#1: k & n typhoon induction Author: Kersh, Location: Bridgnorth, Nr WolverhamptonPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:22 pm ---- Hi everyone!
I bought another 206 recently. Upgraded to a gti. It came with a k and n typhoon induction and a magnex cat back already fitted.
Basically I wanted to know if the induction is damaging the engine or sapping power as I've heard bad things said on here about cones on 206s.
Although it does sound amazing so if its not making any improvement but also no losses ill leave it on!
Cheers
#2: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: ReeVo, Location: HullPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:55 pm ---- The typhoon is top of the range, although cones can cause some power losses due to sucking hot air in from the engine, I would expect gains from the typhoon model, especially considering they are about £250.
#3: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Quarmbo, Location: Bristol & LeicesterPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:41 am ---- There's a direct cold air feed to it isn't there? If so, it should be ok.
#4: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:32 am ---- Cone filters are well known for losing power, best bet is the standard air box with a pannel filter.
#5: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Kersh, Location: Bridgnorth, Nr WolverhamptonPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:35 am ---- yeah its down by the wheel arch. its proper low though with just a sort of cloth cover on it. surely this gets so much water exposure
#6: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: sniper1, Location: Warwickshire for home-london for workPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:12 am ---- while we are on the subject.....how does the 180 engine cope with and inclosed induction kit?
#7: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:18 am ---- Anyone who knows anything about performance will tell you induction kits are sh*t, i had one on my 180 for about a week and it lost all its low end pull, sounded good but thats it, standard airbox and pannel filter is the best thing for performance, other than ITB's but thats a bit over the top.
#8: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: sniper1, Location: Warwickshire for home-london for workPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:22 am ---- cheers rich
#9: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Golfguy206, Location: PeterboroughPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:49 am ---- you see my opiniion differs.
ENCLOSED induction with a good direct air feed will give you beeter performance over a panel filter with standard ducting any day.
The standard ducting goes through so many different twists and turns that the air flow gets slowed down.
The Typhoon system is good if it has an enclosure around the filter and a good direct air feed.
#10: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:53 am ----
Golfguy206 wrote:
you see my opiniion differs.
ENCLOSED induction with a good direct air feed will give you beeter performance over a panel filter with standard ducting any day.
The standard ducting goes through so many different twists and turns that the air flow gets slowed down.
The Typhoon system is good if it has an enclosure around the filter and a good direct air feed.
Well there's only one way to find out..................FIGHT!!!
#11: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:12 am ---- Depends what induction kit to be fair, carbon fibre air boxes or cf pipes like the typhoon are much better then a standard air box witha filter, on my gti you can clearly see an improvement in all gears, if you just slam a cone filter in the engine bay then its a different story.
#12: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:23 am ---- I also used an open pipe with a bit of gauze covering it with a cold air feed and that was crap too, so i dont really see how an iduction kit can be better.....if i did buy an iduction kit i would buy and enclosed unit rather than an open cone. But this is one of those things people are never actually going to agree on.......its down to personal preference.
There is a RR day that someone did in a magazine with a clio 172 testing different induction kits (including a pannel filter) and all the induction kits made the car lose power and with the pannel filter it ran what it should do, i cant remeber what the mag is but im sure if you search google you will find it.
#13: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: AndyP, Location: WirralPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:30 am ---- Ive got a Pipercross Viper fitted to my '53 GTi and from the current experience this specific C.A.I. does improve performance, pulls harder and feels alot less strangled from 4500 to the limiter. Lower down I've not noticed a drop in performance apart from when initially mashing it at very low revs e.g. 1500, after that it starts to come on song more the higher you rev...
Its quite inkeeping with the engine character as all the real go is at the top end on the 138 GTi, get it revving and it flys...sounds racier too lol
Have tried the Typhoon before the Viper on mine but sold it, partly as if it rained (which it has alot recently!) I cant undo the piping in a hurry, where as at the min I can just unclip the ducting from the filter inlet until later. Does make a nice noise on full throttle though!
#14: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Kersh, Location: Bridgnorth, Nr WolverhamptonPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:36 am ---- why would you need to undo the piping when it rains? the typhhon has a drycharger to prevent rain from getting into it, grnated it wont stop a ford or floods but it does work in the rain.
#15: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:38 am ----
Kersh wrote:
why would you need to undo the piping when it rains? the typhhon has a drycharger to prevent rain from getting into it, grnated it wont stop a ford or floods but it does work in the rain.
Whats a dry charger?? A jacket?
#16: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Kersh, Location: Bridgnorth, Nr WolverhamptonPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:45 am ----
Big_Rich180 wrote:
Kersh wrote:
why would you need to undo the piping when it rains? the typhhon has a drycharger to prevent rain from getting into it, grnated it wont stop a ford or floods but it does work in the rain.
#17: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:46 am ---- Must be a bit of a p**s take to put that on while its raining though..or does it stay on all the time?
#18: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Kersh, Location: Bridgnorth, Nr WolverhamptonPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:50 am ---- stays on all the time, doesnt reduce airflow apparently so it just sits over the filter. definitely works as it absolutley pounded it down the other day and i was caught out in it. didnt take in any water so its a thumbs up from me
#19: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:51 am ----
Kersh wrote:
stays on all the time, doesnt reduce airflow apparently so it just sits over the filter. definitely works as it absolutley pounded it down the other day and i was caught out in it. didnt take in any water so its a thumbs up from me
So (not aiming this at you) why didnt they just sell it with that on if it doesnt make any difference to performance.
#20: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Kersh, Location: Bridgnorth, Nr WolverhamptonPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:52 am ---- they do. it comes in the kit. which is why i was unsure as to why that guy was on about unclipping it in the rain
#21: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: hotham15, Location: AberdeenPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:07 am ---- If your worried about the typhoon tube heatin up try this www.206info.co.uk/Foru...9735.html.
I had a standard air box with a pannel filter and now the typhoon. The typhoon sorted out a couple of dead spot between 3000-4000 and just after 4000. I didn't notice any pulling issues at lower RPM as Big_Rich 180 stated.
#22: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:13 am ----
I had a standard air box with a pannel filter and now the typhoon. The typhoon sorted out a couple of dead spot between 3000-4000 and just after 4000. I didn't notice any pulling issues at lower RPM as Big_Rich 180 stated.
I didnt state anything about a K&N Typhoon.
#23: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: hotham15, Location: AberdeenPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:27 am ----
Big_Rich180 wrote:
Anyone who knows anything about performance will tell you induction kits are sh*t, i had one on my 180 for about a week and it lost all its low end pull, sounded good but thats it, standard airbox and pannel filter is the best thing for performance, other than ITB's but thats a bit over the top.
My mistake. You said induction kit and the typhoon is an induction kit. Quite popular an thats what I thought!!
#24: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:30 am ----
hotham15 wrote:
Big_Rich180 wrote:
Anyone who knows anything about performance will tell you induction kits are sh*t, i had one on my 180 for about a week and it lost all its low end pull, sounded good but thats it, standard airbox and pannel filter is the best thing for performance, other than ITB's but thats a bit over the top.
My mistake. You said induction kit and the typhoon is an induction kit. Quite popular an thats what I thought!!
I was telling about an experiance i had with an induction kit, last time a subject like this came up people hated induction kits and now people seem to like them , either way the original poster has 2 sides of an argument to help (or not) him decide what he wants to do.
#25: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Kersh, Location: Bridgnorth, Nr WolverhamptonPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:44 am ---- and very helpful it is!! i think im going to stick with it for now. seems that it has no real benefits or issues other than the improvement in sound but as it cost me nothing and is already fitted ill leave it on.
#26: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:46 am ----
Kersh wrote:
and very helpful it is!! i think im going to stick with it for now. seems that it has no real benefits or issues other than the improvement in sound but as it cost me nothing and is already fitted ill leave it on.
If is cost you nothing and its already fitted then its probably the best idea to leave it on, saves messing around
#27: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: AndyP, Location: WirralPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:14 am ----
Kersh wrote:
they do. it comes in the kit. which is why i was unsure as to why that guy was on about unclipping it in the rain
Missed that detail out, mine didnt come with a dry charger (2nd hand kit) and at £35 to buy one i just sold the kit on after a day. No such thing with the Pipercross though, just the inlet trumpet..
#28: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:38 pm ---- I like the fact the pipercross is enclosed but i still wouldnt have either.
#29: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: DUBLINHITMAN, Location: IRELANDPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:49 pm ---- I stuck a k&n cone on the other day
fook me the induction roar is serious
but after a little run on a private road
it felt a little hot
but that's because it was just stuck on
I'm going to invest in the typhoon by k&n
or the itg inclosed air box thingy
I couldn't see the 180gti listed thou would the normal gti fit the 180 ??
#30: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Sparx206xsi, Location: South LondonPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:49 am ---- Hey guys. Ive got a typhoon kit boxed and ready to be fitted. Jus wanted to know if its an improvement over the standard air system? I've got a 03 xsi 1.6 16v and have heard it improves rev response majorly as the stock set up is very restrictive. I'm not expecting mass bhp increase but a quicker, smoother ride would be nice. What do you guys think/know?
#31: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:51 am ----
DUBLINHITMAN wrote:
I couldn't see the 180gti listed thou would the normal gti fit the 180 ??
Smart people use a decent panel filter in the factory airbox
#32: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: ej2_sir, Location: DerbyPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:47 am ---- Induction kits do pretty much nothing. I find it outrageous that people are prepared to spend 250 quid on a noise and usually a drop in performance?? Why not put the money towards a cam/s, 421 Equal length manifold or something that will actually net some real power gains? N/a tuning is not cheap so why throw money away?
#33: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Sparx206xsi, Location: South LondonPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:28 pm ---- I do find it hard to believe they do nothing. The stock intake on the 206 is known for being very restricted. The air has to travel through an intake hose above the left wheel arch, an air box (which is known to collect water and effect performance), through a little bit more piping that leads to the larger air box with the panel filter in and then the last bit of piping until finally it reaches the combustion chamber. The link below shows part of what I'm talking about.
And changing that wont improve the cars performance at all Even if jus a bit quicker through the revs
#34: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: ej2_sir, Location: DerbyPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:00 am ---- Peugeot designed it this way for a reason. Without starting a massive debate, restriction is not the only factor in induction. Areas like ambient temperatures and pulse length tuning also come into play. The last quote "Even if its just a bit quicker through the revs" sums it up really, £250 for something that generally gives torque loss and probably 2bhp top end. As said previously I know where id be spending the cash.......
#35: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Sparx206xsi, Location: South LondonPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:53 pm ---- Peugeot have to take into consideration noise, fuel economy, performance and many other factors that they spend money on. This I agree on, only problem is to tick all these boxes Peugeot have to find a middle ground if that makes sense. I jus want my engine to 'breathe' better then it already does. I still think putting your foot down and the revs responding quicker and picking up speed is a plus and its a mod most people can do themselves. The mods you quoted before I'm not even sure about ("Why not put the money towards a cam/s, 421 Equal length manifold"). What are they, are they expensive mods and do they need to be done by a professional mechanic? Sorry loads of questions but I'm still learning myself lol
#36: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: 138Andy, Location: NottsPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:56 pm ---- they look nicer than the standard airbox with a k&n filter but for little or no gain its pointless unless you plan on parking up out side mc d's with your bonnet up
#37: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Sparx206xsi, Location: South LondonPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:04 pm ---- That actually made me smile Andy. I wont be lifting my bonnet lol. We'll see how it goes. I'll give you guys some feed back once the suns back out and I can actually fit it.
#38: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: ej2_sir, Location: DerbyPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:40 am ---- Mods i listed are no more expensive than the typhoon kit. A good 4/2/1 exhaust manifold should net you around 4/6bhp for approx 200 quid. Easy to fit yourself. Aftermarket camshafts will probably be around 300 but will yield around 10/15 bhp. Not so easy to fit unless your relatively competent.
#39: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: Sparx206xsi, Location: South LondonPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:25 am ---- Thanks for the feedback EJ. I've currently got a powerflow stainless steel exhaust system fitted, dont know if you guys rate them but looks, sounds and pulls very nice. Might look into the Camshaft upgrade when I get some extra money
#40: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: ramigojag, Location: worcestershirePosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:43 am ----
ej2_sir wrote:
Mods i listed are no more expensive than the typhoon kit. A good 4/2/1 exhaust manifold should net you around 4/6bhp for approx 200 quid. Easy to fit yourself. Aftermarket camshafts will probably be around 300 but will yield around 10/15 bhp. Not so easy to fit unless your relatively competent.
i would have thought some decent cams would be more like triple that price
#41: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: ej2_sir, Location: DerbyPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:05 pm ----
ramigojag wrote:
ej2_sir wrote:
Mods i listed are no more expensive than the typhoon kit. A good 4/2/1 exhaust manifold should net you around 4/6bhp for approx 200 quid. Easy to fit yourself. Aftermarket camshafts will probably be around 300 but will yield around 10/15 bhp. Not so easy to fit unless your relatively competent.
i would have thought some decent cams would be more like triple that price
Granted there reprofile and not blanks but at 210 quid they will offer alot better £ to bhp ratio than an air filter.
Your powerflow system will be ok.... Generally there not the best for maximum power as the bends in the system are rarely mandrel bent. However in an exhaust system, your real power increase comes from a good manifold
#42: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: gaffa786, Location: 2 Places at oncePosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:10 pm ---- what difference would a k&n panel filter make in my car if i replace it with my standard filter?
is there a need ?
#43: Re: k & n typhoon induction Author: ej2_sir, Location: DerbyPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:22 pm ---- Nope no need at all. Apart from rather than buying a new paper filter every time you can wash/re oil the K&N. Any gains you get will be very minimal. Dont expect miracles....
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, either way the original poster has 2 sides of an argument to help (or not) him decide what he wants to do.
Even if jus a bit quicker through the revs 
