#1: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Mon May 09, 2011 12:16 pm ---- Hi guys,
My first post here after reading quite a lot on the problem I am having.
My car is experiencing the cutting out problem which has happened twice now both whilst the car was travelling between 30 and 40 mph. It seems to loose all power with no drive to the wheels but the rev counter still moves.
I have removed the ICV to give it a clean but I have either damaged it or it was already damaged beforehand I'm not sure. The plunger came out in my hand as I was testing it going in and out. I've probably been a bit heavy handed.
The one I removed had this written on it: - SB35/00 S1684
& the one I bought is B35/00 so the guy said it should be ok.
I should receive it tomorrow so fingers crossed it works and that was the problem in the 1st place.
#2: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Tue May 10, 2011 4:29 am ---- The new ICV turned up today and it seems to work fine. I suppose time will tell if that has fixed the problem or not.
#3: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Tue May 10, 2011 4:59 am ---- On a side note I was going to change the fuel filter as its never been changed in the time I have owned the car.
I was just wondering whereabouts it was.
Is it within the fuel tank on these cars or under the seats somewhere?
The car is a 1.4litre, 54 plate.
#4: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 5:26 am ----
finners wrote:
On a side note I was going to change the fuel filter as its never been changed in the time I have owned the car.
I was just wondering whereabouts it was.
Is it within the fuel tank on these cars or under the seats somewhere?
The car is a 1.4litre, 54 plate.
Its a self cleaning unit inside the tank, leave it alone is the official Peugeot answer
#5: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:03 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
finners wrote:
On a side note I was going to change the fuel filter as its never been changed in the time I have owned the car.
I was just wondering whereabouts it was.
Is it within the fuel tank on these cars or under the seats somewhere?
The car is a 1.4litre, 54 plate.
Its a self cleaning unit inside the tank, leave it alone is the official Peugeot answer
Excellent news, saves me a job I suppose
#6: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Tue May 10, 2011 9:12 am ---- I have been reading that it might be the coil pack causing the problem. I am assuming this is quite an expensive part and was wondering if there was any way of making sure it was working ok, i.e can it be cleaned or serviced?
I have just ordered some new Bosch Super 4 spark plugs and as you have to remove the coil pack to get to the plugs I thought I might as well ask.
cheers
#7: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 4:09 pm ----
finners wrote:
I have been reading that it might be the coil pack causing the problem. I am assuming this is quite an expensive part and was wondering if there was any way of making sure it was working ok, i.e can it be cleaned or serviced?
I have just ordered some new Bosch Super 4 spark plugs and as you have to remove the coil pack to get to the plugs I thought I might as well ask.
cheers
When you remove the coil pack, see if it has SAGEM on it as the makers name, if it has you need a new coil.
I get the feeling your gonna find some nasty NGK spark plugs fitted
#8: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Tue May 10, 2011 4:54 pm ----
MrBSI wrote:
finners wrote:
I have been reading that it might be the coil pack causing the problem. I am assuming this is quite an expensive part and was wondering if there was any way of making sure it was working ok, i.e can it be cleaned or serviced?
I have just ordered some new Bosch Super 4 spark plugs and as you have to remove the coil pack to get to the plugs I thought I might as well ask.
cheers
When you remove the coil pack, see if it has SAGEM on it as the makers name, if it has you need a new coil.
I get the feeling your gonna find some nasty NGK spark plugs fitted
Whats the best coil pack to go for do you know? I have just done a quick search on eBay are there are loads.
#9: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 4:56 pm ---- Bouricord OR Electrofil
Match the colour of the connector plug up on your car, it will be either grey or black, they aint interchangeable!
There is also a wiring mod to look for.
There is a supressor fitted to pin 4 of the coil pack connector plug.
Peugeot / Citroen part number 6555 K9
#10: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Wed May 11, 2011 4:32 am ---- Are these makes available on eBay do you know or do I need to source them from elsewhere?
Also with this Mod you mention will the new coil pack have this already or is this something extra I need to do myself?
Thanks
#11: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:36 am ---- The supressor mod depends on what was done on the car under the 3 year Peugeot warranty when it was new, if it went back for running issues then it might already be fitted, it might already have a decent coil pack on it.
Until you have a look I cant say.
Dont buy a new coil pack until you have looked at the one already fitted on your engine.
#12: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Wed May 11, 2011 7:04 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
The supressor mod depends on what was done on the car under the 3 year Peugeot warranty when it was new, if it went back for running issues then it might already be fitted, it might already have a decent coil pack on it.
Until you have a look I cant say.
Dont buy a new coil pack until you have looked at the one already fitted on your engine.
Thanks for the info MrBSI, I hopefully should get my new spark plugs tomorrow so I will take a look then.
btw I went out in the car earlier and it started to stall again whilst I was doing very low speeds. The engine light came on and it appeared like it was going to stall but didnt, but on other occasions it did.
So it might not have been the ICV fault in the first place.
#13: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:46 pm ---- Could be software
Could be silicone on the engine ecu connectors, Peugeot put this on at the factory to stop corrosion BUT it hardens as it ages & cause electrical problems so the advice is to clean it of again, give them a good squirt with brake cleaner.
Could be NGK spark plugs.
#14: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Fri May 13, 2011 8:50 am ---- I now have my Bosch Super 4 plugs and will fit them tomorrow.
One thing I noticed on the box it says the electrode gap is pre set. I read somewhere it needs to be 0.9, so I was wondering if I have to set the gap myself or just leave them as is? Last edited by finners on Fri May 13, 2011 12:09 pm; edited 1 time in total
#15: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: roberto.f, Location: Coventry/ManchesterPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 8:53 am ---- Yeah you can just leave them. iirc Super 4's can't be adjusted anyway.
#16: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Fri May 13, 2011 12:10 pm ----
roberto.f wrote:
Yeah you can just leave them. iirc Super 4's can't be adjusted anyway.
good stuff, cheers
#17: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Sat May 14, 2011 6:50 am ---- Well I have replaced the spark plugs and taken a few pics of the coil pack and plugs.
It does appear to be a Sagem coil pack so I am assuming I should replace this?
#18: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 9:08 am ----
finners wrote:
It does appear to be a Sagem coil pack so I am assuming I should replace this?
I wouldnt want a Sagem coil pack on my 206
#19: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Sat May 14, 2011 11:50 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
Bouricord OR Electrofil
Match the colour of the connector plug up on your car, it will be either grey or black, they aint interchangeable!
There is also a wiring mod to look for.
There is a supressor fitted to pin 4 of the coil pack connector plug.
Peugeot / Citroen part number 6555 K9
I am scouring eBay for one of these coil packs but to no avail. Can anyone help me out please?
this is a pic of my engine and just to confirm is this the suppressor mod you were talking about?
#20: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Sun May 15, 2011 2:59 am ---- I've ordered a new Coil Pack and I only paid £30.00 including postage. Its a Valeo one with the grey plug and the part numbers on it seem to match the ones on the Sagem so we'll see if it does the job.
I'll report back once its fitted.
#21: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 6:16 am ---- That little thing in the picture could very well be the supressor, mine was done under Peugeot warranty & its very well hidden behind the coil pack
#22: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:03 pm ---- I found this after doing a google for the part number you mentioned which looks very similar to the part I have pointed to in the picture.
However it does say radio interference suppressor.
#23: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:08 pm ---- Its the correct part for the job on the coil pack
#24: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 12:10 pm ---- Someone got ripped of on Ebay, there only £5.29 brand new from any Peugeot / Citroen main dealer
#25: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Tue May 17, 2011 9:24 am ---- New coil pack fitted and the car feels a lot better. Will test it for a few days and see how it goes.
#26: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Sun May 29, 2011 9:37 am ---- Well the car conked out again today
All in all I have changed the following: -
1. Idle Control Valve
2. Spark plugs (changed to Bosch Super 4)
3. New coil pack
Anyone have any other advice as to what I can check next?
Is it worth looking at some of the sensors?
Is it possibly the ECU?
cheers Last edited by finners on Sun May 29, 2011 10:14 am; edited 1 time in total
#27: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 9:53 am ---- Engine ECU software update at the local Peugeot main dealer might be worth thinking about, while its there get the BSI software updated as well.
Give the engine ecu connectors a good clean with electrical contact cleaner incase there's any nasty silicone grease residue there.
#28: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Sun May 29, 2011 10:14 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
Engine ECU software update at the local Peugeot main dealer might be worth thinking about, while its there get the BSI software updated as well.
Give the engine ecu connectors a good clean with electrical contact cleaner incase there's any nasty silicone grease residue there.
Any idea how much its costs to get these updates?
& when you say the engine ECU connectors are these the ones that you are talking about?
#29: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 10:34 am ---- Yes, those are the conectors, you might find some silicone grease in there, that all needs cleaning out with electrical contact cleaner.
Shut the BSI down safely before touching those connectors.
Software updates - you need to ask the dealer, might be half hour labour or might be an hour labour.
#30: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Sun May 29, 2011 10:41 am ---- erm whats a BSI?
is BSI another name for ECU
#31: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 10:59 am ----
finners wrote:
erm whats a BSI?
is BSI another name for ECU
no.
they are not the same.
#32: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 11:12 am ----
finners wrote:
erm whats a BSI?
is BSI another name for ECU
BSI is the Built in Systems Interface which is the software driven computer brain that has overall control of all the cars electrical systems
#33: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Mon May 30, 2011 4:48 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
Shut the BSI down safely before touching those connectors.
Is there a set way of shutting down the BSI then? Is it not a case of just disconnecting the battery?
#34: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Mon May 30, 2011 5:07 am ----
finners wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
Shut the BSI down safely before touching those connectors.
Is there a set way of shutting down the BSI then? Is it not a case of just disconnecting the battery?
I've found it by doing a quick search of the forum
#35: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 6:32 am ----
finners wrote:
finners wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
Shut the BSI down safely before touching those connectors.
Is there a set way of shutting down the BSI then? Is it not a case of just disconnecting the battery?
I've found it by doing a quick search of the forum
Nice one, someone that actually bothered to use the search
#36: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Mon May 30, 2011 11:26 am ---- Ok so I've disconnected the ECU and cleaned up the connectors with electrical contact cleaner.
All back together so we'll have to see how it goes.
I'll phone the local Peugeot dealer tomorrow to see about an ECU/BSI update.
#37: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 11:31 am ----
finners wrote:
Ok so I've disconnected the ECU and cleaned up the connectors with electrical contact cleaner.
Did you find any nasty / crusty silicone grease there?
#38: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Mon May 30, 2011 11:33 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
finners wrote:
Ok so I've disconnected the ECU and cleaned up the connectors with electrical contact cleaner.
Did you find any nasty / crusty silicone grease there?
Nope it looked pretty clean. I sprayed the connectors just to be sure though.
#39: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:37 am ---- I've booked the car into a Peugeot garage for them to do a diagnostic test, 30 minutes labour (to fix any probs they might be able to do in the 30 mins) and to update the ECU software.
67 notes.
#40: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:41 am ---- Well the wife was driving the car again today and had a boat load of problems.
Car is stalling a lot now with the temp gauge going up to 100 and then down to under 70. The engine feels like it is pulling you back all the time.
The engine management light flckers on and off alot also.
Do you think its still an ECU fault guys?
#41: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:01 am ---- Well the car has been to the Peugeot garage and had a diagnostic test done. It showed only one fault which was a 'Coolant temp sensor fault in multi-function display'.
They also carried out an ECU download and update.
& guess what on the way home it stalled about 4 times. This was when the engine was warm so I am thinking it may be the coolant temp sensor. What yer reckon guys?
To be honest I am not very impressed with Peugeot, you would atleast think the mechanic would have come out for a chat but no leave it to the receptionist.
More than happy to take the 67 quid off me and it felt like "there yer go kid see how you go"..................
#42: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: Seabook, Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:03 pm ---- that could be it.
i remember i have seen a similar case before
#43: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:23 am ---- Yeah I'll take a look at the coolant temp sensor and I might clean the MAF sensor while I'm at it.
#44: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:01 am ---- Well I cleaned the MAF sensor but to be honest it didnt look that bad. I havent replaced the coolant temp sensor but I did clean the electrical contacts.
Went out for a drive and initially its fine but it seems to cut out when the temp is just above 90C. The engine does not misfire or anything it simply just cuts out.
I am really started to get a bit peeved off with it now. Nobody seems to have a clue as to exactly what it might be and as you can see from my previous posts I have changed quite a few parts.
The only things that I havent renewed is the coolant temp sensor. I see there are a number of other sensors on the car is it worth looking at any of these? I read somewhere there are 2 coolant temp sensors one for the gauge and one for the ECU, is this true?
I also read there are relays at the bottom of the radiator and a travelling/speed sensor.
I am open to all ideas as I dont want to part ex the car just yet
#45: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:19 pm ---- I've fitted a new coolant temp sensor so will see how it goes......
#46: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:23 am ---- Guess what its happened again!!!
The car had been running fine for about 30 mins but I parked it in Tesco's today and left it running for a while. It cut out when the temp gauge was at about 95C.
The fan appears to be working fine but I am completely stumped now.
Any advice guys?
#47: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:01 am ---- The car stalled again today and the engine was not that warm so I think I can rule out it being a heat issue. It stalled and then wouldnt start again. It was turning over but just not firing which I suspect may be a fuel issue. I turned off the car for about 20 seconds and it started fine.
The wife was driving behind me and said she could smell fuel when I stalled.
Food for thought I suppose!
#48: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: LeeUK, Location: NorthumberlandPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:25 pm ---- HI, did you ever get to the bottom of this?
My 2001 1.4i GLX used to cut out every now and then but would start straight away with one turn of the key no problem.
The last few weeks it has got worse and it is doing it nearly every day. Always when I'm slowing down for a junction or roundabout etc.
I've been told that it might be the fuel filter depending if it is an external one. Not sure if that is true.
#49: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:27 pm ----
LeeUK wrote:
HI, did you ever get to the bottom of this?
Might be in for a long wait for a reply, thats the last time finners posted on the forum.
#50: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:37 pm ----
LeeUK wrote:
HI, did you ever get to the bottom of this?
My 2001 1.4i GLX used to cut out every now and then but would start straight away with one turn of the key no problem.
The last few weeks it has got worse and it is doing it nearly every day. Always when I'm slowing down for a junction or roundabout etc.
I've been told that it might be the fuel filter depending if it is an external one. Not sure if that is true.
No I never go to the bottom of it I'm afraid, sorry.
#51: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: Bummers, Location: North walesPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:30 pm ---- Just having similar problems myself. Finners did you end up getting rid of the car?
Your pics have made a good guide for me to try the things you've done
#52: Re: 206 SW 1.4 Engine Cutting Out Author: finners, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:36 pm ----
Bummers wrote:
Just having similar problems myself. Finners did you end up getting rid of the car?
Your pics have made a good guide for me to try the things you've done
Yeah I ended up getting rid of the car. I hope you get to the bottom of your problem.
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