#1: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lewis1600, Location: AngleseyPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:44 am ---- Morning all,
Right really need some help...
I used to own a 206 hdi.. then the clutch went so I swapped it for a astra mk4..
Now I want to get a 206 GTi but Im not if I want slightly senible and get a GTi or go all out and get a 180...
Insurance is only £100 difference...
Whats the MPG like on a 180??
and are they much quicker??
Any help thank you
Lewis.
#2: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:46 am ---- Lewis, there are quite a few threads already about the difference between 138's and 180's.
And what they are like to run & own.
#3: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lewis1600, Location: AngleseyPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:51 am ---- Any links please?
Ive tried searching
#4: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:02 am ---- My vote goes to a 180.
Get a 138 & after a few months you'll be wishing that you got a 180.
#5: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:02 am ----
Lewis1600 wrote:
Morning all,
Right really need some help...
I used to own a 206 hdi.. then the clutch went so I swapped it for a astra mk4..
Now I want to get a 206 GTi but Im not if I want slightly senible and get a GTi or go all out and get a 180...
#6: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lewis1600, Location: AngleseyPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:03 am ---- Thank you :D
#7: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:09 am ---- Obviously there are more posts about it, but that is the first that I remembered
#8: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lewis1600, Location: AngleseyPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:17 am ---- Thanks...
Seems like the gti would be the best option really...
cheaper to buy and insure....
hmmmmm... if i see a cheao 180 then its a different story lol
#9: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Danny., Location: PeterboroughPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:29 am ----
Lewis1600 wrote:
Thanks...
Seems like the gti would be the best option really...
cheaper to buy and insure....
hmmmmm... if i see a cheao 180 then its a different story lol
Did you not read that topic then...
The 180 is a far better car.... You can do alot more with it and by the time you got the 138 to the same standard a 180 is you may as well brought 2 180...
#10: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: LilLew, Location: PlymouthPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:57 am ---- 180 all the way
#11: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:17 am ----
Danny224 wrote:
...
You can do alot more with it and by the time you got the 138 to the same standard a 180 is you may as well brought 2 180...
You can do less with the 180 in terms of modifying it.
You wouldn't just tune a 138 to 180 spec though, you'd go further.
In short if you want to keep standard then buy a 180, if you want to modify then buy the 138.
#12: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Kersh, Location: Bridgnorth, Nr WolverhamptonPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:59 am ---- they are 42 different
#13: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: DJ-, Location: UKPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:07 am ----
Kersh wrote:
they are 42 different
lol nice joke mate
#14: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:23 am ---- had a gti got a gt, driven a few 180s the 180 wins hands down in handling, it has more poke and the interior is so much nicer, if your not like me and with insurance being a issue there is no reason to get a normal gti,
#15: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:27 am ---- ed makes a good point tho 138 is more tunable, but 180s are very cheap now, if you can afford it go for a 180, there not much faster if thats all your after but like i said inside is alot better, mpg is noticeably worse ive heard not owned one so couldnt judge that aspect from experience
#16: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:00 am ---- I've had both the 138 and the 180.
They were both reasonably cheap to keep.
The 180 is by far the best, but having a louder exhaust (Janspeed) it was not as enjoyable on long motorway journeys. Fast country roads make up for this though!
The 138 was more economical (mine was remapped to 141bhp) - 33-35mpg, whilst my 180 did 27-30mpg.
The 180 rewards you every mile you drive though.
If you can afford to run the 180 you're unlikely to regret it.
Tuning a 138 to 200bhp won't change the fact that the gears and steering aren't as good as on the 180. You'll need upgraded suspension, brakes, and probably seats too. Then there's the ESP to consider.
Would it be worth it? Especially come resale time. Unlikely.
#17: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:07 am ----
Kersh wrote:
they are 42 different
No they aren't, because a GTi180 is about 165-170 bhp
Plus they were never meant to be 180bhp, they were 177
#18: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:21 am ---- 206info.co.uk/Forums/v...19810.html worth a shot lol 180 any day of the week
#19: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: imjeeves, Location: Glasgow / WellingPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:23 am ---- I think that the 180 blows the gti away. Its styling is spot on along with the extra power as standard. You would spend you £100 modifying the gti and still not be anywhere near a 180 performance. The seats are great in the 180 as well. V nice car. I have one in my drive.... cant afford to insure it as a second car but even just sitting in it makes me feel great
#20: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lewis1600, Location: AngleseyPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:07 am ---- Obviously the 180 is a better car.. but Im not looking for anything really fast and to spend loads on..
End of the day im 19 years old.. so a GTi would be ideal for me.
A nice confy car with a bit of grunt in it.
Ive looked at the prices of both in everyway, and the GTi would be the better option i think.
But If I see a decent cheap 180 then Ill deffo go for it, thanks
#21: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:08 am ----
Antix wrote:
Tuning a 138 to 200bhp won't change the fact that the gears and steering aren't as good as on the 180. You'll need upgraded suspension, brakes, and probably seats too. Then there's the ESP to consider.
The gearing on the 180 is taller overall therefore isn't as good...there's nothing wrong with the steering on the 138...the 180 steering is hardly full of feel.
if going for 200bhp+ you'd be changing the suspension to something far better than the 180 setup while 180 brakes on the 138 are perfectly adequate. Nothing wrong with the 138 GTi seats and ESP isn't needed on such cars as it takes the skill away from driving them hard...
#22: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lewis1600, Location: AngleseyPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:29 am ----
Edward wrote:
Antix wrote:
Tuning a 138 to 200bhp won't change the fact that the gears and steering aren't as good as on the 180. You'll need upgraded suspension, brakes, and probably seats too. Then there's the ESP to consider.
The gearing on the 180 is taller overall therefore isn't as good...there's nothing wrong with the steering on the 138...the 180 steering is hardly full of feel.
if going for 200bhp+ you'd be changing the suspension to something far better than the 180 setup while 180 brakes on the 138 are perfectly adequate. Nothing wrong with the 138 GTi seats and ESP isn't needed on such cars as it takes the skill away from driving them hard...
Well said tbh lol!
#23: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:37 am ----
Lewis1600 wrote:
Obviously the 180 is a better car.. but Im not looking for anything really fast and to spend loads on..
End of the day im 19 years old.. so a GTi would be ideal for me.
A nice confy car with a bit of grunt in it.
Ive looked at the prices of both in everyway, and the GTi would be the better option i think.
But If I see a decent cheap 180 then Ill deffo go for it, thanks
Well said tbh lol!
#24: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:52 am ----
Lewis1600 wrote:
Well said tbh lol!
If your such an expert, why did you make the thread in the first place? & Edward sounds just a tad biased going by his sig don't you think? At the end of the day it's your choice, but standard 180 v's standard gti, the 180 is the better car, end of story.
#25: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lewis1600, Location: AngleseyPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:20 am ----
E5GDM wrote:
Lewis1600 wrote:
Well said tbh lol!
If your such an expert, why did you make the thread in the first place? & Edward sounds just a tad biased going by his sig don't you think? At the end of the day it's your choice, but standard 180 v's standard gti, the 180 is the better car, end of story.
Yes 'cause I said Im an expert on 206's......
I made the thread asking are they much quicker and whats the MPG on the 180 if you would read it properly,
And obviously the 180 is a better car end of.
I never said it wasnt.
But like ive said previously, the GTi is the better choice as there isnt much between personaly.
#26: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:32 am ---- Drive both a 138 and 180.
See the difference, then decide if either car is what you want
#27: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lewis1600, Location: AngleseyPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:36 am ----
Antix wrote:
Drive both a 138 and 180.
See the difference, then decide if either car is what you want
Seems like the best idea haha!
Ill shall be looking round for some soon
cant wait to get a GTi* lol!
#28: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:59 am ----
Lewis1600 wrote:
E5GDM wrote:
Lewis1600 wrote:
Well said tbh lol!
If your such an expert, why did you make the thread in the first place? & Edward sounds just a tad biased going by his sig don't you think? At the end of the day it's your choice, but standard 180 v's standard gti, the 180 is the better car, end of story.
Yes 'cause I said Im an expert on 206's......
I made the thread asking are they much quicker and whats the MPG on the 180 if you would read it properly,
And obviously the 180 is a better car end of.
I never said it wasnt.
But like ive said previously, the GTi is the better choice as there isnt much between personaly.
So why agree with Edward if you think the 180 is 'obviously a better car'? Judging by your lower spec & performing astra & you now opting for a lower spec & performing 206 can you really insure a 180, or are you dreaming?
#29: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: rttam, Location: devonPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:02 am ---- read these kinda threads before and it always seems to be people with gti 138's that say the 180 isnt better noone with a 180 ever says dont bother get a normal gti that should tell you something
i knoooooow that the 180 isnt that much faster iv heard it a million times before its getting boring now but tbh i tested both before i bought mine and knew if i didnt get the 180 id always wish i had.
its not just about the power they are more comfortable have a few more extras looks are a bit more agressive and feel a lot more sure footed true there isnt a great deal of difference between the two but if you can find a reasonably priced 180 and the insurance isnt a problem do it
iv had mine for 3 and a half years now done 45k in it and loved every second of it and have no intentions what so ever to sell up any time soon
#30: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:54 am ---- It's like choosing between these 2 women, this one will be cheaper to get & look after & will probably do everything you want in the real world. You can then justify your choice by saying there's more room for modification & through rose tinted glasses you can even say she doesnt need fancy fittings, let's call her 138
But if you were told this one looks & does things even only slightly better, lets call her 180, why wouldn't you go for her unless you knew you couldn't really afford or handle her?
#31: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: mattymj, Location: NorfolkPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:05 am ---- I have the 180 and tbh they aren't to bad to run. Test them both and see what you think. On paper the differences aren't huge but do you do 0-60s everyday of the week? I love mine because of the way it drives/handles/steers and brakes. GRP 17 insurance may cause you issues though. Get that checked 1st too before anything else. May put an abrupt end to your dilemma
#32: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:12 am ----
mattymj wrote:
GRP 17 insurance may cause you issues though
It will do as the GTI 180 isnt group 17 any more
Times have changed it's now group 34 out of 50
Normal GTI is group 28
#33: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: mattymj, Location: NorfolkPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:14 am ---- Oh! I didn't realise it had changed, guess that's why a pay £285 a year hehe
#34: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:16 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
mattymj wrote:
GRP 17 insurance may cause you issues though
It will do as the GTI 180 isnt group 17 any more
Times have changed it's now group 34 out of 50
Normal GTI is group 28
Not every insurance company uses the 50-group scheme.
Direct Line (for example) have their own grouping system
#35: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:31 am ----
Personally i prefer to manage it like a normal condom and a ribbed condom
One will see you through the job, but the other one adds a little bit more to the fun
Compared to the plain in which you will need to try harder to get the same effect
#36: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Ash, Location: Running from Ant and Lee and Adam...........Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:34 am ----
addaz wrote:
:rofl:
Personally i prefer to manage it like a normal condom and a ribbed condom
One will see you through the job, but the other one adds a little bit more to the fun
Compared to the plain in which you will need to try harder to get the same effect
Shame you've used neither
#37: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:36 am ----
Ash wrote:
addaz wrote:
:rofl:
Personally i prefer to manage it like a normal condom and a ribbed condom
One will see you through the job, but the other one adds a little bit more to the fun
Compared to the plain in which you will need to try harder to get the same effect
Shame you've used neither
You got told Adam
#38: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:58 am ----
Ash wrote:
addaz wrote:
:rofl:
Personally i prefer to manage it like a normal condom and a ribbed condom
One will see you through the job, but the other one adds a little bit more to the fun
Compared to the plain in which you will need to try harder to get the same effect
Shame you've used neither
Want to bet your car on that?
#39: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:24 pm ----
Edward wrote:
Antix wrote:
Tuning a 138 to 200bhp won't change the fact that the gears and steering aren't as good as on the 180. You'll need upgraded suspension, brakes, and probably seats too. Then there's the ESP to consider.
The gearing on the 180 is taller overall therefore isn't as good...there's nothing wrong with the steering on the 138...the 180 steering is hardly full of feel.
if going for 200bhp+ you'd be changing the suspension to something far better than the 180 setup while 180 brakes on the 138 are perfectly adequate. Nothing wrong with the 138 GTi seats and ESP isn't needed on such cars as it takes the skill away from driving them hard...
i agree with everything there apart from the seats, 90% have old cracked leather its not a good look, 180s are better handling but tbh my old gti on coils was better then a standard 180, engine and interior are worth the extra cost tho if you dont plan on some extra power and you can afford to
#40: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:28 pm ----
E5GDM wrote:
& Edward sounds just a tad biased going by his sig don't you think?
The 180 is the better car as it should be, after all it came out 4 years after the 138. It wasn't 4 years better though. It's still a 206 and has the same compromises. Remember, the 180 never got rave reviews...poor driving position, uncommunicative steering, clunky gearchange, soft brake pedal etc...it's got them all.
As I always say if you want a standard car buy the 180 but it's not worth paying a premium over a 138 if you want to modify it as you'll be removing most of the extras that make the 180.
I wonder if the 180 would have been called the 170 if rumours Clio 182 hadn't been heard about...
#41: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:31 pm ----
rttam wrote:
read these kinda threads before and it always seems to be people with gti 138's that say the 180 isnt better noone with a 180 ever says dont bother get a normal gti that should tell you something
i knoooooow that the 180 isnt that much faster iv heard it a million times before its getting boring now but tbh i tested both before i bought mine and knew if i didnt get the 180 id always wish i had.
its not just about the power they are more comfortable have a few more extras looks are a bit more agressive and feel a lot more sure footed true there isnt a great deal of difference between the two but if you can find a reasonably priced 180 and the insurance isnt a problem do it
iv had mine for 3 and a half years now done 45k in it and loved every second of it and have no intentions what so ever to sell up any time soon
comfortable they are not, much harder ride the seats look nicer but there no more comfy, i would have a 180 over a 138 its not a contest tbh but when insurance comes into it its a different story, all that aside 180 ftw
#42: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:38 pm ---- So much jealousy & animosity from 138 owners, the 180 is at least 25% more powerful, better spec'd, & better handling. 138 owners would probably have voted for Russia over England too.
#43: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: t110jim, Location: invernessPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:25 pm ---- This tread is turning into a mines bigger than yours thread. I have had 2 gti 138s and a 180 second 138 was much better than first but maybe not as fast however 180 was by far the best overall. fuel consumption about 3 mpg different, better handling it was scary how fast you could go round corners and brakes were much better but you have to learn how to get the best out of it good luck with you decision.
#44: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:04 pm ---- end of the day the 180 is better but the gti aint far off at all the handling is the main difference but a good set of coils can sort that, its reason i got a gt not worth the extra insurance as its not fast enought to warrant the extra cost, but 180s are better Last edited by no_offences on Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:02 pm; edited 1 time in total
#45: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: t110jim, Location: invernessPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:21 pm ---- What do i know I only drove 206 gtis for 10 years in various guises
#46: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:23 pm ----
no_offences wrote:
to be honest its you with animosity, i admit 180s are better,but you can surpass a 180 for less then it cost to buy a gti and a few upgrades, you can pick up a gti for 800 now and 180s are at least 3k there not worth 3 times as much and thats a fact.
reality check please: 180's can be bought for £2000. They fetch more money because they were made from 2003, whereas a GTi 137 was made from 1999.
2003 GTi's can be bought for £1200+, so the extra £800 for a 180 is worth it (engine, interior, brakes, wheels, trim).
Obviously all values depend on condition and mileage.
#47: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:25 pm ----
E5GDM wrote:
So much jealousy & animosity from 138 owners, the 180 is at least 25% more powerful, better spec'd, & better handling. 138 owners would probably have voted for Russia over England too.
Are you saying I'm jealous of a GTi 180?
#48: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:30 pm ----
Antix wrote:
no_offences wrote:
to be honest its you with animosity, i admit 180s are better,but you can surpass a 180 for less then it cost to buy a gti and a few upgrades, you can pick up a gti for 800 now and 180s are at least 3k there not worth 3 times as much and thats a fact.
reality check please: 180's can be bought for £2000. They fetch more money because they were made from 2003, whereas a GTi 137 was made from 1999.
2003 GTi's can be bought for £1200+, so the extra £800 for a 180 is worth it (engine, interior, brakes, wheels, trim).
Obviously all values depend on condition and mileage.
even only the 180 interior already worth 500 quid lol
#49: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:32 pm ----
Edward wrote:
E5GDM wrote:
So much jealousy & animosity from 138 owners, the 180 is at least 25% more powerful, better spec'd, & better handling. 138 owners would probably have voted for Russia over England too.
Are you saying I'm jealous of a GTi 180?
You are not a GTi 138 owner anymore
#50: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:37 pm ---- pffft insurance is a breeze mate i insured my for a lot when i was 18 but when i was 19 it went down to £1500 some may consider a lot but it really isent lol..... 180 for the win
#51: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Iain, Location: Aberdeen, ScotlandPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:38 pm ---- My 180 averages about 33 mpg right now, not bad at all IMO.
The driving position isn't great for long journeys to be honest, and the build quality still leaves plenty to be desired. I did find the gearbox to be better than the 138, although still not great. But how many French gearbox's are...?
But anyway whoever started this, do you want to modify your car performance wise, or do you want to keep it standard?
Also, do you have to get another 206? I doubt I'll be getting another.
#52: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:44 pm ----
Antix wrote:
You are not a GTi 138 owner anymore
Looks like a 138 so it must be a 138....
#53: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:47 pm ----
Edward wrote:
Antix wrote:
You are not a GTi 138 owner anymore
Looks like a 138 so it must be a 138....
Bet it doesn't sound like a 138. Spike's didn't.
#54: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lee., Location: Blackwood, South WalesPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:25 pm ---- What I don't get is camp 138 saying buy a 138 and mod so you have same power as 180 but less to insure. So I take it there's alot of illegally modded 138's out there who haven't told insurers that there cars are modded? Because modding plays havoc with insurance so surely your better off paying the premium for a 180 anyway?!
#55: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: MEGA, Location: Harrow, LondonPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:28 pm ----
Lee. wrote:
What I don't get is camp 138 saying buy a 138 and mod so you have same power as 180 but less to insure. So I take it there's alot of illegally modded 138's out there who haven't told insurers that there cars are modded? Because modding plays havoc with insurance so surely your better off paying the premium for a 180 anyway?!
Or get a properly fast hatch like a Type R or Cupra R if you are so het up about BHP figures...
#56: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: vanman_foci, Location: Barry, South WalesPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:31 pm ----
Edward wrote:
Antix wrote:
You are not a GTi 138 owner anymore
Looks like a 138 so it must be a 138....
OMG it's not in the garage!
#57: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Iain, Location: Aberdeen, ScotlandPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:33 pm ----
MEGA wrote:
Lee. wrote:
What I don't get is camp 138 saying buy a 138 and mod so you have same power as 180 but less to insure. So I take it there's alot of illegally modded 138's out there who haven't told insurers that there cars are modded? Because modding plays havoc with insurance so surely your better off paying the premium for a 180 anyway?!
Or get a properly fast hatch like a Type R or Cupra R if you are so het up about BHP figures...
They're a tad more expensive. I think they're the 'next step' if you will. Well that's how it is for me
#58: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lee., Location: Blackwood, South WalesPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:40 pm ----
MEGA wrote:
Lee. wrote:
What I don't get is camp 138 saying buy a 138 and mod so you have same power as 180 but less to insure. So I take it there's alot of illegally modded 138's out there who haven't told insurers that there cars are modded? Because modding plays havoc with insurance so surely your better off paying the premium for a 180 anyway?!
Or get a properly fast hatch like a Type R or Cupra R if you are so het up about BHP figures...
If I'm so het up on BHP? I was merely commenting that it's not as simple as:
Buy 138
Mod for more power
Now I am similar to/faster than 180 for less.
It doesn't work like that. Simply because the insurance rapes you for power mods so those wanting to save money insuring a 180 have completely defeated the object!
#59: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:02 pm ---- No matter what's done to a 138 it will always be the poor relation of the 180. After all, how many 138 replica 180's are there out there?
#60: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: MEGA, Location: Harrow, LondonPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:47 am ----
Lee. wrote:
MEGA wrote:
Lee. wrote:
What I don't get is camp 138 saying buy a 138 and mod so you have same power as 180 but less to insure. So I take it there's alot of illegally modded 138's out there who haven't told insurers that there cars are modded? Because modding plays havoc with insurance so surely your better off paying the premium for a 180 anyway?!
Or get a properly fast hatch like a Type R or Cupra R if you are so het up about BHP figures...
If I'm so het up on BHP? I was merely commenting that it's not as simple as:
Buy 138
Mod for more power
Now I am similar to/faster than 180 for less.
It doesn't work like that. Simply because the insurance rapes you for power mods so those wanting to save money insuring a 180 have completely defeated the object!
I hear you.
clearly the people with the attitude you refer to, are driving around on fraudulent insurance.
All well and good till someone hits their car, completely not their fault AT ALL.. But the insurance refuse to pay out..
#61: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: kieron, Location: in the housePosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:59 am ---- my dads bigger than your dad!
#62: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: lofty, Location: Near ManchesterPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:50 am ---- Ah this old topic..
First off, it always makes me smile how bitter 180 owners can be. Heres my reasoning:
My 138 was purchased after I weighed up every different angle on buying my car or plumping for the 180.
I looked at the price on the forecourt, fuel costs, insurance and maintenance and decided that for the extra £3200 on top for the 180, it just wasn't worth the extra expense.
In my opinion there are half the number of people who bought the 180 are level headed as mentioned above. The other half seem to be young, influenced Vin Diesel's who simply want the best (or what they think is the best) for their Dollar/Powaaaaah ratio. Oh and lets mention those infamous 180 seats, and spoiler and fake carbon trim all sat on a 138. You can't polish a turd but Peugeot can fancify a 206 and you guys fell for it.
Given the choice? Of course I would have a 180 but only at around the same cost of a 138 - which, lets face it is an awesome little car for around a grand these days. I wouldn't want to pay less than around £3500 if I was looking at a 180 now.
I've seen this topic so many times as have the older members. Please can we kill it off for good?
L
#63: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:13 am ---- I just dont get people on here, get a Gti and mod it so it is a fast as a 180?? Whats the point, just buy which ever one your buget suits and shut up/be happy with it.
this thread reminds me of all the honda civic noobs on youtube saying "a civic is better than a supra because when you mod it its faster". its all bulls**t, the 138 and 180 are a different driving experiance, the 180 handles better and is faster as a standard car and feels more involving in the drive, the 138 is nicer to drive around day to day because you arnt crashing through pot holes as bad, Is it that much better than a 138......no if you want something that is much better get an evo or Ferrari or even better a turbo'd EK9.........
The 180 is a better car...simple.
#64: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:24 am ---- Who said people should buy a 138 and modify it to 180 levels? It's not worth it.
If anybody wants to go to town and do everything. i.e. TB's, cams, headwork etc it's better to do it to the 138.
#65: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:08 am ----
Edward wrote:
If anybody wants to go to town and do everything. i.e. TB's, cams, headwork etc it's better to do it to the 138.
I agree - 180's are too rare [relatively-speaking]
(in the UK - 12404 GTi 138's vs. 2528 GTi 180's, Sept '09 figures)
#66: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:17 am ---- They are rare because everybody else knew to buy something better.
#67: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:55 am ----
lofty wrote:
First off, it always makes me smile how bitter 180 owners can be. Heres my reasoning:
I looked at the price on the forecourt, fuel costs, insurance and maintenance and decided that for the extra £3200 on top for the 180, it just wasn't worth the extra expense.
lets mention those infamous 180 seats, and spoiler and fake carbon trim all sat on a 138 ( I presume you mean 180) You can't polish a turd but Peugeot can fancify a 206 and you guys fell for it. Given the choice? Of course I would have a 180 but only at around the same cost of a 138 - which, lets face it is an awesome little car for around a grand these days. I wouldn't want to pay less than around £3500 if I was looking at a 180 now
A bit confussing in places, first you choose a 138 then you ultimately say if you had a choice you'd have the 180 (the polished turd us 180 owners fell for) . Then you moaned about the 180 costing £3200 more (was that from brand new?), but would now want to pay £2500 more for a 180 over the 138 . Whats your car worth now then? As by your reckoning a mint 138 on an 03 is worth about £500 tops?
Did make me laugh though how you 'older members' have seen it all before but still posted on a topic you want to 'kill off'!
#68: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:02 am ----
Edward wrote:
They are rare because everybody else knew to buy something better.
Someones after Sillys vacant resident troll position.
#69: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:33 am ---- everyone should clam down...
#70: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:37 am ----
E5GDM wrote:
Edward wrote:
They are rare because everybody else knew to buy something better.
Someones after Sillys vacant resident troll position.
Ironic that you'd mention that
#71: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Ali_H, Location: Chichester, SussexPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:45 pm ---- Well my 180 makes a really good rawr so it's better than anything.
#72: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: lofty, Location: Near ManchesterPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:47 pm ----
E5GDM wrote:
lofty wrote:
First off, it always makes me smile how bitter 180 owners can be. Heres my reasoning:
I looked at the price on the forecourt, fuel costs, insurance and maintenance and decided that for the extra £3200 on top for the 180, it just wasn't worth the extra expense.
lets mention those infamous 180 seats, and spoiler and fake carbon trim all sat on a 138 ( I presume you mean 180) You can't polish a turd but Peugeot can fancify a 206 and you guys fell for it. Given the choice? Of course I would have a 180 but only at around the same cost of a 138 - which, lets face it is an awesome little car for around a grand these days. I wouldn't want to pay less than around £3500 if I was looking at a 180 now
A bit confussing in places, first you choose a 138 then you ultimately say if you had a choice you'd have the 180 (the polished turd us 180 owners fell for) . Then you moaned about the 180 costing £3200 more (was that from brand new?), but would now want to pay £2500 more for a 180 over the 138 . Whats your car worth now then? As by your reckoning a mint 138 on an 03 is worth about £500 tops?
Did make me laugh though how you 'older members' have seen it all before but still posted on a topic you want to 'kill off'!
Really quite aggro aren't you?
Right here goes...
A 180 would have cost me around £3200 more SECOND HAND at the time on probably a 2 year newer plate. On weighing it up for a few days I opted for the gti with the possible intention of 'upgrading' to a 180 after a couple of years. I never did because as many of us have I looked at other, quite frankly better cars for the money.
Since then i have kept the 138 with the intention of running it until it dies and I would now value it at around I dunno, £1400? Who knows.
I would have a 180 FOR THE SAME COST but I would not pay it for basically the same car.
Also to clear it up to you, I would pay £3500 for a nice example of a 180 IF I WAS IN THE MARKET FOR ONE!
I used to be, I bought it, its time to move on to bigger and better things, not the same with some glitter and tassles.
Has this satisfied you?
I think we should all write a paragraph on this, save it into word and when it next raises it ugly head we can all juct copy and paste to our hearts content.
#73: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Ali_H, Location: Chichester, SussexPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:54 pm ----
lofty wrote:
E5GDM wrote:
lofty wrote:
First off, it always makes me smile how bitter 180 owners can be. Heres my reasoning:
I looked at the price on the forecourt, fuel costs, insurance and maintenance and decided that for the extra £3200 on top for the 180, it just wasn't worth the extra expense.
lets mention those infamous 180 seats, and spoiler and fake carbon trim all sat on a 138 ( I presume you mean 180) You can't polish a turd but Peugeot can fancify a 206 and you guys fell for it. Given the choice? Of course I would have a 180 but only at around the same cost of a 138 - which, lets face it is an awesome little car for around a grand these days. I wouldn't want to pay less than around £3500 if I was looking at a 180 now
A bit confussing in places, first you choose a 138 then you ultimately say if you had a choice you'd have the 180 (the polished turd us 180 owners fell for) . Then you moaned about the 180 costing £3200 more (was that from brand new?), but would now want to pay £2500 more for a 180 over the 138 . Whats your car worth now then? As by your reckoning a mint 138 on an 03 is worth about £500 tops?
Did make me laugh though how you 'older members' have seen it all before but still posted on a topic you want to 'kill off'!
Really quite aggro aren't you?
Right here goes...
A 180 would have cost me around £3200 more SECOND HAND at the time on probably a 2 year newer plate. On weighing it up for a few days I opted for the gti with the possible intention of 'upgrading' to a 180 after a couple of years. I never did because as many of us have I looked at other, quite frankly better cars for the money.
Since then i have kept the 138 with the intention of running it until it dies and I would now value it at around I dunno, £1400? Who knows.
I would have a 180 FOR THE SAME COST but I would not pay it for basically the same car.
Also to clear it up to you, I would pay £3500 for a nice example of a 180 IF I WAS IN THE MARKET FOR ONE!
I used to be, I bought it, its time to move on to bigger and better things, not the same with some glitter and tassles.
Has this satisfied you?
I think we should all write a paragraph on this, save it into word and when it next raises it ugly head we can all juct copy and paste to our hearts content.
But the cost at the time is hardly relevant to what the OP asked... this is now not 3 or 4 years ago. As Antix pointed out there's not a massive difference now.
But I do agree this is a boring topic, 180 is better end of, but then it should be.
#74: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: lofty, Location: Near ManchesterPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:58 pm ---- I agree Ali, just stating my own personal reasons for opting for a 138.
If someone offered me a straight swap now I would jump at the chance but a good 180 is always going to cost a fair bit more than a good 138.
RAWR!!
#75: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Ali_H, Location: Chichester, SussexPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:00 pm ----
lofty wrote:
I agree Ali, just stating my own personal reasons for opting for a 138.
If someone offered me a straight swap now I would jump at the chance but a good 180 is always going to cost a fair bit more than a good 138.
RAWR!!
#76: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: |SGP|, Location: Truro/Falmouth, CornwallPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:02 pm ---- So if I bought a 180 and I bought a 138, and tuned them both with the same parts, the 138 would be better?
To tune a 138 to have the same parts as a 180 in order to rival it in all categories (exterior,interior,engine, handling, etc) it would (at the current time) cost more than just buying a 180. also the insurance after modifying would considerably be more than just insuring a 180.
If you want a the best 206, get a 180.
If you want a project car, it really doesn't matter what you buy because it'll be completely different when you're done with it, regardless of what you started with.
If you're on a tight budget, don't go round buying fast cars to play the willy waggling game with your mates. just get a 1.1 and save.
#77: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: t110jim, Location: invernessPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:08 pm ---- lets be honest what is the very best 180 going to cost you £6k its a lot of car for the money
#78: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:08 pm ----
t110jim wrote:
lets be honest what is the very best 180 going to cost you £6k its a lot of car for the money
Who pays £6k for a 180 these days?
#79: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: t110jim, Location: invernessPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:18 pm ---- sold mine in june for this
#81: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lee., Location: Blackwood, South WalesPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:24 pm ----
|SGP| wrote:
6k?! I'm selling up! haha
Snap! Want to get me a 2.8t Pajero SWB lol
#82: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:26 pm ----
t110jim wrote:
lets be honest what is the very best 180 going to cost you £6k its a lot of car for the money
I can think of a lot better cars to spend £6k on then a 206
#83: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: lofty, Location: Near ManchesterPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:37 pm ---- SGP - So its 180 or nothing and the rest of us should drive a 1.1? Riiiiight.
It makes me laugh how much of a difference people think a 180 is. Its a slightly tuned 138, without the gti the 180 would simply not exist so think on when you write off the 138.
6K for a 180 is a joke, like I say I would pay £3500 tops for a decent one if I didn't already own mine. Maybe 2K and my car on trade in but mainly just to get a newer 206 with less miles on.
#84: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lee., Location: Blackwood, South WalesPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:39 pm ---- It's more than a slightly tune GTi though isn't it? It's the whole package taking everything into consideration.
#85: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: t110jim, Location: invernessPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:39 pm ---- Like I said one off the best ones 11k from new and unmarked that was a top figure sure you can get one for a lot less
#86: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: lofty, Location: Near ManchesterPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:41 pm ----
Lee. wrote:
It's more than a slightly tune GTi though isn't it? It's the whole package taking everything into consideration.
Not really mate. Its slightly tuned with some spruced up cosmetics. Worth an extra 2 grand?
#87: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lee., Location: Blackwood, South WalesPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:49 pm ----
lofty wrote:
Lee. wrote:
It's more than a slightly tune GTi though isn't it? It's the whole package taking everything into consideration.
Not really mate. Its slightly tuned with some spruced up cosmetics. Worth an extra 2 grand?
Quoting figures like that is completely pointless. A top end 138 will not be £2k less than a nasty 180 will it?!
#88: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: |SGP|, Location: Truro/Falmouth, CornwallPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:57 pm ---- No, my statement was general, and weighted towards the topic of conversation. Different budgets can afford different cars, and different needs are accounted for when looking at what to buy.
People may buy a diesel because they are sick of paying out for petrol constantly. People may buy a 1.1 when they don't have the cash, or they really dont care about speed/cars in general. People may buy an SW if they need boot space, or a CC to show off their new haircut, etc etc.
But when someone creates a thread asking 'is the 180 faster than the 138?' then obviously, these things don't matter.
Overall its a better car, through and through. there's no arguement, else the car wouldn't exist.
Why buy a GTi? When you want a fast 206 that doesn't break the bank.
Why buy a 180? When you want something faster still.
These days the prices are levelling out a bit, so theoretically, if there was no price difference, why buy a 138 at all?
(Obviously my statement still stands about project cars, thats a different league.)
#89: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: lofty, Location: Near ManchesterPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:31 pm ---- I still disagree as you seem to be saying a 180 is around the same money as a 138 - There really is still a big price difference! Maybe more than double in some cases!
#90: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: glide, Location: march , cambsPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:53 pm ---- well i've gone from a GTI to the 180 recently and i love em both
and the difference's are tiny really -180 bit more power ,slightly harsher ride
engine slightly smoother in the 138, and not as thirsty
seats are much nicer in the 180 , and considering the harder ride it is still comfy......both cars are pocket rockets, and fun to drive
#91: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Iain, Location: Aberdeen, ScotlandPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:32 pm ----
lofty wrote:
I still disagree as you seem to be saying a 180 is around the same money as a 138 - There really is still a big price difference! Maybe more than double in some cases!
Have you looked at the prices? I picked up a 54 plate 180 with 50k miles for £2750 at the start of the year. A similar age/mileage/condition 138 wouldn't be a huge amount less, certainly nowhere near half the price.
I appreciate at the time you bought yours the difference was much larger though.
#92: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: lofty, Location: Near ManchesterPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:05 pm ---- I'm not so sure. A lot of gti's are advertised at around 2k but i've seen countless people on here struggle to sell them for around the 1200 mark! For that difference you could have 3 138's on an X plate for the same cost as a 180 on a 54 reg! (As I said I would pay around 3500 for a 180).
One road car, one track car and one to keep as spares when the other two go wrong.
#93: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lee., Location: Blackwood, South WalesPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:15 pm ---- Couldn't though could you? I know mine cost's alot to run, but I know it's not 3 times a 138. Plus would I rather have 3 £300 laptops, or 1 Macbook pro? Simple choice really.
#94: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:20 pm ---- B*llocks to the lot of you. 2.0hdi for the win! £1000 on mods and you are laughing!
#95: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Iain, Location: Aberdeen, ScotlandPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:22 pm ----
lofty wrote:
I'm not so sure. A lot of gti's are advertised at around 2k but i've seen countless people on here struggle to sell them for around the 1200 mark! For that difference you could have 3 138's on an X plate for the same cost as a 180 on a 54 reg! (As I said I would pay around 3500 for a 180).
One road car, one track car and one to keep as spares when the other two go wrong.
It's not really fair to compare the price of an X reg GTi to the price of a 54 reg 180 though, but I see your point.
I was just going by the prices I see GTi's advertised for on Autotrader/Pistonheads etc, which is relatively close to similar mileage/age/condition 180's nowadays.
#96: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:30 am ----
|SGP| wrote:
So if I bought a 180 and I bought a 138, and tuned them both with the same parts, the 138 would be better?
Yes, simply because you'd have spent less to get to the same place. It's also easier to do the 138 because there's no VVT to play with.
#97: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lee., Location: Blackwood, South WalesPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:45 am ----
Edward wrote:
|SGP| wrote:
So if I bought a 180 and I bought a 138, and tuned them both with the same parts, the 138 would be better?
Yes, simply because you'd have spent less to get to the same place. It's also easier to do the 138 because there's no VVT to play with.
Where did he mention price and ease of modding?
#98: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:58 am ----
Edward wrote:
|SGP| wrote:
So if I bought a 180 and I bought a 138, and tuned them both with the same parts, the 138 would be better?
Yes, simply because you'd have spent less to get to the same place. It's also easier to do the 138 because there's no VVT to play with.
How much did you spend?
#99: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:19 am ---- It's quite simple if you own a 138 gti it's better than the 180. If you own a 180 gti it's better than a 138.
I have driven both and both have there perks the 180 is quicker. sharper handling which takes it's toll on the ride comfort better seats and should off been given a six speed box for motorway driving.
Gti 138 is pritty quick good handling better ride on ruff roads less engine noise on the motor way. And generally a smoother drive.
In my opinion I think the 180 is better in every department apart from ride comfort. But myn is a weekend toy so it's perfect for a bit off weekend fun. Think it would get annoying as an every day drive due to harsh ride.
#100: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:41 am ----
nick180 wrote:
It's quite simple if you own a 138 gti it's better than the 180. If you own a 180 gti it's better than a 138.
very diplomatic. But it's the 180 people aspire to if they want the ultimate factory performance 206, I bet more people have gone from the 138 to a 180 than the other way round. People who have a 138 & spent time & money modding it will be more passionate about their cars because of that & its also possibly their hobby. A lot of them want & need recognition of how good their car now is to justify the expense, time & energy they've put into it & massage their ego. As far as standard goes, at least, the 180 takes the crown of the ultimate 206 Gti, as far as ultimate owner passion for their car goes, well the modded 138 boys get that.
#101: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:24 am ----
E5GDM wrote:
nick180 wrote:
It's quite simple if you own a 138 gti it's better than the 180. If you own a 180 gti it's better than a 138.
very diplomatic. But it's the 180 people aspire to if they want the ultimate factory performance 206, I bet more people have gone from the 138 to a 180 than the other way round. People who have a 138 & spent time & money modding it will be more passionate about their cars because of that & its also possibly their hobby. A lot of them want & need recognition of how good their car now is to justify the expense, time & energy they've put into it & massage their ego. As far as standard goes, at least, the 180 takes the crown of the ultimate 206 Gti, as far as ultimate owner passion for their car goes, well the modded 138 boys get that.
Hahaha well said
#102: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:56 am ---- nar 138 owners dont think their better, and people who have modded them dont think their better either, if you got that from all those comments i think your analytical skills need a brush up, if you own a 138 and cant admit a 180s better your dumb simple it surpasses the gti in most areas, one thing though it still rattles like a gti still looks like one, im not buying the 180 being better looking it has cc bumpers and a piece of plactic over the exhaust dont make it much different in fact most non pug owners wouldnt be able to tell apart from the vortexs and the cheap cf effect CC is just tacky at best, the only question is, is the 180 worth the extra 2k, to be honest i wouldnt say so, i was going to get a 180 and have considered it on more then one occasion, but when i decided to get another car on the drive next to the gt, it probably wont be a 180 its just not worth the extra cost and weirdly its insurance group can mean the difference of like 1.5k in some cases in insurance. one thing though the interior is no much nicer, no horrible grey cross stitch pattern, and nearly all gtis have cracked leather on the seats. my gts are bad, 180 are only worth it if you want the best oem 206
#103: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lee., Location: Blackwood, South WalesPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:03 am ---- Where the hell are people getting this 2k difference in price from? A 138 and 180 on the same reg, with similar miles will not have a 2k difference in price!!
#104: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:15 am ---- [quote="no_offences"]nar 138 owners dont think their better, and people who have modded them dont think their better either, if you got that from all those comments i think your analytical skills need a brush up,
Think you need to learn the meaning of sarcasm. And if the tacky pieces of cf are so bad why do people buy them as upgrades. And there isn't a 2k difference that's just silly.
#105: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Bailey, Location: Finding Dr. RobotnikPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:20 am ---- Ferrari's are better.
#106: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: |SGP|, Location: Truro/Falmouth, CornwallPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:25 am ---- No way lambos are better than ferraris
#107: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:35 pm ----
Edward wrote:
|SGP| wrote:
So if I bought a 180 and I bought a 138, and tuned them both with the same parts, the 138 would be better?
Yes, simply because you'd have spent less to get to the same place. It's also easier to do the 138 because there's no VVT to play with.
Funny. Give an example.
#108: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:38 pm ----
no_offences wrote:
nar 138 owners dont think their better, and people who have modded them dont think their better either, if you got that from all those comments i think your analytical skills need a brush up, if you own a 138 and cant admit a 180s better your dumb simple
My analytical skills, lol. Most if not all the 138 owners that have posted here DO think their cars are better than the 180. So by your definition there's a lot of dumb 138 owners out there.
#109: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:45 pm ---- Lets face it there both shiit cars
Schumi wrote:
Edward wrote:
|SGP| wrote:
So if I bought a 180 and I bought a 138, and tuned them both with the same parts, the 138 would be better?
Yes, simply because you'd have spent less to get to the same place. It's also easier to do the 138 because there's no VVT to play with.
Funny. Give an example.
And im sure Jamie's would have been Faster and more Reliable if they could have managed with the VVT and he kept interest in it,, and i bet he would have spent far less too
#110: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: lofty, Location: Near ManchesterPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:10 pm ----
E5GDM wrote:
no_offences wrote:
nar 138 owners dont think their better, and people who have modded them dont think their better either, if you got that from all those comments i think your analytical skills need a brush up, if you own a 138 and cant admit a 180s better your dumb simple
My analytical skills, lol. Most if not all the 138 owners that have posted here DO think their cars are better than the 180. So by your definition there's a lot of dumb 138 owners out there.
No Offences left a decent post.
How many times do we have to say the 180 is better overall BUT ITS JUST NOT JUSTIFIED IN THE PRICE??!!!
It has very little to do with the actual performance!
Every 138 owner will agree with you on this. Its the 180 boys who simply say 'Oh its got a bit more poke and some extra trim so its worth every penny'. I still disagree. I made an informed choice to NOT buy a 180 because the price difference was a joke for basically the same car.
Also to the guy who handpicked a whole 2 cars to compare - well done.
I think we've all been here long enough to know what a 138 and a 180 goes for. You just picked one overpriced 138 and one underpriced(abused?) 180.
#111: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:15 pm ---- People will pay more for a 180 'because
Newer car
More likely less miles
More power overall
Better handling
More Standard extras
Better Interiour
Better looking!? Rear End, Slighty Lower?
#112: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: lofty, Location: Near ManchesterPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:19 pm ----
Mattie-VTs wrote:
People will pay more for a 180 'because
Newer car
More likely less miles
More power overall
Better handling
More Standard extras
Better Interiour
Better looking!? Rear End, Slighty Lower?
I agree. The main reason for me 'upgrading' to a 180 was to have a new car with less miles and not have to 'waste' money by adding a spoiler and CC'd bits to my car.
If I saw a 180 going super cheap and got decent dollar for mine I would still go for it!
(I'm sure this will confuse the blinkered views of some that see everything in black and white)!
#113: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:50 pm ----
E5GDM wrote:
My analytical skills, lol. Most if not all the 138 owners that have posted here DO think their cars are better than the 180.
I don't think 138 owners do think the car is better than the 180, they just seem to be aware that the 180 is a mildly tuned version of it...there is no night and day difference.
Mattie-VTs wrote:
And im sure Jamie's would have been Faster and more Reliable if they could have managed with the VVT and he kept interest in it,, and i bet he would have spent far less too
That's just it though, it wouldn't have cost less because everything that makes the 180 different to the 138 would have been thrown away. It would still need head work, a new exhaust and manifold, cams and throttle bodies. The VVT would give a slight torque advantage but if it's hard to get it to work then that also makes it more expensive.
#114: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:27 pm ----
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