#1: New Remote Locking Fob Author: bharrison89, Location: Blackpool, LancashirePosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:31 am ---- Hopefully some here can help me.
I’m aware there are many guides on here and elsewhere on the internet on how to "resync" a remote key.
However these guides don’t apply to my situation I don’t think.
After loosing my original remote key, I had a flat key that opened doors and started the car. I have since upgraded to a remote key that I bought off the teebay (Used). I have swapped the blade and immobiliser transponder so now I have a remote key that opens the door by the key and starts the engine.
However I cannot get the remote locking to sync. A mate has run it on lexia3 and he says the fob is sending a signal to the BSI, but the signal is not identified.
How do I get the signal to identify? Does the key need reprogramming, if so why? As I say the transponder is starting the car fine. Does the BSI need to be put into some kind of programming mode to programme a remote key?
I have been told that the remote chip inside the key is simply a frequency. There is no uniqueness to the chip. You simply need to get the car to tune into the frequency.
Not being a car techy forgive me if I sound like an absolute tool
#2: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Jay794, Location: Sheffield/Chesterfield/DronfieldPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:06 am ---- Ask Lee, he knows all
#3: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:11 am ----
bharrison89 wrote:
After loosing my original remote key, I had a flat key that opened doors and started the car. I have since upgraded to a remote key that I bought off the teebay (Used). I have swapped the blade and immobiliser transponder so now I have a remote key that opens the door by the key and starts the engine.
However I cannot get the remote locking to sync. A mate has run it on lexia3 and he says the fob is sending a signal to the BSI, but the signal is not identified.
How do I get the signal to identify? Does the key need reprogramming, if so why?
1) Is it the correct fob for the car as there are 2 different types for multiplex 206's like yours.
2) A new / replacement remote fob needs coding to the BSI with Peugeot Planet / Lexia FIRST before it will ever work.
Get your mate to code the remote fob in correctly ( if its the right one! ) you will need the 4 digit alphanumeric access code to get the BSI in to key coding mode, blue plastic code card with a silver scratch panel, should have come with the car.
I will get him to run it through lexia. I'll have to pop down to the pug dealer to get my 4 digit code, it never came with car as i bought it used. A small charge i reckon.
I'm not 100% sure that the fob is the correct one, maybe the pug dealer could tell me the required part number? I have "73373067c".
I'll get this stuff sorted and come back to you guys.
Thanks for your help!
#5: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:40 am ----
bharrison89 wrote:
I will get him to run it through lexia. I'll have to pop down to the pug dealer to get my 4 digit code, it never came with car as i bought it used. A small charge i reckon.
PM Lee on here, he can get the codes for you a hell of a lot cheaper then Peugeot can
#6: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:46 am ----
bharrison89 wrote:
I'm not 100% sure that the fob is the correct one, maybe the pug dealer could tell me the required part number? I have "73373067c".
73373067c isnt a valid Peugeot / Citroen part number.
It should be one of these part numbers:
6554 YL / 6554 YQ for 206's with NO factory fitted front fog lights.
6554 YR / 6554 YV for 206's with front fog lights.
Once Lee has your VIN he can look it up on Peugeot Service Box & tell you the correct part number for your car
#7: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: bharrison89, Location: Blackpool, LancashirePosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:48 am ---- God, i was 5 minutes from setting off to the dealer. They want £25.00 plus VAT.
It's got fogs, so i presume its... 6554 YR or 6554 YV
I'v PM'd Lee, so i'll await his reply.
Thanks again, your help is much appreciated! Last edited by bharrison89 on Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:52 am; edited 1 time in total
#8: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:50 am ---- He should be on later this evening.
Shame you aint nearer to him, he is a whizz with Peugeot Planet
#9: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: bharrison89, Location: Blackpool, LancashirePosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:56 am ---- He's a good few hours drive. I presume he's in Sheffield? Might have to suggest to the Mrs we take a weekend over there
#10: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:00 am ----
bharrison89 wrote:
It's got fogs, so i presume its... 6554 YR or 6554 YV
6554 YR is the standard remote fob that would have come with the car originally.
6554 YV is the extended range version, must be a recent added upgrade to the parts listings.
#11: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:37 am ---- 73373067c is the circuit board
#12: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: bharrison89, Location: Blackpool, LancashirePosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:44 am ---- Thank the lord... I have the right board I'm gonna get my mate to run it through Lexia see if he can do it. Push comes to shuv ill get hold of PP and use his leads.
Thanks Lee
#13: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:46 am ---- Lexia is Citroen not Peugeot.
I was in Blackpool at the weekend, could have done it for you
#14: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: bharrison89, Location: Blackpool, LancashirePosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:03 pm ---- Nooooooooooo........ What were the chances of that! O well, ill get my mate to give it ago.
He managed to get Lexia to read the BSI ect. by telling Lexia my 206 was a C2. Maybe not the best way of doing things....
Ill get a copy of PP and let him do it that way.
Any plans to be over in B-Town again?
#15: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:05 pm ----
bharrison89 wrote:
He managed to get Lexia to read the BSI ect. by telling Lexia my 206 was a C2. Maybe not the best way of doing things....
I know the com2000 unit on a C2 is wired up differently to a 206
Sounds like it really needs planet to read it correctly.
#16: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: bharrison89, Location: Blackpool, LancashirePosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:28 pm ---- I'll take your advice. Ill get a copy of PP. Cheers
#17: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:58 pm ---- Depends on how long the good weather stays
#18: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: bharrison89, Location: Blackpool, LancashirePosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:03 pm ---- Was nice this weekend wasn't it. Well i gonna try an become an active member here, so drop a hint when your next coming over to sunny btown.
#19: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: bharrison89, Location: Blackpool, LancashirePosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:03 am ---- Okay Hi,
I’ve managed to get it run on PP2000
I’ve gone through the key programming function with my existing transponder chip and it said it completed fine, I then follows the sync steps to no avail.
Is there another function on PP I should be using?
Situation remains the same:
• Car reads the key as an unidentified signal
• Car says it has 1 transponder key coded
• Car says it has 0 remote keys programmed
Parameters say that the BSI is locked... Should it not be unlocked to learn a new remote key?
Any help greatly appreciated
#20: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:05 am ---- Dont you need to access the 4 digit alpha numeric security code to gain access to key coding in the BSI?
#21: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: bharrison89, Location: Blackpool, LancashirePosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:29 am ---- Sure have.
I'v already tried the PP key programming function to no avail. But maybe i'm missing somthing...
#22: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: bharrison89, Location: Blackpool, LancashirePosted: Tue May 03, 2011 2:42 pm ---- Okay, i'm proper clutching at straws now
Even though my flat key transponder chip is coded (which starts the car fine). If i was to programme a new remote locking key would i also need a virgin transponder chip?
I currently have my old flat key transponder in the remote key.
I have now tried everything i can think of, i'v been thought the PP2000 key learning about 10 times to no avail. This is the last thought
Any advice anyone?
#23: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 4:53 pm ---- Each key you want to start the car needs its own transponder chip coded to the car.
#24: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:19 am ---- Hi guys,
I'm exactly in the same situation: bought the car without the remote fob key, the previous owner gave me only the flat key. So I bought an used key, also few virgin transponder chips and program the key to the car. Everything works OK except the remote fob which I cannot synchronize. I have lexia interface and Diagbox software and tried a lot but could not find a solution. Within the BSI settings I saw I can set the key type: old type without fog lights, old type with fog lights, new type without fog lights, new type with fog lights. My original setting was "old type without fog lights" and I changed it in "new type with fog lights" (I presumed that new/old means preMUX / mux, and I just installed fog lights which originally were not fitted).
By reading the previous posts I presume that's why there are 4 codes for the keys - so I should set the right key type then try to synchronize. The question is: how can I find what's the part number of the key I bought?
Thanks!
#25: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: gazza82, Location: South BucksPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:20 am ---- Lee can make you a transponder chip for you car .. he did one for me.
I'm waiting for my cables to arrive so I can try PP and code it to the car.
#26: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:41 am ----
gazza82 wrote:
Lee can make you a transponder chip for you car .. he did one for me.
I'm waiting for my cables to arrive so I can try PP and code it to the car.
Thanks, but I already coded one new transponder chip to work with the key I bought. The issue is with the remote fob; I have to find what type is the key and set it to BSI.... or if I'll have time I'll try with each option, since I already covered 2 of them with no luck so far
#27: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:48 am ---- Still couldn't make the remote to work... I tried with all 4 options within the BSI configuration, since I presumed that I just have to find the right one corresponding to the key I bought. Unfortunately no success so far.
So should I search for something broken (the remote, the car) or should I try again (maybe I didn't follow the synch instructions) ... or there is no chance to make a second hand remote fob to work? Does anyone knows how to identify which type is the key I bought (there is no PN written on it, only a SN on the remote's PCB)?
Does anyone knows if the transponder chip I had to change (PCF7936 T14 Transponder Philips Crypto 2 ID46) is used only to start the engine, or also to identify the remote?
Does anyone really made a second hand remote to work? Is it another menu within PP I missed?
#28: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 2:23 pm ---- Hi,
Problem is still not solved, so I add some more info. I changed more COM2000 units, so it seems the problem is somewhere else. The BSI-ul does not detect any RF signal, even if I tried with more keys. Theoretically it should "feel" if it received an unknown signal (not only from a synchronized key), but it does not detect anything.
Below there are some screenshots (click on each picture to see the original size). Maybe somebody will have an ideea...
Here it is the COM2000 unit identification:
Remote type (I tried all 4 types but nothing changed):
Details about the 4 remote types:
BSI did not detect any signal even if I pressed the buttons of more keys:
In COM2000 parameters, it appears the RF reception is not activated (??? how could I activate it?):
Not activated even when the key is not present:
Remote's battery is good (anyway, I tried with more keys):
The BSI Identification:
Any ideea, opinion, suggestion or question is welocome.
#29: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 2:35 pm ---- Is the fob PCB new or used?
#30: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 2:43 pm ---- I tried with more used remote PCB. But this is not the FLIP type key, the transponder chip is lose (not soldered to the board). Last edited by manu_cyb on Sun May 27, 2012 2:51 pm; edited 1 time in total
#31: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 2:45 pm ---- There's your problem....you'll need a new PCB. Transponder should be loose.
#32: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 3:05 pm ---- Thanks... Could you explain more? Synchronisation process writes something on the remote's PCB? Or why should it be new? I know this happens to the newer keys (flip style) with soldered transponder, but it's the same for the non-flip style?
Can the information on the remote's PCB be rewritten somehow? I know the transponder chip (ID46) can be written only once, but what's the remote's way of work?
On the other hand, why my BSI did not recognize not even a non-identified signal? I'm tempted to believe the problem is on the car's side...
That's the way the two key types I'm talking about looks:
#33: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 3:25 pm ---- Transponder and RCL PCB are two separate entities on a Peugeot 206.
Transponder can only be wrote once and not coded to another car.
RCL PCB contains its own unique coding as well as coding set by PP when coding the ID46.
If you buy a virgin RCL PCB it will work.
#34: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 3:37 pm ---- So when a new PCB is first time synchronized with the BSI, something is also written to the PCB (and can not be reused with another car)?
That could explain the fact an used remote could not be coded again... but why isn't its signal detected as "unidentified" by the BSI? Or the BSI detects only the synchronised and the "virgin" signals?
#35: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: elted, Location: DublinPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 3:50 am ---- I had same problem.
The fix was simple, I was trying to code the new remote fob as Key One, you must keep the old (non remote key) as key one and then programme the new key as Key 2.
As my 15 year old daughter would say "Simples"
Although it took me about 2 months and many different fobs to work it out.
#36: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 5:19 am ---- Thanks - it would be great to be so simple
Question: The remote you coded was a new one (never synchronised with another car), or was previously used (with another car) ?
For me the problem is already older than 5 month
#37: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: elted, Location: DublinPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 7:56 am ---- Bought fob with circuit board and transponder from Hickleys for about £40.
#38: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:14 am ---- So, as Lee said, only a new board could be synchronized
I bought few used keys and since now could not re-use their remote circuit board...
With my Ford was far much easy... just followed a simple procedure and coded any remote to lock / unlock the doors (no matter it's new or used).
#39: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:49 am ----
#40: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:04 am ---- I keep asking around and a guy told me that actually I need a set of new PCB + Transponder. He suggested that the original transponder holds the remote data so if you swap the transponder, the data will be incorrect and it will not sync. Makes sense but... is it somewhere any official documentation?
Finally I would give it a chance and buy a new board (even if I suspect there is something wrong also with the car, since the live data shows that the BSI did not recognize any unidentified signal, even if I pressed the keys of more remotes).
But what should I buy? Only the board, or both the board + the transponder?
I looked on Hickleys website and it seems the cheapest fob is around £60... not so cheap in my opinion.
#41: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:26 am ----
manu_cyb wrote:
I looked on Hickleys website and it seems the cheapest fob is around £60... not so cheap in my opinion.
Go price up a replacement key for a Renault or Mercedes then you would be moaning, £60 is cheap for a new remote locking fob.
Peugeot part number 6554 YL is the remote key fob you need for your 206 & its £67.14 including the VAT from any Peugeot / Citroen main dealer.
You would also need to show photo ID & proof of ownership for the car before they would order / supply it.
#42: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:46 am ----
manu_cyb wrote:
I keep asking around and a guy told me that actually I need a set of new PCB + Transponder. He suggested that the original transponder holds the remote data so if you swap the transponder, the data will be incorrect and it will not sync. Makes sense but... is it somewhere any official documentation?
Finally I would give it a chance and buy a new board (even if I suspect there is something wrong also with the car, since the live data shows that the BSI did not recognize any unidentified signal, even if I pressed the keys of more remotes).
But what should I buy? Only the board, or both the board + the transponder?
I looked on Hickleys website and it seems the cheapest fob is around £60... not so cheap in my opinion.
Isn't that what I told you???
#43: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 12:48 pm ----
Lee wrote:
Isn't that what I told you???
Yes, but first I presumed I could buy only the board (cheaper), not the entire fob with board & transponder...
MrBSI wrote:
Go price up a replacement key for a Renault or Mercedes then you would be moaning, £60 is cheap for a new remote locking fob.
Peugeot part number 6554 YL is the remote key fob you need for your 206 & its £67.14 including the VAT from any Peugeot / Citroen main dealer.
Thanks... my problem is that I'm also not sure that the car side is OK: live data in PP shows no RF signal is recognized while I was pressing buttons from different remotes, not even as not identified signal. So just to test it, £67.14 seems a lot...
<<-- click on thumbnail to view the original size picture
Thanks everybody for all answers so far. Do you know if it is any way to test if the car is OK, before buying a virgin fob?
#44: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Deckchair5, Location: Bath UKPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:09 pm ---- To check if the car is receiving and capable of receiving signal
You need to go into the com 2000 screen- look at the tree on the left in the pic here to find your way there
When you press a remote button- either lock or unlock- then the description should change from "not activated" to " in progress" for a few seconds whilst it's being interrogated, even if the key doing the asking is totally the wrong key. If you see that happen then you know the receiver is working and getting a signal which is what you're after
If nothing on screen happens then it could of course be either the remote not putting out or the car not able to receive but as your car has decided the remote battery is good then it is receiving a good strength signal
#45: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:49 pm ---- Thanks for the hint!
I was in this menu but I presumed that "activation of reception" is a setting, not a status:
I'll try again to press on a remote button while being in this menu to check what's going on.
Thanks !
#46: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Snoozy206, Location: TelfordPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:37 am ---- Please, what was the final conclusion?
How can a remote fob transmitter 'know' it has been used on another car?
Programming a new transponder does not know if it is in a remote or non remote key because the transmitter is not active at transponder programming time.
I assume the BSI has to be informed of the remote transmitter by pressing at least one of the rob buttons - hence the BSI remote key synchronisation sequence (which doesn't work for me). Bye the way, that sequence is ambiguous - line 4 says "KEEP the lock button pressed for 10 seconds" but the button has not yet been pressed. It should say "press and HOLD ..." if that is what is intended.
Thanks
#47: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:36 pm ---- Hi,
I have no explanation but I presume that there are two possibilities:
- the original transponder has some extra info and when the remote synch process is initiated, the transponder is checked for the matching with the fob
- remote board has its own chip which may be used only one time (same as the transponder).
So whatever the answer, after it is coded to one car, it can only be synchronized with the same car, not with another one.
I also have one question.
I found this key: www.ebay.de/itm/180880828342
Does anyone knows for sure (tested, or studied, not only presuming) if the remote fob compatible with the old style fobs (let's say 6554 YR for example) ?
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I'm gonna get my mate to run it through Lexia see if he can do it. Push comes to shuv ill get hold of PP and use his leads.
