#1: TORQUE STEER Author: kevd, Location: West Wales nr LampeterPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:01 am ---- Hi
I'm having a problemwith my 1.4 8v 206. When I accelerate not particularly hard it pulls to the right and when I come off the throttle it pulls back to the left. When going around a right hand bend it's worse you can almost steer it without turning the wheel. Left hand bend no problem.
I have replaced the two wishbones drop links and track rod ends. Both wheel beaqring are good and no drag on the brakes. Strurts are good and firm and the engine mounts are good although I did change the gearbox one just to be sure. Tyre pressures are balanced no play or knocks in the drive shafts and I am now at a loss as to what the problem is. One thing I have noticed is that if I adjust the wheel alignement to 1.5 degrees toe out the torque steer is much better and barely noticeable however the tyres are wearing down very quickly.
The only thing I can think of is the gearbox or diff. There is a small rumble from it. Could the gearbox be the problem or can you think of something that I may not have considered. No play in the steering rack either.
Thanks
#2: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: Andy180, Location: Stoke on TrentPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:09 am ---- Your tracking is out get it realigned at a alocal tyre garage
#3: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: kevd, Location: West Wales nr LampeterPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:13 am ---- Tracking has been set correctly but it has torque steer but it gets a lot better when tracking is out 1.5 degrees.
#4: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:23 am ---- Most likely the diff in the gear box my old xsi did the samething once the gearbox was replaced it was fine.
#5: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: kevd, Location: West Wales nr LampeterPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:30 am ---- Thanks Nickst.
I was hoping that someone would have experienced something like this. I couldn't think of anything but the box but didn't want to spend the money if it was going to be way off the mark and something a lot simpler
Kev
#6: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:42 am ---- could be worn drive shaft too.
#7: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: kevd, Location: West Wales nr LampeterPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:48 am ---- Hi
No play or knocks in the drive shaft
Kev
#8: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:49 am ---- Mine eventually went completely and I only had drive to the off side wheel. From the sound off it you have all ready replaced/checked every thing else so it only leave the box as a suspect.
#9: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:10 am ---- Torque steer in a 75 BHP TU 206?
#10: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:11 am ----
G. wrote:
Torque steer in a 75 BHP TU 206?
My thoughts exactly
#11: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: kevd, Location: West Wales nr LampeterPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:34 am ---- OK Torque may not be the correct term to use but the symptoms are the same pulling one way under acceleration but probably due to a mechanical problem more than power produced by the engine.
Now that we are agreed that it's not torque I don't suppose you have any useful advice as to what is causing it pull to the right under acceleration and back to the left when throttle comes off
#12: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:26 am ---- Dummy back in the pram, we're only having a bit of craic.
As Andy said in the 2nd reply, your tracking is most likely out. Get that checked before anything else as its the more probable cause and is the cheapest place to start. Get your tyres checked too, if you've left it along enough you may have tyres with irregular wear. Last edited by Lecktorious on Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:03 am; edited 1 time in total
#13: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:50 am ---- He's already said the tracking has been checked and if your putting negative camber on and it gets better that's because it's pushing the driveshafts into the gearbox/diff more than normally.
Which would point towards a faulty diff or drive shaft.
#14: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: kevd, Location: West Wales nr LampeterPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:01 am ---- Dummy is back in pram
I've had this problem for some months now and I must admit it is getting to me.
Tracking is spot on steering faces forward and eact amount of turns from straight to full lock either side.
Car runs staight with steering faciing forward and if you take hands off the wheel continues straight.
The odd think is that problem is less if you turn the toe out 1.5 degrees on alignement
Turn a right hand bend in neutral and the car is fine but in gear with small acceleration pulls to the right.
The only thing I can think of is that there is a problem with the diff putting more drive to the left side.
#15: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:04 am ---- If the tracking has already been checked, take it elsewhere for a 2nd opinion. Make sure it's laser alignned this time too,
#16: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:05 am ---- Well if it happens in gear it's some thing to do with the drivetrain
#17: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:06 am ---- What size wheels are fitted to the car?
#18: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: kevd, Location: West Wales nr LampeterPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:23 am ---- The car is running on 17 inch wheels and has done for 3 years plus without a problem until recently.
The tyre profile is very thin so makes very little difference to the diameter of the tyre but the width is 205
I have my own tracking gauge and took it to a local garage for 4 wheel alignment just to be sure so I'm happy that it's not the tracking although it does improve on toe out.
#19: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:17 pm ----
#21: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:21 pm ----
Seabook wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
kevd wrote:
The car is running on 17 inch wheels
You need a new gearbox
another example of big wheel kill MA5?
Remember I just talk b******s
Stupid big wheels never kill MA gearboxes
#22: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: kevd, Location: West Wales nr LampeterPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:31 pm ---- It all makes sense
Car is already up on the ramp box will be off tomorrow
thanks for advice
Kev
It all makes sense
Car is already up on the ramp box will be off tomorrow
thanks for advice
Kev
please post pics
#24: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: GP-F, Location: FairfordPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:16 pm ---- Before removing the box, read this thread www.206info.co.uk/Foru...rt=15.html
Might save you changing the box...
#25: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: kevd, Location: West Wales nr LampeterPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:29 pm ---- Thanks GP-F I'll have a close look at these tomorrow
The symptoms sound the same and a much easier cheaper fix it if works
cheers
Kev
#26: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: GP-F, Location: FairfordPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:24 am ---- This was 3 months old & was from Euro Car Parts £45!!
The movement was frightening,when compared to the new Pug One.
Buy Genuine Pug, it save buying twice!!
#27: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: kevd, Location: West Wales nr LampeterPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:46 am ---- I've changed the pinch bolts but no improvement. Gone over the joints bushes sub frame bolts again with a 4 foot pich bar can't find the problem. I've even had the handbrake aplied and had someone to try and move the car forward and back to see if there is any play in the wheel or bushes but can't find any play there. the car is back up on the ramp and gearbox will come off tomorrow
cheers
Kev
#28: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: GP-F, Location: FairfordPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 4:27 am ---- Kev, ours went for MOT & i did the same with a bar. Until I took the wishbone out I couldn't tell the damage was that bad. The bush on the one fitted I could twist with a bolt, the new one was solid & wouldn't budge. Hope its not the box. Good Luck!
#29: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: kevd, Location: West Wales nr LampeterPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:55 am ---- Hi
I've ordered a new wishbone and taken the other one out. The one removed looks good only about 3 mnths old but I thought I'd give this a go as a last ditched attempt before tackling the gearbox as I'm still not 100% convinced it is the box but getting desparate for any other options.
Kev
#30: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: kevd, Location: West Wales nr LampeterPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:46 am ---- Pleased to say that as a last resort I changed the 3 month old wishbone before going for the gear box and it worked.
Tracking is set fine and no wander / pulling with the steering.
Problem is solved and am I glad I didn't change the gearbox I can just imagine how I would have felt with the problem still there after changing the box.
Looking at the 3 month old wishbone I can't see anything wrong with it but it was obviously the root of the problem. To be honest appapartom relief I am a little embembarrassedat it was the fault. Thanks you all for the advice o this one this problem which stopped me jupjumping to change the gearbox too soon.
Kev
#31: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: Sprint955, Location: WarwickshirePosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:09 am ---- Strange. Sons' car 1.4 206 LX on an 03 plate pulls to the left under acceleration and steers right when you take your foot off! Most noticeable between 60 and 70mph. Left near side tyre's quite worn on outside edge. Tracking out possibly but the car was fine 2 months ago so what would upset the tracking so suddenly?
#32: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:20 am ----
Sprint955 wrote:
so what would upset the tracking so suddenly?
1 good smack against a kerb or down a pothole would be enough to knock the tracking out.
#33: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: kevd, Location: West Wales nr LampeterPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:54 am ---- Hi
i would suggest you get the ball joints/bushes tyre pressures and tracking checked first. if those are all ok then you could end up going down the same route as me.
2 new wishbones 3 if you count the one just over 3 months old and still looks like new
2 new drop links
2 new track rod ends
2 new pich bolts for the hubs
Good luck
Kev
#34: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: lennyboy, Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:30 am ---- I had this problem and it was the bushes nearest to the bulkhead on the lower suspension arm
#35: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: D4NTP, Location: Not Leeds or its surrounding areas!Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:12 am ---- I had the problem on my corolla the other year after the g/box was changed (don't worry it wasn't the box causing it) because the retards at the garage failed to tighten up the suspension arm correctly. I'd be very surprised if it was anything other than a worn bush or something left loose, possibly after the tracking was done?
#36: Re: TORQUE STEER Author: splodgeink, Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:21 pm ---- I would like to add after trawling many posts on this subject that replacing the wishbone to hub nut and bolt with genuine parts appears to have solved my issues.
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