#1: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay IPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:22 pm ---- At Fast Show this year I've challenged my mate to a race on the 1/4 mile for all the remarks he makes about my car being french, the winner gets a pint and a bag of scratchins so you can see the magnitude of this business
My 74hp vs his 78hp zetec, I think he is putting some money into induction kit just for the day to up his odds, but I think that instead of going down that route I'm just going to renew my paper filter, change engine oil and transmission fluid
Are there any other things I can change maintainance wise to make it run as smooth as possible? Its just a laugh with a mate but I really want to see if all the hundreds of pounds into induction kits and mods is a false economy, can servicing a car prove just to be as effective as modding?
#2: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:23 pm ---- 1.6 inlet manifold and throttle body (also ported)
If anything the induction will reduce his odds
EDIT (should read it not skim it): I would vote a really thorough service would be alot better than an induction Last edited by Addaz on Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:24 pm; edited 1 time in total
#3: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Andy_VXR, Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:23 pm ---- I personally would change paper filter for panel filter, use 99 ron petrol and give the car a good service beforehand.
#4: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Andy_VXR, Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:24 pm ---- O, and practice your starts as that is everything
#5: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: craigy00craig, Location: surreyPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:24 pm ---- dont most induction kits lower the cars power? Unless you get one with a cold air feed it just sucks hot air from the engine bay.... sounds cool tho
#6: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Razpulsedj, Location: Partying with the Info ShufflersPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:25 pm ----
sorted you will have 79 he will have 78 Last edited by Razpulsedj on Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:26 pm; edited 1 time in total
#7: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay IPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:26 pm ---- Any recommendation on filter?
I think he was looking at cold feeds, I'd like to keep it as standard as possible because to see his face having lost to a standard french 8 valver would be good!
Is the zetec much faster?
edit: can you get those stickers in red? red is an extra 10hp! Last edited by Andrew on Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:26 pm; edited 1 time in total
#8: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:26 pm ---- take all the seats out too
#9: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Ben, Location: Swadlincote, DerbyshirePosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:26 pm ---- i'd say a panel filter rather than paper
#10: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: NorthantsBen, Location: Raunds, NorthamptonshirePosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:27 pm ----
Andrewxps wrote:
Any recommendation on filter?
I think he was looking at cold feeds, I'd like to keep it as standard as possible because to see his face having lost to a standard french 8 valver would be good!
Is the zetec much faster?
pipercross replacement or k&n replacement filter (i like the K&N better)
there not expensive for how long they last. Last edited by NorthantsBen on Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:28 pm; edited 1 time in total
#11: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Ruffy_206, Location: BristolPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:27 pm ---- as said above their is going to be nothing in it car wise. will be down to the drive so pratice... just not at every traffic light you see lol
#12: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Mikey2uk, Location: StevenagePosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:28 pm ----
Mattie-DS3 wrote:
take all the seats out too
Didnt Trick do that at FCS one year...
#13: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Ben, Location: Swadlincote, DerbyshirePosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:29 pm ----
Andy_VXR wrote:
I personally would change paper filter for panel filter, use 99 ron petrol and give the car a good service beforehand.
dont fill up tho Last edited by Ben on Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:30 pm; edited 1 time in total
#14: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Andy180+, Location: doncaster south yorkshirePosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:30 pm ---- dont forget to get them tappets set up on that service!!! every bit helps
#15: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:32 pm ----
Mikey2uk wrote:
Mattie-DS3 wrote:
take all the seats out too
Didnt Trick do that at FCS one year...
Last year wasnt it??
All else fails let me race him
#16: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Seabook, Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:32 pm ---- remove everytihng that can be removed on the car, empty the windscreen washer, put just enough petrol in, loss your weight....etc
#17: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Andy180, Location: Stoke on TrentPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:51 pm ----
Quote::
use 99 ron petrol
wouldnt bother it will do absoloutley jack s**t on a 1.4
#18: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay IPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:52 pm ----
Mattie-DS3 wrote:
All else fails let me race him
Do I need to put a pot noodle gti into my glovebox to turn it into the DS3 then?
#19: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Luke, Location: LeedsPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:05 pm ---- Green Cotton panel filter, performance HT leads, decent spark plugs, new rotor arm and dizzy cap, high grade oil, K&N oil filter, EBC Green Stuff brake pads, new discs and brake fluid, new soft compound tyres, lose the back seats and any excess weight.
That should set you in good stead with just service parts.
#20: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:06 pm ---- Luke he doesnt on a porchse
No HT leads, rotor arm or dizzy cap
#21: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Seabook, Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:11 pm ---- why do you need new brake pad, disc and fluid for 1/4 miles? lol
#22: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Luke, Location: LeedsPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:12 pm ---- Stupid coils! Tells you the last time i did any work on the 206.
Buy some anyway!!
#23: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: wardie_206, Location: Rayleigh, essexPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:33 pm ---- accidently drop a 1.6 8 valve in urs, everything will be standard just the engine size has increased :D!!
serious note: all of the above to be fair, try to make it as light as possible and get your start off to a tee.
could also look at taking the restictive part of the airbox off, the part that goes up and over the wheel arch, and putting a small pipe on the bottom of the airbox. might give u a little gain.
#24: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Andy_VXR, Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:36 pm ----
Andy180 wrote:
Quote::
use 99 ron petrol
wouldnt bother it will do absoloutley jack s**t on a 1.4
Make the car run smoother and clean the insides out
#25: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:46 pm ----
wardie_206 wrote:
accidently drop a 1.6 8 valve in urs, everything will be standard just the engine size has increased :D!!
serious note: all of the above to be fair, try to make it as light as possible and get your start off to a tee.
could also look at taking the restictive part of the airbox off, the part that goes up and over the wheel arch, and putting a small pipe on the bottom of the airbox. might give u a little gain.
He is right. I took that pipe away and ran a plasic pipe to the corner of my bumper over the ledge of the wheel arch, it does give a noticable improvment, cost me £5 for the pipe from B&q. You will need flexi pipe too though for the bend. Don't put it to the front of the bumper though as it just causes over-pressure and makes the fuel run lean. Cotton pannel filter needs to be included with the service. they are only like 30 quid.
I would also lower your tyre pressures a bit
#26: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: M60SHW, Location: CarlislePosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:46 pm ---- decent tyres are a must see if you can get some good make part warns for a few quid and a spare set of front wheels to use for race day paint them in luminus green adds 24.3 bhp "proven"
#27: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: meady, Location: basingstokePosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:53 pm ---- why lower the tyre pressure, thts just going to make the tyrs a bit more flat and mean there will be more resistnace. you want to up them a bit if anythinmg as there will be slightly less friction on the road which will help out
#28: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: M60SHW, Location: CarlislePosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:01 pm ----
meady wrote:
why lower the tyre pressure, thts just going to make the tyrs a bit more flat and mean there will be more resistnace. you want to up them a bit if anythinmg as there will be slightly less friction on the road which will help out
#29: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:04 pm ----
meady wrote:
why lower the tyre pressure, thts just going to make the tyrs a bit more flat and mean there will be more resistnace. you want to up them a bit if anythinmg as there will be slightly less friction on the road which will help out
wider surface area so they will be grip better on the start.
#30: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: pedro_keil, Location: Sittingbourne, KentPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:15 pm ---- Have a number 2 before take off LOL!!
Didn't want to say Poo thought it might seem rude lol
#31: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:05 pm ---- or if you want to cheat go rub some oil onto your mates front tyres
#32: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: leigh_boy, Location: EastbournePosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:56 am ---- or sugar in his tank
#33: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Danny., Location: PeterboroughPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:28 am ---- Correct me if im wrong... But isnt the Zetec a 16v?
Hmmm
How about praying...
#34: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: M60SHW, Location: CarlislePosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:37 am ---- Hire a 180 for the day just say you got some body mods
#35: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Ape, Location: Clipping the Apex!Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:08 am ---- A good service will help
Plugs, Filters (performance panel filter if you like) etc.
Fault Code Clear may help a bit too.
Drop the pressure in the front tyres to increase contact area with the tarmac, this will reduce a bit of wheelspin and will get you some traction. Over inflating the tyres will just leave you spinning the wheels.
Warm the tyres up on the concrete pad before the start line, handbrake up, clutch dump and get some heat into them.
Strip as much of the interior out as you can, remove spare wheel etc.
As little fuel as possible
Empty washer bottle (there's a Kg or 2 in there!)
Practice your launches, as little wheelspin as possible, but as much acceleration as possible
What condition are you gearbox, clutch, engine mounts in?
#36: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:16 am ---- borrow a gti or 180 which looks like yours for the day
#37: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: wardie_206, Location: Rayleigh, essexPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:38 am ---- I had a race with my mates zetec. There was nothing in it, quite literally neck and neck so u should do alryt spesh if u do wat people have suggested.
#38: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:02 pm ---- What is the point? The cars will be so evenly matched it will take 30 miles for one to start pulling away from the other.
#39: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:18 am ---- ive driven both engines and there’s not much in it tbh. the zetec is slightly more aggressive i think.
having said that you are definitely in with a chance of winning. what mileage do both the cars have, if ones on 100k+ and the others been in a garage its whole life that will make a difference!
as said before its important that you practice your starts because thats the main thing. also giving it a service like you suggest is a good idea, because your going to be thrashing it if nothing else :p.
also make sure you have just enough fuel lol. fuels heavy, you would be surprised what difference half a tank of weight can make.
also take out any bits you can lol, if your boots like mine, the spare wheel and a million random heavy tools etc.
as with the tyres, i dunno if they would be better over or under inflated. look into it
99 petrol wont make a difference, cant hurt tho lol depends if it will make you feel faster haha.
also learn when through the rev range is best to change gear, i.e not too soon or too late.
finally, dont forget to get somebody (not an idiot) to film it so you can post the video up on here when the race is over
Visualise the WIN, hahaha
EDIT: also there's a good chance he might mess his engine management up by f*****g around with induction kits etc, that might help you. persuade him to amateur mod the s**t out of his engine hahaha
#40: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Jay794, Location: Sheffield/Chesterfield/DronfieldPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:58 am ---- As someone else said, take the seats out, and empty the boot. They did a similar test on Top Gear, modifying a Renault Avantime V6, but they f****d up, obviously they did new brakes, wheels, tyres, spoiler (which failed) splitter (again, failed) but they didn't touch the ECU, even though they took it on a Rolling Road, they just gave it service, if they had remapped it they would of gained some extra horses
#41: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:19 am ---- This forum really is going down tha pan.
#42: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Jay794, Location: Sheffield/Chesterfield/DronfieldPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:25 am ---- How so Ed?
#43: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:30 am ---- Because people are giving advice to somebody in order for them to race a pokey little car against another pokey little car.
#44: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:31 am ---- so you have read 3 pages worth of posts on a subject your not intrested in? that doesn't make much sense
dont like it dont read it normally applys on every forum out there ?
#45: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:49 am ---- small cars doesnt make it less fun imo
#46: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay IPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:42 pm ---- Edward its me and my mate having a laugh at a car show that happens once a year, at 19 we can't all have a gti, if you dont like it dont read it simples
Cheers for the advice everyone, I did see the Top Gear Avantime video which was in fact the reason why i asked mods vs managing, since they renewed the injectors etc and got it up more to factory bhp
#47: Re: Mods vs Maintainance Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:44 pm ----
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you will have 79 he will have 78 
Tells you the last time i did any work on the 206.
