#16: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:45 pm ---- brilliant answer sab thanks thats helped me out alot! 138 engine it is!! i have a 138 now and i do like it just didnt know how easy it was to get 160 bhp from them!
#17: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:56 pm ----
giveitsomebar wrote:
brilliant answer sab thanks thats helped me out alot! 138 engine it is!! i have a 138 now and i do like it just didnt know how easy it was to get 160 bhp from them!
easy, mid-cam+remap. job done
#18: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Mr_Cellexe, Location: HertfordshirePosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:33 am ---- For road rallying, why not just buy a lamp pod? (esp if vision is that important).
tbh, the 180 is gonna be a pain in the a**e if you wanna mess about with the engine (VVT is causing problems for Jamie atm i think).
Get a non plexed 138, its much much easier to work on and will more than likely cope better with your mods. 160 shouldnt be much more than cams, TBs and standalone management.
Tbh, if you strip out as much as you can from the interior, rollcage it, uprate brakes/pads. you'll see a massive improvement over standard form just from that.
#19: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:38 am ----
Mr_Cellexe wrote:
160 shouldnt be much more than cams, TBs and standalone management.
I'd expect a fair bit more power with those modifications!
For a reliable 160-180 bhp then I'd just go for a standard 180 engine.
#20: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:31 am ---- is there any restriction in engine mod?
#21: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Spanerman, Location: Neath, South Wales.Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:42 am ----
Mr_Cellexe wrote:
For road rallying, why not just buy a lamp pod? (esp if vision is that important).
tbh, the 180 is gonna be a pain in the a**e if you wanna mess about with the engine (VVT is causing problems for Jamie atm i think).
Get a non plexed 138, its much much easier to work on and will more than likely cope better with your mods. 160 shouldnt be much more than cams, TBs and standalone management.
Tbh, if you strip out as much as you can from the interior, rollcage it, uprate brakes/pads. you'll see a massive improvement over standard form just from that.
You cant use a lamp pod for road rallies, and all of the major interior parts much remain in
Sam
#22: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:47 am ---- yep for road rallying the rules are quite strict.
no lamp pods
no discharge lights unless the car come out the factory with them
no lightforce lights
interior must still have rear seats and most of the trim
engine mods are anything goes aslong as you dont change it from the original fueling system so you cant put ITBS or turbos or anything like that.
there is a guy who runs a 206 cup car and as they were produced by peugeot he can run everything that it come out the factory with like the cup inlet manifold and stuff but he has to stick to the 1600 engine, i think he has got about 190bhp but the engine lacks torque and doesnt seem to come on cam untill about 3500 rpm!
thats him on one of the few daylight sections we use not very impressive but you get the idea
thanks for all your input so far
#23: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:49 am ----
giveitsomebar wrote:
yep for road rallying the rules are quite strict.
no lamp pods
no discharge lights unless the car come out the factory with them
no lightforce lights
interior must still have rear seats and most of the trim
engine mods are anything goes aslong as you dont change it from the original fueling system so you cant put ITBS or turbos or anything like that.
there is a guy who runs a 206 cup car and as they were produced by peugeot he can run everything that it come out the factory with like the cup inlet manifold and stuff but he has to stick to the 1600 engine, i think he has got about 190bhp but the engine lacks torque and doesnt seem to come on cam untill about 3500 rpm!
thats him on one of the few daylight sections we use not very impressive but you get the idea
thanks for all your input so far
but to be fair, power from 3500 all the way down to 9000 is pretty amazing, plus i don't suppose you have much time using rpm below 3500 in rally?
#24: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:55 am ---- you would be surprised we get alot of tight hairpins and controls which requires alot of stop starting so something with less than 190 bhp but more torque would defiantly benefit on some of the more tighter stages
#25: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:09 am ----
giveitsomebar wrote:
you would be surprised we get alot of tight hairpins and controls which requires alot of stop starting so something with less than 190 bhp but more torque would defiantly benefit on some of the more tighter stages
always learn something new in here!
#26: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Mr_Cellexe, Location: HertfordshirePosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:12 am ---- Hmm...seems a bit pointless using a 138 then
tbh, didnt have a clue on the restrictions for RR.
#27: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:13 am ---- does anyone know the exact power and torque figures for the 2 engines?
#28: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: -Tom-, Location: Preston / BirminghamPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:36 am ----
giveitsomebar wrote:
does anyone know the exact power and torque figures for the 2 engines?
Parkers It's all on there, facts and figures section
#29: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Quarmbo, Location: Bristol & LeicesterPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:29 pm ---- Have a look at Mac's rally 206 gti for engine mods
#30: Re: few gti 140 and 180 questions Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:38 pm ---- mac is do grp A stage rally i think, engine mod regulation is different
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