#1: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:25 am ---- When I'm driving around 5mph and slowing down, I am pushing the gear stick to gear 1 but it won't shift in until I eventually stop or around 1mph? It's annoying that I have to stop to get it in gear.
#2: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:40 am ---- normal
#3: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:41 am ---- Is it not to stop you putting it in the wrong gear when moving and throwing a rod?
#4: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: Andrew, Location: Black Country Ay IPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:50 am ---- Its normal, but it is quite annoying in slow traffic when 5-10mph is too slow to stay in second but too fast to get it into first
#5: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: Mikey2uk, Location: StevenagePosted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:00 pm ----
Andrewxps wrote:
Its normal, but it is quite annoying in slow traffic when 5-10mph is too slow to stay in second but too fast to get it into first
Agree when your in a derv its worse lol
#6: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: cosmicdance, Location: Leeds, UKPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:23 am ---- Try dipping the clutch and revving a bit just before engaging first as first gear is hard to engage unless you're at very low speeds.
Andy
#7: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: NorthantsBen, Location: Raunds, NorthamptonshirePosted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:39 am ---- I don't Seem to have this problem as I only use 1st gear when completely stopped,
Way I got taught and always been told,
#8: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:50 am ----
karimali831 wrote:
When I'm driving around 5mph and slowing down, I am pushing the gear stick to gear 1 but it won't shift in until I eventually stop or around 1mph? It's annoying that I have to stop to get it in gear.
Learn to drive CORRECTLY
You shouldnt be trying to select 1st gear while the car is moving, your gonna end up breaking something if you keep trying to force it in to gear.
100% operator error
#9: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: -Dave-, Location: North ManchesterPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 2:54 am ---- I have to agree, First gear should only be selected when stopped. 2nd gear should be more than enough to drive off when the car is still moving.
#10: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: willb101, Location: nottsPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:27 am ----
cosmicdance wrote:
Try dipping the clutch and revving a bit just before engaging first as first gear is hard to engage unless you're at very low speeds.
Andy
this always works for me tbf. Ever have trouble getting into any gear and this usually gets it in
#11: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sat May 28, 2011 6:01 am ----
Suicidalsoldi3r wrote:
I have to agree, First gear should only be selected when stopped.
+1
Suicidalsoldi3r wrote:
2nd gear should be more than enough to drive off when the car is still moving.
-1
#12: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: -Dave-, Location: North ManchesterPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 6:06 am ----
V9977 wrote:
Suicidalsoldi3r wrote:
I have to agree, First gear should only be selected when stopped.
+1
Suicidalsoldi3r wrote:
2nd gear should be more than enough to drive off when the car is still moving.
-1
Explain yourself then.
#13: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sat May 28, 2011 6:09 am ----
#14: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: -Dave-, Location: North ManchesterPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 6:19 am ---- I would never select first while moving and if you are going that slow you can't pull off in Second you may as well stop and select first. If your having problem's pulling off in second gear anything over 3mph I would suggest something is wrong somewhere or something has worn.
#15: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sat May 28, 2011 6:22 am ----
Suicidalsoldi3r wrote:
I would never select first while moving and if you are going that slow you can't pull off in Second you may as well stop and select first. If your having problem's pulling off in second gear anything over 3mph I would suggest something is wrong somewhere or something has worn.
Agreed.
But some situations are a pain at least for me on a 1.4i.
#16: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sat May 28, 2011 6:46 am ---- It's one thing ramming the gear into 1st at moving speed.
It's another gently pushing it until it pops itself-in smoothly, at upto 2-3mph.
It's totaly another when it blatantly refuses unless you are completely stationary at 0.0mph.
There are situations (unknown uphill, truck infront slowing down etc) where its possible to get rear-ended.
My conclusion is that the synchromesh in first can wear-down because the newer 206 we got recently
(same gearbox, same engine) is perfect in this respect without having to force anything.
#17: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: smiddies, Location: BrightonPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 7:40 am ---- Peugeot gearboxes are rubbish at the end of the day...
To simply get around this problem, if and when you attempt to put it into first, when rolling or stationary, simply put it in neutral, let go of the clutch, and try again! Make sure you match the appropriate revs though!
Should be fine!
#18: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 7:50 am ----
smiddies wrote:
Peugeot gearboxes are rubbish at the end of the day...
There where designed back in the 1980's.
Its more down to operator error then the gearbox design, having driven countless different PSA Peugeot / Citroen products over 15+ years both with MA & BE gearboxes ive never found a problem with either type of manual gearbox.
#19: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sat May 28, 2011 7:50 am ----
smiddies wrote:
Peugeot gearboxes are rubbish at the end of the day...
To simply get around this problem, if and when you attempt to put it into first, when rolling or stationary, simply put it in neutral, let go of the clutch, and try again! Make sure you match the appropriate revs though!
Should be fine!
No it ain't.
That works for reverse though.
#20: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sat May 28, 2011 7:55 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
smiddies wrote:
Peugeot gearboxes are rubbish at the end of the day...
There where designed back in the 1980's.
Its more down to operator error then the gearbox design, having driven countless different PSA Peugeot / Citroen products over 15+ years both with MA & BE gearboxes ive never found a problem with either type of manual gearbox.
Its fine apart from some synchros being totaled from people ramming-it in.
This then means you have NO-synchro in 1st no matter what.
#21: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 7:59 am ----
V9977 wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
smiddies wrote:
Peugeot gearboxes are rubbish at the end of the day...
There where designed back in the 1980's.
Its more down to operator error then the gearbox design, having driven countless different PSA Peugeot / Citroen products over 15+ years both with MA & BE gearboxes ive never found a problem with either type of manual gearbox.
Its fine apart from some synchros being totaled from people ramming-it in.
Thats down to 100% operator error.
A bad workman always blames his tools
Ive lost count of all the different PSA cars / vans ive driven over the years, never had a problem with a gearbox.
#22: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sat May 28, 2011 8:07 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
V9977 wrote:
Its fine apart from some synchros being totaled from people ramming-it in.
Thats down to 100% operator error.
A bad workman always blames his tools
Ive lost count of all the different PSA cars / vans ive driven over the years, never had a problem with a gearbox.
Agreed.
Driven loads of pugs/citroens too.
However when I got my 206 second hand it soon became evident just how
bad a workman the previous owner was with the gearbox.
#23: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 8:18 am ---- Drove a 04 Mondeo one day last week due to needing a bigger boot then the 206 has, gearchange, clutch & steering are so much lighter then a 206.
Gearchange is a lot shorter & much more precise to, clutch is hydraulic so that was nice & light but sod all feel to it.
It was a bit of a shock going from the Mondeo & getting back in to my 206 later in the day
#24: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sat May 28, 2011 8:24 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
Drove a 04 Mondeo one day last week due to needing a bigger boot then the 206 has, gearchange, clutch & steering are so much lighter then a 206.
Gearchange is a lot shorter & much more precise to, clutch is hydraulic so that was nice & light but sod all feel to it.It was a bit of a shock going from the Mondeo & getting back in to my 206 later in the day
I could do with that right now due to severe left-knee problem.
#25: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: smiddies, Location: BrightonPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 8:51 am ---- Ive never had a problem with my gearbox!! And all the ragging ive done in the last 30k miles!!!
Im just saying compared to other gearboxes they are rubbish!
I never know they were designed in the 80's,
shame they dont make a newer version of the 206 with modern technology / engines!!
then you would be able to get better fuel economy and go faster at the same time!
I only want this because I like the 206 shape! nevermind though!
#26: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sat May 28, 2011 8:54 am ----
smiddies wrote:
Ive never had a problem with my gearbox!! And all the ragging ive done in the last 30k miles!!!
Im just saying compared to other gearboxes they are rubbish!
#27: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 9:27 am ----
smiddies wrote:
Ive never had a problem with my gearbox!! And all the ragging ive done in the last 30k miles!!!
Im just saying compared to other gearboxes they are rubbish!
I never know they were designed in the 80's,
shame they dont make a newer version of the 206 with modern technology / engines!!
then you would be able to get better fuel economy and go faster at the same time!
I only want this because I like the 206 shape! nevermind though!
learn how to shift correctly or get the AL4?
#28: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: karimali831, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 10:50 am ----
Quote::
Learn to drive CORRECTLY
I have always used gear 1 at very slow speed because with my fiesta the car will juddle and eventually stall if I drive too slow on gear 2... I am use to this way of driving. I can just feel the same happening for peugeot when driving up hill in slow traffic. If not, then I'm wrong
#29: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 11:27 am ----
karimali831 wrote:
Quote::
Learn to drive CORRECTLY
I have always used gear 1 at very slow speed because with my fiesta the car will juddle and eventually stall if I drive too slow on gear 2... I am use to this way of driving. I can just feel the same happening for peugeot when driving up hill in slow traffic. If not, then I'm wrong
you are right.
but i think bsi don't mean this.
double declutch is a good way to get into first in pug without much trouble.
#30: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 12:15 pm ----
karimali831 wrote:
Quote::
Learn to drive CORRECTLY
I have always used gear 1 at very slow speed because with my fiesta the car will juddle and eventually stall if I drive too slow on gear 2... I am use to this way of driving. I can just feel the same happening for peugeot when driving up hill in slow traffic. If not, then I'm wrong
You shouldnt be trying to select 1st gear while the car is moving.
#31: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: pike, Location: n irelandPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:02 am ---- Having learned to drive vehicles with a crash g/box ( no synchromesh 1-2 -2-3 / 3-2 2-1 ) double clutching was the order of the day .
The pug box is synchromesh , but not very refined, lol
old habits die hard , i still double clutch , and have no probably's going up & down the box
#32: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:17 am ----
karimali831 wrote:
When I'm driving around 5mph and slowing down, I am pushing the gear stick to gear 1 but it won't shift in until I eventually stop or around 1mph? It's annoying that I have to stop to get it in gear.
100% normal, annoying but normal lol
#33: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: Ste, Location: Hull -or- The World Of Info CodePosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:26 am ---- I can easily get my car into first at any speed under than around 10mph, god n00bs learn to rev match!
Awaiting flaming, and people telling me I'm going to blow my box up into a bizzilion pieces, because I'm putting strain on it blah blahblahhhhh.
Been doing it since day 1 of owning the car, which is over 2 years ago now, and there's no sign of any box damage as yet.
#34: Re: Why it only shifts smoothly to gear 1 when stopped? Author: Seabook, Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:28 am ---- like i say before, double declutching is the key.
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