#1: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:36 pm ---- Hi, I have had my car for almost 4 months now, and i have only driven it about half a mile ! I will try and give as much detail as possible.....
I have a immobilisers fault, the refuses to start more often than not. I have taken it to several mechanics, and non could fix the immobilisers.
Now, a friend of mine put me in touch with a local immobilisers repair dude, who said, he could fix the fault only for it to return as he couldn't guarantee it. He recommended the following:
He told me to go and buy a second hand ECU, BSI, And key fob ( all from the same car. ) he told me they are usually in the price range of £120-£180 ...
now i have the following questions, Can i buy a ECU BSI and FOB and barrel ring, from any 206 or does it have to be exactly the same, i.e same engine size and a CC or could it be from any 2.0 206? I am at my witts end, The immobilisers repair guy said he would only charge me £60 to fit all the above and get it started, provided i get the parts.
Punk :firedevil:
#2: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: -Dave-, Location: North ManchesterPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:38 pm ---- Lee and Mr BSI are online so you may get a answer
#3: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Mikey2uk, Location: StevenagePosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:39 pm ---- First off have you had all the code read on the ECU? Seems a lot of hassel to go to if it is something simple like having the codes read and reset or just a soft boot of the BSI
#4: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: l_jacka, Location: CroydonPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:41 pm ---- The ECU needs to match the engine size so if your is a 2.0 liter then it needs to come from a 2.0 liter car
The 206 GTi uses the same engine as your CC so you can get all the parts it from a salvaged GTi
You'll also need to get an immobliser from the same car
#5: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:43 pm ---- Replace the ignition barrel first
ECU, BSI and Transponder need to be from the same engine and electrical system as yours.
Or just take the immobliser off of yours, only need to cut two wires.
#6: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:44 pm ----
l_jacka wrote:
The ECU needs to match the engine size so if your is a 2.0 liter then it needs to come from a 2.0 liter car
The 206 GTi uses the same engine as your CC so you can get all the parts it from a salvaged GTi
You'll also need to get an immobliser from the same car
Immobliser is part of the BSI, and needs to match the electrical system as well as the engine
#7: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:44 pm ---- Thanks for the prompt reply, was expecting to wait at least a few days...should have got into this interwebs thing along time ago, The problem is, is that, i am sick to death, If this will resolve the problem then id rather just do this, instead of taking it to Pug dealer just to be financially raped, I am at the moment unemployed after 6 years ...anyway enough of the violins, just want to get it sorted..... as no one can actually resolve the problem,
#8: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance : Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:45 pm ---- Transponder aerial would be first thing on the list to change.
#9: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:46 pm ---- What is the transponder ariel? Is that the ring on the barrel? Excuse my ignorance...
#10: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:47 pm ---- Part number 6160 76 @ £7.86
Guessing its mux, never seen a non-plexed one
#11: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:48 pm ----
punk wrote:
What is the transponder ariel? Is that the ring on the barrel? Excuse my ignorance...
Yea
#12: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:55 pm ---- Oh cool, Lee. You mentioned cutting two wires to disable the immobilisers, Most of the " professionals" i have spoken to say that it is not possible to remove the immobilizer as it is built into the ECU ? My heads gonna blow....
#13: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:59 pm ----
punk wrote:
Oh cool, Lee. You mentioned cutting two wires to disable the immobilisers, Most of the " professionals" i have spoken to say that it is not possible to remove the immobilizer as it is built into the ECU ? My heads gonna blow....
Load of bollox
The immobilser isn't even in the ECU.
You just need to start the engine [when you get it going], unplug the ECU, and cut the two wires to the BSI.
If you tell me your chassis number, I'll tell you which wires.
I think it will just be the aerial tho tbh, common failure
#14: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Mikey2uk, Location: StevenagePosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:02 pm ----
Lee wrote:
punk wrote:
Oh cool, Lee. You mentioned cutting two wires to disable the immobilisers, Most of the " professionals" i have spoken to say that it is not possible to remove the immobilizer as it is built into the ECU ? My heads gonna blow....
Load of bollox
The immobilser isn't even in the ECU.
You just need to start the engine [when you get it going], unplug the ECU, and cut the two wires to the BSI.
If you tell me your chassis number, I'll tell you which wires.
I think it will just be the aerial tho tbh, common failure
So would change that first before you go cutting any wires
#15: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:12 pm ---- lol, Yeah i'm not keen on cutting any wires just yet. I will be ordering the part tonight and fitting it if possible, If not, I fear i'l be sending one or more of u a PM! Im just sick to death of being told A million different things. When i got the car it seemed to start fine, Sometimes it will start, but most of the time it will not...
#16: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:20 pm ---- I have ecu bsi transponder and key for a Gti that I can sell you
#17: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance : Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:44 pm ---- Should still have the codes reads though. Could be something else.
#18: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance : Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:11 pm ---- I think I may have to get Lee out... iv read his sticky, sounds like he knows what he is talking about, tbh, I'd rather have the immobiliser cut.
#19: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Seabook, Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:39 pm ---- Lee is the legand in 206info
#20: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:06 am ---- I hope so! I have spent almost £700 on fixing this problem, I am at Witts end, if this don't fix it the car will probably be scrapped! I'm going to drop him a text, see what he says.
#21: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:36 am ---- www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpJX_hRYbJ8
Wires that are leading to the ECU
And what happens when i attempt to start the car ( usually says, " Engine immobiliser fault" )
#22: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:24 pm ---- That says economy mode
Get the battery tested
#23: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:51 pm ---- lol, The battery is brand new, it went into economy mode because i was sitting in there fiddling with my phone listening to the radio, so my bad, but it was just to illustrate the sound when i start the car up. The second video was showing the ECU and the wires n stuff...now that 'iv got you mate, did you get my text regarding the postcode?
#24: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:58 pm ---- Oh yeah, I thought I replied. Just need to check on the removal with it be CANBUS, as I don't want it to cause conflicts in the BSI
#25: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:01 pm ---- Awesome, let me know of any details you may need. You have no idea of how relived I am, been without the car since a week after i brought it.
Ps, I have no idea what CANBUS is......
#26: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:59 am ---- Got some major bad news, multiplexing strikes again
You can't just cut the wires on the ecu like you can with the other ones, as it will corrupt the ECU.
You have to get the dump from the flash 29F200, and remove the coding which at the minute I don't have the hardware to do
Sorry.
I'd change the aerial for the cost of a tenner
#27: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:17 am ---- b******s, If I change the aerial and that does not work, what would be the next step? Would my initial plan of changing everything work?
#28: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:37 am ---- If changing the aerial doesn't work. Then yeah you would need to change everything, which you can buy sets off places like eBay for about £100-130.
Do you have a spare key? Could try using that instead, as your main key might be faulty
#29: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:57 am ---- Unfortunately i do not have a spare key, I'm going to change the Transponder aerial this week and will see how it goes, Lee, May need your help in identifying the correct parts, I'm pretty good with mechanical stuff, but electrical stuff is not my strong point.
#30: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:19 am ----
You are changing part 2
#31: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance : Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:33 am ---- You sir, are a king,
But what I meant to say if this was not to work, and I needed to replace ecu, bsi ect, then I would require you help if i was to find anything on ebay to ensure it was the right one, Which I hope you don't mind doing,
Iv been looking around a few other forums, and this seems to be a recurring fault, which people always suggest first trying to change the Aerial.
I really wish i joined this forum 4 months and £700 ago.
#32: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:09 pm ---- ahh yeah, no worries, just get in touch
#33: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:23 am ---- Cheers bud, Is there anywhere I can buy the Transponder Aerial online? or just the Dealer?
#34: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:25 am ----
punk wrote:
Cheers bud, Is there anywhere I can buy the Transponder Aerial online? or just the Dealer?
Any Peugeot / Citroen main dealer parts dept will happily sell you one pretty cheaply.
#35: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:26 am ---- Ok, well I went to Peugeot this morning and picked up the transponder Aerial, I fitted it and same problem.
So I guess the only option is a BSI ECU replacement
#36: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance : Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:29 am ---- Turn the ignition OFF but leave the key in, now open the drivers door, do you hear the key in igntion warning beep?
#37: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:33 am ---- Just tried that, and yes i do hear three quick beeps
#38: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:36 am ----
punk wrote:
Just tried that, and yes i do hear three quick beeps
That means the aerial is seeing the transponder chip inside the key.
What year of 206 is this?
#39: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:37 am ---- 2003 2.0 GTI I believe
#40: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:38 am ---- 2.0 206cc gti 2003
#41: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:39 am ----
punk wrote:
2003 2.0 GTI I believe
Can you borrow an EOBD code reader from a friend / mechanic?
Plug it in & see if it will communicate with the engine ecu.
16 pin EOBD diagnostic socket is behind flap to drivers right knee, turn platic screw with a coin & lift up / unclip the flap.
#42: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:41 am ---- I had a diagnostic done not long back, I had some old faults cleared. Mechanic plugged it into the fuse area by my lower right knee.
#43: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:45 am ----
punk wrote:
I had a diagnostic done not long back, I had some old faults cleared. Mechanic plugged it into the fuse area by my lower right knee.
If the engine ecu is immobilised you WONT be able to communicate with it
#44: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:50 am ---- I do not want to spend too much more money. How much do they charge, im having trouble finding a price list On the website!
#45: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:55 am ----
punk wrote:
I do not want to spend too much more money. How much do they charge, im having trouble finding a price list On the website!
They offer so many different repair services on virtaully any make of car depending on actual problems that a price list would be pretty huge.
Best thing to do would be to speak to them over the phone
A scan with Peugeot Planet would help pinpoint the fault as well.
#46: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:31 am ---- Spoken to a very rude man who was not very help full, I Just wanted to know whether or not it would it would be cheaper to replace everything or get it refurbished, I think im going to go down the road of replacing everything.
#47: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance : Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:33 am ---- Find someone with Peugeot Planet & get the car scanned with that
Lee has Peugeot Planet kit, ask him how much to scan yours.
#48: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:40 am ---- Yeah, I will ask him, I would have to post it to him, Him coming to Birmingham would be a waste of time for him just to scan it plus costly for me.
#49: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:45 am ----
punk wrote:
Yeah, I will ask him, I would have to post it to him, Him coming to Birmingham would be a waste of time for him just to scan it plus costly for me.
He would really need the whole car
Peugeot Planet is the official dealer software, it's the best diagnostic kit for a Peugeot.
#50: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:59 am ---- Oh Ok, cheers for the clarification, I'm just thinking if it is going to cost me ( and bare with me on this) If as i have worked it out, it cost me about £70 ( from what iv calculated to get Lee out, only for him to say i need X work done and then I have to send off the unit which will cost me another £100 odd quid ( maybe more maybe less ) and then not to mention all the faffing about. It would be quicker and simpler to change it all don't you think?
#51: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:09 am ---- Change it whole lot
Well thats defiantly if it is the immobilser
#52: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:38 am ---- Well the display is still reading Engine immobilser fault.
So what about the following iv seen on ebay?
Peugeot 206 GTi 2.0 16v 137ps ECU Chip Ring & BSI Uni
206 GTi 137ps ECU with chip, transponder ring kit and BSI Unit (under fuse box) from a year 2000 GTi
Does that sound right? Like everything i need?
#53: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:42 am ---- None of them will work
You need one from a 2002 or newer
#54: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:43 am ---- Cheers pal. I will keeplooking
#55: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance : Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:57 am ---- There is alot of technical mumbo jumbo on this one, Also does it matter if it is from a HDI?
Immobiliser and ECU removed from a 2003 2.0 petrol 206cc
Engine code the ecu corresponds to EW10/0
Body control unit (BSI)
Siemens 9649627780 HG
E2 A1-00
ECU
Magneti marelli - 3 plug
sw 16.529.054
sw 9646009780
IAW 48P2.3T
Fuse box BSM B3
9646405280
1 ignition pick-up ring
2 button remote keyfo
#56: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:07 am ---- A HDi ecu won't fit a 2.0petrol car
Immobiliser and ECU removed from a 2003 2.0 petrol 206cc
^^^that one seems fine
#57: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:13 am ---- My dad just rang from a local peugeot breaker saying to me not to buy anything till he gets back :S
Will keep post more when I know, Sounds intriguing.
#58: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:45 am ---- OK, well just took the car to the Peugeot independent mechanic, He hooked up the Peugeot world diagnostic. He was unable to communicate with the ECU. He then somehow manually used my vin number or something to to checks. He told me that there was most definatly a short circuit, he also said that the bsi was fine, and the second bsi in the engine bay by the passenger side near the battery was also fine. He then manually check the fuel and if it was coming through which when the car was attempting to start was not going through. HE said to me to check all the wires ( the car is accident repair and the wires are a MESS)!! So here is the curve ball, my dad who is an old school mechanic, is insistent that it is the fuel pump.!!!
#59: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:47 am ---- and he also said injector NO 1 was not working correctly.....
#60: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:54 pm ----
punk wrote:
the car is accident repair and the wires are a MESS
Its taken you to page 4 of the thread to tell us
Front left hand corner been smacked?
Take the wheel arch liner off & check the wiring loom very carefully where it passed through the inner wing.
#61: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:56 pm ---- Yeah would have been an idea to tell us that
Might have a few cracked wires, from the fuse box to the cabin loom
#62: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:14 pm ---- Yeah maybe i should have mentioned that,I am ever so sorry, I took off the ECU today, and tidied up all the wires, checked for any that were cracked or frayed couldn't really find any issues. Then reattached it all. I checked the fuel and if it was coming through to the engine by disconnecting the fuel line from the engine ( in the engine bay, the small clip on bit) and the strangest thing happened. Firstly fuel shot through when the ignition was on, then on the second attempt nothing. So I re attached everything. I then took the keys out and locked up, went inside. Came out an hour later sat in the car and i could hear a small whirring sound coming from behind me ( with no keys in the ignition). Assuming this would be the fuel pump engaging, i disconnected the fuel line in the engine bay again, and fuel shot through. Yet when i go to start the car nothing. I always thought if there was an immobiiser in the car it would shut of the fuel?
#63: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:15 pm ---- Must add before you all shout at me again. I as mentioned before am not very good with electrics, and i checked the wires around the ECU, I wasn't sure where else i needed to check...
#64: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:03 pm ----
punk wrote:
Must add before you all shout at me again. I as mentioned before am not very good with electrics, and i checked the wires around the ECU, I wasn't sure where else i needed to check...
Where abouts was the car damaged in the accident?
#65: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:00 am ---- From what i am aware rear quarter panel, drivers side.
#66: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:32 am ----
punk wrote:
From what i am aware rear quarter panel, drivers side.
Have a good check of the wiring around there as the fuel pump is in that general area.
#67: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:58 am ---- Ok, so as much as I hate to admit it, I'm.calling myself defeated, I gave the the car to a local garage, see if they can find the fault......
#68: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Anjeve, Location: Trinidad W.I.Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:35 am ---- Any Progress at the garage?
#69: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:28 pm ---- They are changing the fuel pump with a known working one, but I won't know till mud week
#70: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:57 am ---- Got a call from the mechanic, he told me that he changed the ECU and the car is having the same problem.... Im somewhat sceptical if the work has even been done, are there any tell tale signs i can llook out for? Like would the millage change on the speedo?
#71: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Danny., Location: PeterboroughPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:36 am ----
punk wrote:
Got a call from the mechanic, he told me that he changed the ECU and the car is having the same problem.... Im somewhat sceptical if the work has even been done, are there any tell tale signs i can llook out for? Like would the millage change on the speedo?
IIRC the mileage would stay the same because it is stored in the speedo cluster... Unless thats just Pre-plexed...
#72: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:39 am ---- The mileage is stored in the bsi and as yours is plexxed would only increased if the speedo was changed for one with higher mileage then that will overite the bsi.
#73: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:55 am ---- Im surre mine is multi plexed... its 03
#74: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: LilLew, Location: PlymouthPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:02 am ---- if they have done the work and replaced parts tell them u want the one that have came out of your car
#75: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:12 am ---- I know you have to change all the above, ECU,BSI, and key chip, im not sure theyv done this all from the same car
im going to go see them later, i havnt had a chance yet, just a phone call
#76: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:31 am ---- Did he change the BSI?
If he says no. Ask him what Eeprom he edited for the immobilser
If he doesn't say FLASH 29F200, then he's a liar because thats where the immobilser is in a 2.0 GTi mux
#77: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:21 am ---- Got the car back today, the battery is completely drained, and the problem has not been solved, the only saving grace is that i wasn't charged anything. My local scrap yard has just called me telling me they have 206cc 2.0 2003 ecu ect. So im going to go down tommorow and pick it up. he wants £115 but should be able to haggle down to 80 because i know him.
also Lee could i swap the stuff over myself? Or do you think i should get someobody to do it? The bsi unit, does it just unclip?
I asked him about what you asked me Lee and he had no idea he just said hed changed them over and they didn't work. I get the feeling he changed it incorrectly ie from the wrong car.
#78: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:24 am ---- Also, sorry Lee, I just found out that injector No1 is not correctly working. ( had the diagnostic done a few days ago and forgot to mention) could that be any kind of influence? When the car does start it seems to run fine.
#79: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:36 am ---- An injector fault shouldn't cause an immobilser problem.
Yeah you could change them over yourself, normally just a few screws and clips.
If he just swapped over the ECU, without anything else or editing the immobiliser coding, then the car wouldn't start and you'd defiantly have the immobilser problem.
When you get the new ecu, bsi, etc. Try and get the vin number as well, for future reference incase you need any keys coding to the car or what to change some settings in the BSI.
#80: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:44 am ---- The guy who did the diagnostic, Said he couldn't get into the ECU and did an diagnostic on other systems ( hence the Injector fault) would it be a fair suggestion to say there must be a fault either between the BSI unit by the footwell and the ECU or the ECU itself?
#81: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance : Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:45 am ---- This really needs scanning with Peugeot Planet
#82: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:50 am ---- The 206 uses the engine ecu to diagnose injector problems. As you have to connect to that to find the faults.
#83: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance : Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:56 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
This really needs scanning with Peugeot Planet
It has been mate. As i said im not great with electronics ect, The guy who did my diagnostic was defiantly using Peugeot plant software as i was in the car with him when he was using it. He was unable to get into the ECU to check the faults. However that being said, he said to me that he was able to check other systems by going to them " around about way" and that he got to them " The way round" or am i being had? He plugged it into the bsi ( bottom right hand corner by right knee"
#84: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:19 am ---- To test using Peugeot Planet, you plug the laptop in the diagnositc port in the fuse box, then you can either run a global test and scan every ecu in the car, or test by each ecu. Either way, the only way he's going to get an injector fault is by accessing the engine ecu
Unless, he manually tested the injectors using a multimeter.
#85: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:25 am ---- No, he only used the Diagnostic. So what do you think then, do you think he was having me on? He couldn't get into the ECU the loading bar wouldn't move.
#86: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:27 am ---- I mean he is telling me he couldn't get into the ECU in the engine ( the main one) yet told me that hes found an injector fault which can only be found by acsessing the ecu...Total mind foooook
#87: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:29 am ---- If you cant access the engine ecu with peugeot planet, its says something like this....
PP2000 cannot communicate with ECU, ECU not configured
I think, but dont quote me on it,.....he's talking bollox
#88: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:31 am ---- YES! Your right Lee im not 100% sure but i am 80% sure that that is what it said or words rto that effect....now that you mentioned it.
So that would suggest there is nothing wrong with the Injector then. Or that he was making it up
#89: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:39 am ---- I just can't think how you can access the injectors without getting into the ecu
If it said that, then the ecu is either faulty, or its not unlocking when you turn the ignition on....hence immobilser fault
#90: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance : Author: Anjeve, Location: Trinidad W.I.Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:00 pm ---- I Have the same problem with a 2002 model. I had it scanned and the mech took out my fuel/ignition relay from under the ecu and had me replace it with a used one......the car started as before. Maybe you could get one from a scrap yard an try it out. The vehicle had a collision on the same right rear as yours.
#91: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance : Author: Anjeve, Location: Trinidad W.I.Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:04 pm ---- Car still starts as of the relay change yesterday
#92: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:38 pm ---- The problem is, that the car is actually displaying immobiliser fault. He couldn't get into the ecu
#93: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance : Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:07 pm ---- Something smells wrong here.
It sounds like something isnt coded correctly.
Do you have the 4 digit alphanumeric access code to get in to the immobiliser system?
Would have been on a blue plastic card with a silver scratch panel.
#94: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:10 pm ---- No i didn't, I only got a key when i brought the car, and the usual pink slip ect.
#95: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:17 pm ----
punk wrote:
No i didn't, I only got a key when i brought the car, and the usual pink slip ect.
PM Lee on here the VIN number as he is a hell of a lot cheaper for the security codes for Pugs then going to a main dealer.
The 4 digit alphanumeric code should unlock the immobiliser & also allow you to check / code the keys.
#96: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance : Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:29 pm ---- I had a similar problem to this on my old HDi. Does the fuel pump prime? You can hear the wirring noise? Is it constantly on, or does it go off after a few seconds? The fuel relay is under the ECU in the engine, you can hear it 'charge' if someone turns the ignition on.
#97: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:57 am ---- Got the car started today, and once started it seemed to start first time every time after, however, the water inlet, where u put the water in was bubbling away like crazy and leaking, this is the first time iv actualy used the car for any length of time. The pressure was unbeleviable it literally blew the top off the water inlet. Water showered me, strange thing was the engine was hot to touch, yet the water that showerd me was both seeding hot and ice cold, I'm thinking either the thermostat is not doing its job or there is a leak. Iv worked on cars a few years now and never seen that kind of pressure. Maybe possible hedpadgasket although there are no tell tale signs.
#98: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:45 pm ---- Iv had enough, thinking of selling the f*****g thing
#99: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:03 pm ---- Sucsess! Totally by accident, a friend was fiddling aboutwith the wires by the ecu, I had worked out that when I could hear the fuel pump prime the car started. Ignition was on and the fuel pump was not priming. Then it did, I asked screamed at my friend what he did, he said nothing. Just moved the wires to get to something else. After fiddling about we could start the car when we needed by putting the wires in a certain position, we could not find any broken wires so it seems strange but non the less true! It must be a loose connector. So the jist of it is, the car is now driveable....woohooo...I'm just going to replace the connectors. BIG THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO HELPED, PARTICULARY LEE AND MR BSI. also, the radiator was not wired up hence the heating issue, but also solved. Would appreciate if th mods would leave this thread for a few more days untill I'm hundred percent sure although 99% this is a Peugeot after all !
#100: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance :( Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:58 am ---- So this is a fuel pump fault?
#101: Re: ECU,BSI, and keys and barrel ring...... Need assitance : Author: punk, Location: BrumPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:06 am ---- No there is a dodgy connection in the wiring to the ECU that wouldnt disconnect the immobiliser. The wiring needs sorting but as of last nite i have had no problems.
Can somebody tell me how manualy retract the roof? I can only find videos on how to put it back up again.
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...anyway enough of the violins, just want to get it sorted..... as no one can actually resolve the problem,
