#31: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 2:45 pm ---- There's your problem....you'll need a new PCB. Transponder should be loose.
#32: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 3:05 pm ---- Thanks... Could you explain more? Synchronisation process writes something on the remote's PCB? Or why should it be new? I know this happens to the newer keys (flip style) with soldered transponder, but it's the same for the non-flip style?
Can the information on the remote's PCB be rewritten somehow? I know the transponder chip (ID46) can be written only once, but what's the remote's way of work?
On the other hand, why my BSI did not recognize not even a non-identified signal? I'm tempted to believe the problem is on the car's side...
That's the way the two key types I'm talking about looks:
#33: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 3:25 pm ---- Transponder and RCL PCB are two separate entities on a Peugeot 206.
Transponder can only be wrote once and not coded to another car.
RCL PCB contains its own unique coding as well as coding set by PP when coding the ID46.
If you buy a virgin RCL PCB it will work.
#34: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 3:37 pm ---- So when a new PCB is first time synchronized with the BSI, something is also written to the PCB (and can not be reused with another car)?
That could explain the fact an used remote could not be coded again... but why isn't its signal detected as "unidentified" by the BSI? Or the BSI detects only the synchronised and the "virgin" signals?
#35: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: elted, Location: DublinPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 3:50 am ---- I had same problem.
The fix was simple, I was trying to code the new remote fob as Key One, you must keep the old (non remote key) as key one and then programme the new key as Key 2.
As my 15 year old daughter would say "Simples"
Although it took me about 2 months and many different fobs to work it out.
#36: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 5:19 am ---- Thanks - it would be great to be so simple
Question: The remote you coded was a new one (never synchronised with another car), or was previously used (with another car) ?
For me the problem is already older than 5 month
#37: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: elted, Location: DublinPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 7:56 am ---- Bought fob with circuit board and transponder from Hickleys for about £40.
#38: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:14 am ---- So, as Lee said, only a new board could be synchronized
I bought few used keys and since now could not re-use their remote circuit board...
With my Ford was far much easy... just followed a simple procedure and coded any remote to lock / unlock the doors (no matter it's new or used).
#39: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:49 am ----
#40: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:04 am ---- I keep asking around and a guy told me that actually I need a set of new PCB + Transponder. He suggested that the original transponder holds the remote data so if you swap the transponder, the data will be incorrect and it will not sync. Makes sense but... is it somewhere any official documentation?
Finally I would give it a chance and buy a new board (even if I suspect there is something wrong also with the car, since the live data shows that the BSI did not recognize any unidentified signal, even if I pressed the keys of more remotes).
But what should I buy? Only the board, or both the board + the transponder?
I looked on Hickleys website and it seems the cheapest fob is around £60... not so cheap in my opinion.
#41: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:26 am ----
manu_cyb wrote:
I looked on Hickleys website and it seems the cheapest fob is around £60... not so cheap in my opinion.
Go price up a replacement key for a Renault or Mercedes then you would be moaning, £60 is cheap for a new remote locking fob.
Peugeot part number 6554 YL is the remote key fob you need for your 206 & its £67.14 including the VAT from any Peugeot / Citroen main dealer.
You would also need to show photo ID & proof of ownership for the car before they would order / supply it.
#42: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:46 am ----
manu_cyb wrote:
I keep asking around and a guy told me that actually I need a set of new PCB + Transponder. He suggested that the original transponder holds the remote data so if you swap the transponder, the data will be incorrect and it will not sync. Makes sense but... is it somewhere any official documentation?
Finally I would give it a chance and buy a new board (even if I suspect there is something wrong also with the car, since the live data shows that the BSI did not recognize any unidentified signal, even if I pressed the keys of more remotes).
But what should I buy? Only the board, or both the board + the transponder?
I looked on Hickleys website and it seems the cheapest fob is around £60... not so cheap in my opinion.
Isn't that what I told you???
#43: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 12:48 pm ----
Lee wrote:
Isn't that what I told you???
Yes, but first I presumed I could buy only the board (cheaper), not the entire fob with board & transponder...
MrBSI wrote:
Go price up a replacement key for a Renault or Mercedes then you would be moaning, £60 is cheap for a new remote locking fob.
Peugeot part number 6554 YL is the remote key fob you need for your 206 & its £67.14 including the VAT from any Peugeot / Citroen main dealer.
Thanks... my problem is that I'm also not sure that the car side is OK: live data in PP shows no RF signal is recognized while I was pressing buttons from different remotes, not even as not identified signal. So just to test it, £67.14 seems a lot...
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Thanks everybody for all answers so far. Do you know if it is any way to test if the car is OK, before buying a virgin fob?
#44: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: Deckchair5, Location: Bath UKPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:09 pm ---- To check if the car is receiving and capable of receiving signal
You need to go into the com 2000 screen- look at the tree on the left in the pic here to find your way there
When you press a remote button- either lock or unlock- then the description should change from "not activated" to " in progress" for a few seconds whilst it's being interrogated, even if the key doing the asking is totally the wrong key. If you see that happen then you know the receiver is working and getting a signal which is what you're after
If nothing on screen happens then it could of course be either the remote not putting out or the car not able to receive but as your car has decided the remote battery is good then it is receiving a good strength signal
#45: Re: New Remote Locking Fob Author: manu_cyb, Location: ROPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:49 pm ---- Thanks for the hint!
I was in this menu but I presumed that "activation of reception" is a setting, not a status:
I'll try again to press on a remote button while being in this menu to check what's going on.
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