#1: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Didz, Location: UK, Isle of ManPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:09 pm ---- As stated its another diagnostic ask. i have done a search but cant find what im after. ive gathered from the other threads that my car is not preplexed as i have the skinny stereo stalk.
So what can i expect from the cheap reader/software for example scanner link
as im just after finding simple faults out, does this do the job? for example my abs light just came on, will it say which sensor is at fault?
or my car doesnt idle quite right, will anything pop up for this?
etc etc.
any help towards my descision would be great, nobody over here i can ask round on the cheap, and feel hard of paying a garage if i can buy this for less than the visit.
if only Lee was within driving distance lol
thanks all, dave
#2: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: cartoonhead, Location: North ManchesterPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:14 pm ---- the lead in the link will work as its what i use but the program they send with it is pants but after searching around i found Pro scan 5.9 works great
(used it tonite to scan a fiat stilo)
#3: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:15 pm ---- plex or preplex doesn't have any effect lol
all cheap ebay scanner are only compatiable with OBD2 interface.
#4: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Didz, Location: UK, Isle of ManPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:21 pm ----
Seabook wrote:
plex or preplex doesn't have any effect lol
all cheap ebay scanner are only compatiable with OBD2 interface.
cool, mine is OBD2 though isn't it? 7th pin in scart?
sorry if i sound thick. new to pugs. i do alot of mechanical stuff but electrics iv'e managed to avoid lol
#5: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Didz, Location: UK, Isle of ManPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:22 pm ----
cartoonhead wrote:
the lead in the link will work as its what i use but the program they send with it is pants but after searching around i found Pro scan 5.9 works great
(used it tonite to scan a fiat stilo)
so if i was to buy it im better off just running it straight away with pro scan 5.9? dont even use there software?
and is pro scan 5.9 easy found? freeware?
#6: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: pug206lx, Location: Taking a gearbox off somewherePosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:24 pm ---- What year is it? They changed over in 2000 iirc, It worked on my old X reg 2000 LX. But it won't touch my sisters S reg one.
It'll only do general stuff as well like read / clear fault codes, show any live data that is available, it wont mess with BSI set ups or program keys or anything fancy like that. It also doesnt work with peugeot planet
#7: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Didz, Location: UK, Isle of ManPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:27 pm ---- mine is a 2000 i think.
what kindda stuff did u get it too do/read with Pro 5.9 cartoonhead?
#8: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: cartoonhead, Location: North ManchesterPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:30 pm ---- i just use a elm 327 with proscan 5.9 for basic fault finding
#9: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:33 pm ---- It will only read P codes from the engine ecu, it wont do abs, airbags, alarm, bsi, or anything like that.
You wont be able to program or configure either
#10: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: coopskin, Location: Hull, East YorkshirePosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:33 pm ---- i have one of these cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBay...K:MEWNX:IT
does all i need it to do, scan, diagnose, clear EML light
highly recommend!
#11: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:39 pm ---- I have the same lead, and it came with palmer performance engineering software on CD. Used it a few times and not had a problem.
#12: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Didz, Location: UK, Isle of ManPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:51 pm ---- cheers lads, will see how i go then.
Lee, how would i trace which abs sensor is playing up?
#13: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Didz, Location: UK, Isle of ManPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:54 pm ---- macca, the one you linked says for petrol cars after 2001. yours after that? just mine is defo pre 2001.
#14: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:09 pm ----
Didz wrote:
cheers lads, will see how i go then.
Lee, how would i trace which abs sensor is playing up?
Need to read the live data from the abs system, and see which wheel speed is miles out
#15: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:20 pm ----
Didz wrote:
macca, the one you linked says for petrol cars after 2001. yours after that? just mine is defo pre 2001.
Mines a 2003.
Do you have the OBDII connector in your car? If you don't, I don't think the one you are looking at will work.
#16: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Didz, Location: UK, Isle of ManPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:28 am ---- I have the scartin the fuse box area under steering etc yeah. Needs to have the 7th pin or something does it?
Lee- I take it the software for that is only with the top end kits like yours? Soooooooo wish I lived near you. Don't suppose your a bike fanatic and your over here for TT are you
Lol
#17: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:45 am ----
Didz wrote:
I have the scartin the fuse box area under steering etc yeah. Needs to have the 7th pin or something does it?
Found this in my online manual.
But my car has the 16-pin OBD connector, shouldn't it be OBD-II compliant?
No, not necessarily. A lot of European and Asian manufacturers equipped their vehicles with D-shaped 16-pin connectors long before they began installing OBD-II systems on those vehicles.
I've sent you full subject by FB mail as it is 5 pages long. Tells you how to identify protocol and identify if you are EOBD compliant.
#18: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Didz, Location: UK, Isle of ManPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:47 am ---- thanks macca.
ok according to maccas info mine isnt OBD II as im missing pins 2 & 10. correct?
mine VV
but i did see a listing (although it was ebay) stating i only need pin 7 to identify use for that tool.
Any help?
Lee if not OBD II is there something else i can use? (even if just for P codes)
thanks for this lads, i appreciate your time.
#19: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:09 am ---- May as well ask my question in this thread to save starting another (sorry OP)
What reader do I need for a 1998 (S reg) 1.1 206?
#20: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:39 am ---- Just found this on another forum
Quote:
Originally Posted by $$$$ View Post
Thanks for replying...
I thought that my car wasn't ODBII compliant?
i believe from 96 or 98, all cars are OBDII compliant as a standard...its the protocol to communicate that differs in cars.
Now it's all getting complicated, some say 2001 others 1996. From what I have read elsewhere, the Lexia 3 will do it, but they start at about £100.
#21: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Didz, Location: UK, Isle of ManPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:59 am ---- oooh £100. would need to be 100% sure to splash that tbh.
#22: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:11 am ---- Right lets set things straight. OBDII is American same with OBDI. It was a law for American car's from 1996.
EOBD is the European equivalent and it was a law from 2001 for Petrols and 2004 for Diesels.
A lot of manufactures introduced it at a earlier stage than the legal requirement to enable them to mass produce cars.
In general european cars use the ISO and KWP protocol pins 4, 5, 7, 15 and 16.
Scanners that will read ABS and other things are more expensive than the cheap ones that read P-Codes. Depends how much you want to spend, Sealey sell some neat tools
#23: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: stevedude, Location: aldershotPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:39 pm ---- er how come ive only got 6 pins in mine?
its a 2L hdi 03 plate
#24: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:55 pm ---- Looks like its either ISO 9141-2 or KWP2000 (ISO 14230) protocol.
Pin 4 = Chassis ground
Pin 5 = Signal ground
Pin 7 = ISO 9141-2 K Line and ISO/DIS 14230-4
Pin 16 = +12 volts
What you gonna use to scan it?
#25: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:00 pm ---- that's OBD I interface
#26: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: stevedude, Location: aldershotPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:06 pm ---- ive no idea mrbsi?
is that bad seabook?
so what CHEAP scanner can i use to read this car?
#27: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:13 pm ----
stevedude wrote:
ive no idea mrbsi?
is that bad seabook?
so what CHEAP scanner can i use to read this car?
Being a 2003 car technically it might not be compatible with a cheap scanner.
I have read & cleared engine fault codes on a W reg 306 2.0 HDI with my cheap RAC branded scanner.
Know anybody that has a cheap scanner you could try before buying one?
#28: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: stevedude, Location: aldershotPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:16 pm ---- a**e, sadly i dont know anyone who would have a scanner
#29: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:41 pm ---- Diesels are a real pain when it comes to diagnostic kits and pre-2004 are a nightmare.
In the end I bought a Sealey VS863 unit which cost me over £200!!! Luckily it works with a lot of other cars so it's going to pay back in time. Our 1.4 HDi is 2002 with the Multiplex electronics and didn't work with anything. Even a local "peugoet/citroen specialist" had problems getting the reasons for an airbag light (and don't even get me started on how much the patr was to fix that!!). This Sealey was sold as compatible .. which it is. Also works with the Renault Clio 1.5dCi and should work with the 2001 206CC 2.0 my daughter has just bought.
When you consider that taking it to a dealer probably costs £80-90 each time for them to give you all sorts of bu11s*** about what's wrong, then that £200 was well spent. Three goes and it's paid for itself .. but it hurt buying it!
#30: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: stevedude, Location: aldershotPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:46 pm ---- i cant pay that dont have it lol
#31: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: stevedude, Location: aldershotPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:54 pm ---- gazza, why didnt you try pug planet if ya was spending that much?
#32: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:09 pm ----
stevedude wrote:
gazza, why didnt you try pug planet if ya was spending that much?
It's amazing how many people f*** their car up when they have dealer software and don't know what they are doing. because it's so easy when they think "oh lets try this to see what this does"
Also its ISO 9141 - 2
#33: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: kenny16m, Location: LlantrisantPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:11 pm ---- Any one bought a peugeot planet cable from ebay? they any good?
#34: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:42 pm ---- Will be the chinese clone, don't have as many functions and the software is pretty unstable. Wouldn't do any coding with them
#35: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: stevedude, Location: aldershotPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:14 pm ---- so would pug planet even work on my car?
#36: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: stevedude, Location: aldershotPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:15 pm ---- so would pug planet even work on my car?
#37: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:23 am ---- isnt peugeot planet the one to get
#38: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:55 am ----
stevedude wrote:
so would pug planet even work on my car?
Yes as basically it was the official Peugeot kit.
#39: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: kenny16m, Location: LlantrisantPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:04 am ---- So wheres the best place to get a cable from ive got the program
#40: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:52 pm ----
stevedude wrote:
gazza, why didnt you try pug planet if ya was spending that much?
'because this works with a wide range of cars ... and I asked before on here (prior to the crash) and didn't get that as a response!
#41: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: stevedude, Location: aldershotPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:53 pm ----
gazza82 wrote:
stevedude wrote:
gazza, why didnt you try pug planet if ya was spending that much?
'because this works with a wide range of cars ... and I asked before on here (prior to the crash) and didn't get that as a response!
oh i see lol
#42: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 8:39 am ---- ... except our latest addition to the family apparently ... a March 2001 206CC ...
The Sealey VS863 wouldn't even connect even though it shows the RFN engine in the menu. I'll try updating the software though as I found some patches on their website today.
... but a cheapo ELM323 interface and Gendan's EngineCheck LE on my old laptop does! I was able to reset the engine management light but it didn't show up any fault codes, which should be good news.
#43: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 12:10 pm ----
gazza82 wrote:
... except our latest addition to the family apparently ... a March 2001 206CC ...
The Sealey VS863 wouldn't even connect even though it shows the RFN engine in the menu. I'll try updating the software though as I found some patches on their website today.
... but a cheapo ELM323 interface and Gendan's EngineCheck LE on my old laptop does! I was able to reset the engine management light but it didn't show up any fault codes, which should be good news.
No it's not. It means there's a fault else where that the device isn't capable of reading
#44: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:26 am ---- Oops!
Shouldn't be too surprised. I replaced the rear brake discs and pads last night ... they look like the originals from 2001!!!
Peugeot logo on pads which had between 1 and 2mm of pad material left!
Just waiting for front discs and pads to arrive and they will also get replaced.
#45: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: Username, Location: NewportPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:12 am ----
You have pin 2 (Bus+ J1850 Protocol), pin 10 (Bus J1850) & pin 8 (NC) missing. European protocols run on pins 7 & 15 which are pin 7 (K-LINE ISO9141-2) & pin 15 (L-LINE ISO 9141-2)
OBD-II Signal Protocols
There are five signaling protocols that are permitted with the OBD-II interface. Most vehicles implement only one of the protocols. It is often possible to deduce the protocol used based on which pins are present on the J1962 connector:
* SAE J1850 PWM (pulse-width modulation - 41.6 kB/sec, standard of the Ford Motor Company)
o pin 2: Bus+
o pin 10: Bus–
o High voltage is +5 V
o Message length is restricted to 12 bytes, including CRC
o Employs a multi-master arbitration scheme called 'Carrier Sense Multiple Access with Non-Destructive Arbitration' (CSMA/NDA)
* SAE J1850 VPW (variable pulse width - 10.4/41.6 kB/sec, standard of General Motors)
o pin 2: Bus+
o Bus idles low
o High voltage is +7 V
o Decision point is +3.5 V
o Message length is restricted to 12 bytes, including CRC
o Employs CSMA/NDA
* ISO 9141-2. This protocol has an asynchronous serial data rate of 10.4 kBaud. It is somewhat similar to RS-232, however the signal levels are different, and communications happens on a single, bidirectional line without additional handshake signals. ISO 9141-2 is primarily used in Chrysler, European, and Asian vehicles.
o pin 7: K-line
o pin 15: L-line (optional)
o UART signaling
o K-line idles high, with a 510 ohm resistor to Vbatt
o The active/dominant state is driven low with an open-collector driver.
o Message length is restricted to 12 bytes, including CRC
* ISO 14230 KWP2000 (Keyword Protocol 2000)
o pin 7: K-line
o pin 15: L-line (optional)
o Physical layer identical to ISO 9141-2
o Data rate 1.2 to 10.4 kBaud
o Message may contain up to 255 bytes in the data field
* ISO 15765 CAN (250 kBit/s or 500 kBit/s). The CAN protocol was developed by Bosch for automotive and industrial control. Unlike other OBD protocols, variants are widely use outside of the automotive industry. While it did not meet the OBD-II requirements for U.S. vehicles prior to 2003, as of 2008 all vehicles sold in the US are required to implement CAN as one of their signaling protocols.
o pin 6: CAN High
o pin 14: CAN Low
All OBDII pinouts use the same connector but different pins are utilized with the exception of pin 4 (battery ground) and pin 16 (battery positive).
Hope this helps
#46: Re: Diagnostic reader/cable. opinions and info please Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:33 am ----
Lee wrote:
gazza82 wrote:
... except our latest addition to the family apparently ... a March 2001 206CC ...
The Sealey VS863 wouldn't even connect even though it shows the RFN engine in the menu. I'll try updating the software though as I found some patches on their website today.
... but a cheapo ELM323 interface and Gendan's EngineCheck LE on my old laptop does! I was able to reset the engine management light but it didn't show up any fault codes, which should be good news.
No it's not. It means there's a fault else where that the device isn't capable of reading
Oddly the Sealey has started to work on the 206CC! We're getting the odd MIL due to a fault about the cat efficiency, and it's now able to read the fault and clear them and the MIL.
Still saving up for Lexia cable, but the Alfa keeps draining the money pot!
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