#1: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:56 pm ---- just a few questions
did any model of the 180 or latest 206's come with discharge lights?
also does anyone know what engine differences there are between the two models as in the exact details
Cheers
#2: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Howey, Location: Kings LynnPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:03 pm ---- No 206's came with HID's as standard.
The 180 has VVT and a tubular manifold off the top of my head.
#3: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: rttam, Location: devonPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:05 pm ---- no 206s came with those lights
as for the engine its been covered lots before but basics are
180 has vvt
different inlet manifolds
better manifold, sports cat and different exhaust
more complicated dual air intake system
#4: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:07 pm ---- thats a bugger about the lights!! im using a car for road rallying and the regs state if a car was produced with discharge lights they could be used
is the 180 and 140 the same model of engine ?
sorry for all these q's they proberly have been asked a million times over but im no good with the search on this!
#5: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Howey, Location: Kings LynnPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:09 pm ---- They are both EW10's but with the differences above...
#6: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: |SGP|, Location: Truro/Falmouth, CornwallPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:09 pm ---- the general consensus is that, if you are buying a car to be standard, the 180 is better.. but if you want to tune a car, apparently the GTi is easier to do.
#7: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:19 pm ---- well id like a farily standard pokey engine to go in my rally car but all the bsi problems and stuff is putting me well off them, i know you can take this off an run omex or some sort of management but this is going down the never ending road of a money pit, so im thinking a 140 engine with few minor mods
#8: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:21 pm ---- The GTi138 will also run multiplexing if you get a '51plate or newer.
Non-plexed GTi137/8's also run a BSI
#9: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:24 pm ---- thats that idea out the window then! with our sort of rallying it can get quite rough and offen end up with alternator problems and stuff , and i heard you cant bump start 180's ? looks like the electrics will be the weak point!
#10: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: |SGP|, Location: Truro/Falmouth, CornwallPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:26 pm ---- I've bump started mine? :S
#11: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: nicp2007, Location: lancashirePosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:28 pm ---- you can bump a 140 i had to do it a few times last night lol
#12: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:33 pm ---- i swear i read someone did it and had a problem thread and it had loads of faults come up? omex might be a lot less hastle in the long run!
#13: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:37 pm ---- Using jump leads on a mux is a bit of a taboo, but plenty of people do it. It's just it can cause a power surge and play havoc with the BSI
#14: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:41 pm ---- i see, so what sort of engine / management would you suggest you lot seem to know alot more about them then me!
i want about 160 - 180 reliable bhp
#15: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: SAB206, Location: North WestPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:43 pm ---- There has been instances on here where jump starting a multiplexed 206 can fry the BSI, causing a hefty outlay of money in repair bills.
The 180 engine does have a quite a few differences but is based on the same lump as the GTI138 EW10.
For the purpose your seeking, i'd be tempted with the 138 engine EW10J4.
#16: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:45 pm ---- brilliant answer sab thanks thats helped me out alot! 138 engine it is!! i have a 138 now and i do like it just didnt know how easy it was to get 160 bhp from them!
#17: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:56 pm ----
giveitsomebar wrote:
brilliant answer sab thanks thats helped me out alot! 138 engine it is!! i have a 138 now and i do like it just didnt know how easy it was to get 160 bhp from them!
easy, mid-cam+remap. job done
#18: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Mr_Cellexe, Location: HertfordshirePosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:33 am ---- For road rallying, why not just buy a lamp pod? (esp if vision is that important).
tbh, the 180 is gonna be a pain in the a**e if you wanna mess about with the engine (VVT is causing problems for Jamie atm i think).
Get a non plexed 138, its much much easier to work on and will more than likely cope better with your mods. 160 shouldnt be much more than cams, TBs and standalone management.
Tbh, if you strip out as much as you can from the interior, rollcage it, uprate brakes/pads. you'll see a massive improvement over standard form just from that.
#19: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:38 am ----
Mr_Cellexe wrote:
160 shouldnt be much more than cams, TBs and standalone management.
I'd expect a fair bit more power with those modifications!
For a reliable 160-180 bhp then I'd just go for a standard 180 engine.
#20: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:31 am ---- is there any restriction in engine mod?
#21: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Spanerman, Location: Neath, South Wales.Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:42 am ----
Mr_Cellexe wrote:
For road rallying, why not just buy a lamp pod? (esp if vision is that important).
tbh, the 180 is gonna be a pain in the a**e if you wanna mess about with the engine (VVT is causing problems for Jamie atm i think).
Get a non plexed 138, its much much easier to work on and will more than likely cope better with your mods. 160 shouldnt be much more than cams, TBs and standalone management.
Tbh, if you strip out as much as you can from the interior, rollcage it, uprate brakes/pads. you'll see a massive improvement over standard form just from that.
You cant use a lamp pod for road rallies, and all of the major interior parts much remain in
Sam
#22: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:47 am ---- yep for road rallying the rules are quite strict.
no lamp pods
no discharge lights unless the car come out the factory with them
no lightforce lights
interior must still have rear seats and most of the trim
engine mods are anything goes aslong as you dont change it from the original fueling system so you cant put ITBS or turbos or anything like that.
there is a guy who runs a 206 cup car and as they were produced by peugeot he can run everything that it come out the factory with like the cup inlet manifold and stuff but he has to stick to the 1600 engine, i think he has got about 190bhp but the engine lacks torque and doesnt seem to come on cam untill about 3500 rpm!
thats him on one of the few daylight sections we use not very impressive but you get the idea
thanks for all your input so far
#23: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:49 am ----
giveitsomebar wrote:
yep for road rallying the rules are quite strict.
no lamp pods
no discharge lights unless the car come out the factory with them
no lightforce lights
interior must still have rear seats and most of the trim
engine mods are anything goes aslong as you dont change it from the original fueling system so you cant put ITBS or turbos or anything like that.
there is a guy who runs a 206 cup car and as they were produced by peugeot he can run everything that it come out the factory with like the cup inlet manifold and stuff but he has to stick to the 1600 engine, i think he has got about 190bhp but the engine lacks torque and doesnt seem to come on cam untill about 3500 rpm!
thats him on one of the few daylight sections we use not very impressive but you get the idea
thanks for all your input so far
but to be fair, power from 3500 all the way down to 9000 is pretty amazing, plus i don't suppose you have much time using rpm below 3500 in rally?
#24: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:55 am ---- you would be surprised we get alot of tight hairpins and controls which requires alot of stop starting so something with less than 190 bhp but more torque would defiantly benefit on some of the more tighter stages
#25: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:09 am ----
giveitsomebar wrote:
you would be surprised we get alot of tight hairpins and controls which requires alot of stop starting so something with less than 190 bhp but more torque would defiantly benefit on some of the more tighter stages
always learn something new in here!
#26: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Mr_Cellexe, Location: HertfordshirePosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:12 am ---- Hmm...seems a bit pointless using a 138 then
tbh, didnt have a clue on the restrictions for RR.
#27: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:13 am ---- does anyone know the exact power and torque figures for the 2 engines?
#28: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: -Tom-, Location: Preston / BirminghamPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:36 am ----
giveitsomebar wrote:
does anyone know the exact power and torque figures for the 2 engines?
Parkers It's all on there, facts and figures section
#29: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Quarmbo, Location: Bristol & LeicesterPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:29 pm ---- Have a look at Mac's rally 206 gti for engine mods
#30: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:38 pm ---- mac is do grp A stage rally i think, engine mod regulation is different
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