#1: GTI re-mapping Author: MutilateTheDead, Location: DerbyPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:31 am ---- How much would i need to spend on a decent re-map and how much more BHP would i get out of a standard 206 gti 137? Do you guys think it'll be worth it?
#2: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: Jay794, Location: Sheffield/Chesterfield/DronfieldPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:37 am ---- anywhere from £300 to £450, thats usually the going rate for a decent remap but you'll only get it to about 140 142bhp with just a remap
#3: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:40 am ----
Jay794 wrote:
anywhere from £300 to £450, thats usually the going rate for a decent remap but you'll only get it to about 140 142bhp with just a remap
If that, as it is a 10 year old car now. It will unlikely still be putting out 137BHP.
#4: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: MutilateTheDead, Location: DerbyPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:47 am ---- ^^ True, not really worth it then, any other suggestions for performance, got £400-£500 to spend
#5: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:49 am ---- Get a good service, maybe a K&N pannel airfilter & stainless steel exhaust.
#6: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: Seabook, Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:49 am ---- you can't get any performance improvement without a remap to finish off.....
#7: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:59 am ----
Seabook wrote:
you can't get any performance improvement without a remap to finish off.....
True.
#8: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: Lee180, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:03 am ----
CD-vRS wrote:
Get a good service, maybe a K&N pannel airfilter & stainless steel exhaust.
i think the service part of this, was to try regain some of the power lost due to age
#10: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: MutilateTheDead, Location: DerbyPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:14 am ---- At work so cant watch the vid but how much gain from cams? And yeah it needs a good service, already got a ram air filter in it so sorted on that, sounds amazing btw
#11: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: Lee180, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:17 am ---- just to add to this thread. anyone know the power output after a 180 has been mapped with a janspeed catback and pannel airfilter ?
#12: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:18 am ---- Cams will require a remap to run properly.
#13: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: Seabook, Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:19 am ----
Lee180 wrote:
just to add to this thread. anyone know the power output after a 180 has been mapped with a janspeed catback and pannel airfilter ?
around 180
#14: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:20 am ----
Lee180 wrote:
just to add to this thread. anyone know the power output after a 180 has been mapped with a janspeed catback and pannel airfilter ?
180 bhp if your lucky lol
#15: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: Lee180, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:21 am ---- thats what i thought, mid road cams ? + remapped.
#16: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:24 am ---- Kyle (gti180boy) has got cat cams and other mods set up on a rolling road and his is 197 bhp I think.
#17: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: Seabook, Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:26 am ----
nick180 wrote:
Kyle (gti180boy) has got cat cams and other mods set up on a rolling road and his is 197 bhp I think.
cat 804 cam.
#18: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:30 am ---- Nick - resize your sig please mate - it's screwing my monitor up
Re; remap
My '02 GTi 138 had a generic Angel Tuning remap and came out at 141bhp.
The actual power is not really what it's about - it's the drivability and performance that improved. It was more economical too, ironing-out flat spots and hesitations.
The remap cost £200 (group buy) - but that was without any major mods on my car.
For GTi-like performance a remap is a must
Chi's GTi came out at 125bhp pre-remap, and Kayleigh's GTi was about 131bhp - so you are unlikely to find a 138 with 138bhp
#19: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:31 am ---- Cheers Nick
#20: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: kieron, Location: in the housePosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:35 am ---- lee
kyle had 172bhp with just a k&n typhoon and janspeed cat back
rs tuning remap and cat cams 804s went to 195.5
#21: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: Lee180, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:42 am ---- thats quality (: my 180 has only done 61k and has full pug service history so should shouldn't have lost to much bhp over the years, im looking at the remap to level out flat spots, there's abit of hesitation when i put my foot down in some gears ( traction controle turned off ).
#22: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:46 am ---- Nick - resize your sig please mate - it's screwing my monitor up
I'm on here on my phone at work lol
#23: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: JamieM, Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:42 am ----
nick180 wrote:
Lee180 wrote:
just to add to this thread. anyone know the power output after a 180 has been mapped with a janspeed catback and pannel airfilter ?
180 bhp if your lucky lol
As said by Ant though it's all about the drive,
It may only unlock a little more power but that power makes a s**t load of difference to the overall drive, so much so that after owning a mapped up 180 previously i'd completely forgotten that they actually need the mapping when reverting back, the difference that just the generic Angel tuning map with my Scorpion catback/ Simota CAI was immense I remember it made it in to a complete different car, no RR results but for me they wasn't needed because the difference was seriously noticeable.
I'm betting that the cammed and mapped 180 would absolutely slaughter another mapped up 180 without the cams.
#24: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: kieron, Location: in the housePosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:53 am ----
JamieM wrote:
nick180 wrote:
Lee180 wrote:
just to add to this thread. anyone know the power output after a 180 has been mapped with a janspeed catback and pannel airfilter ?
180 bhp if your lucky lol
As said by Ant though it's all about the drive,
It may only unlock a little more power but that power makes a s**t load of difference to the overall drive, so much so that after owning a mapped up 180 previously i'd completely forgotten that they actually need the mapping when reverting back, the difference that just the generic Angel tuning map with my Scorpion catback/ Simota CAI was immense I remember it made it in to a complete different car, no RR results but for me they wasn't needed because the difference was seriously noticeable.
I'm betting that the cammed and mapped 180 would absolutely slaughter another mapped up 180 without the cams.
#25: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: JamieM, Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:13 am ---- I don't know if it's just me but did that recording 180/RC start accelerating before the final 'beep' if so it could have been better, and the vid should have been longer because it would have just kept pulling:)
But yeh that's the difference mapping makes:)
#26: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:19 am ----
JamieM wrote:
I'm betting that the cammed and mapped 180 would absolutely slaughter another mapped up 180 without the cams.
You'd need about double the torque to slaughter another 180.
#27: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: JamieM, Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:29 am ----
Edward wrote:
JamieM wrote:
I'm betting that the cammed and mapped 180 would absolutely slaughter another mapped up 180 without the cams.
You'd need about double the torque to slaughter another 180.
I'd like to see a cam'd one vs another 180, i'd be suprised if there wasn't a significant difference in acceleration.. do they not work well with higher lifting cams then?
Cam's and map make a huge difference on most cars, for example on a Saxo yarrrrrs a Saxo, mine is around 130-40 bhp so i'm told just the usual breathing mods (uprated filter ~ Simota CAI, 421-decat back, denso irridium plugs)
Mapped up with cams they can produce up to 165bhp and they rip past breathered vts's easily:)
#28: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: dturbopeck, Location: newcastle upon tynePosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:43 am ---- nick180 what power is your 180 putting out?
#29: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: MutilateTheDead, Location: DerbyPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:57 am ---- so......... if i just re-map a standard 206 gti i wont see any difference but cams and re-map i will?
#30: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: Lee180, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:58 am ---- no you will see a difference in driablity and a little more BHP and torque
#31: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: MutilateTheDead, Location: DerbyPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:03 am ---- Might go for it then..... anywhere around derby area do this?
#32: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:05 am ----
dturbopeck wrote:
nick180 what power is your 180 putting out?
When. First got her 167 bhp
Now. Set up on a rolling road at re performance 173 bhp.
Will try and find my print outs.
All done on the same rolling road.
#33: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:18 am ----
Lee180 wrote:
no you will see a difference in driablity and a little more BHP and torque
Response and economy will both improve - the remap will (should) make the engine more efficient.
Power might not improve, but the delivery will. You will notice the difference
#34: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:22 am ----
JamieM wrote:
Edward wrote:
JamieM wrote:
I'm betting that the cammed and mapped 180 would absolutely slaughter another mapped up 180 without the cams.
You'd need about double the torque to slaughter another 180.
I'd like to see a cam'd one vs another 180, i'd be suprised if there wasn't a significant difference in acceleration.. do they not work well with higher lifting cams then?
Cam's and map make a huge difference on most cars, for example on a Saxo yarrrrrs a Saxo, mine is around 130-40 bhp so i'm told just the usual breathing mods (uprated filter ~ Simota CAI, 421-decat back, denso irridium plugs)
Mapped up with cams they can produce up to 165bhp and they rip past breathered vts's easily:)
The cams in Kyle's car work at higher revs than a normal 180, so in theory it is slower at lower revs. Therefore it will not 'slaughter' another 180 except in hi-rev acceleration and outright pace.
Kyle commented how quick my 180 was [granted, he had done all the servicing/cambelt/clutch etc on it lol]
#35: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: JamieM, Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:33 am ---- Yeh but that's the thing, high rev acceleration, the situation we are talking about is a race.
So arguably he will always be in the power band won't he? unless he can't drive or is it not as simple as that? as to race you simply rev the tits of cars to get them to go like you already do to get a 180 to move lol, i'd agree with him possibly getting caught out, out of VVT?
The 180's seem to rev up nice and freely, and from a standing start surely he'd ace it, and in gear providing they are both racing from VVT again would be gone?
And then is that also not down to crap mapping? if it's not a generic map surely it would be mapped up to get the best out of everything?
Please enlighten me lol, it just seems strange going by experience with other cars
(Please don't take offence to anything or the way I put it, i'm just curious:))
#36: Re: GTI re-mapping Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:54 pm ----
JamieM wrote:
out of VVT?
JamieM wrote:
both racing from VVT again would be gone?
Do you understand how VVT works? It's not stepped like a VTEC system where the engine suddenly makes more power. It doesn't just suddenly come into play, all it does is constantly change the cam timing dependent on engine speed and load. So it's always working.
So arguably he will always be in the power band won't he? .......
what kind of race are you talking about? if you are talking about motorway floorer that might be true.
but in reality, depends on the camshaft profile. some camshaft just don't have torque below 5000rpm; unless all you do is straight road. otherwise mid-range torque is still very important. you can't just look at peak power
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