#1: Remap Removal Author: Andreus84, Location: NorfolkPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:40 am ---- Hiya guys.
Hope you are all well.
As some of you know I have a 2005 1.4hdi which was remapped about 3 years ago by the guys at red dot racing.
Now has come the time to sell the car, so I want to put it back to standard (68bhp rather than the 110 it is now)
However despite red dot stating on there website that removal is free, they want me to travel to them (400 mile round trip which i was prepared for) and hand over 60 quid (which I was not prepared for)
Does anybody know if local Peugeot Dealers can put a standard map back on, or know of a way of getting a standard map put back cheaper than the red-dot option??
Cheers in Advance
#2: Re: Remap Removal Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:42 am ---- I think a software update would clear the remap (I'm not 100% on this mind you) however Peugeot will charge £80+
#3: Re: Remap Removal Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:43 am ----
Andreus84 wrote:
Hiya guys.
Hope you are all well.
As some of you know I have a 2005 1.4hdi which was remapped about 3 years ago by the guys at red dot racing.
Now has come the time to sell the car, so I want to put it back to standard (68bhp rather than the 110 it is now)
However despite red dot stating on there website that removal is free, they want me to travel to them (400 mile round trip which i was prepared for) and hand over 60 quid (which I was not prepared for)
Does anybody know if local Peugeot Dealers can put a standard map back on, or know of a way of getting a standard map put back cheaper than the red-dot option??
Cheers in Advance
No doubt a pug dealer will want daft money to do something like that (if they can do it).
If Red Dot say its free why are you having to pay £60?
I would be questioning that with them and asking why they are falsly sdvertising it.
#4: Re: Remap Removal Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:45 am ----
Big_Rich180 wrote:
Andreus84 wrote:
Hiya guys.
Hope you are all well.
As some of you know I have a 2005 1.4hdi which was remapped about 3 years ago by the guys at red dot racing.
Now has come the time to sell the car, so I want to put it back to standard (68bhp rather than the 110 it is now)
However despite red dot stating on there website that removal is free, they want me to travel to them (400 mile round trip which i was prepared for) and hand over 60 quid (which I was not prepared for)
Does anybody know if local Peugeot Dealers can put a standard map back on, or know of a way of getting a standard map put back cheaper than the red-dot option??
Cheers in Advance
No doubt a pug dealer will want daft money to do something like that (if they can do it).
If Red Dot say its free why are you having to pay £60?
I would be questioning that with them and asking why they are falsly sdvertising it.
there's probably a loop hole somewhere, like you have to supply the original map file or something.
#5: Re: Remap Removal Author: Bailey, Location: Finding Dr. RobotnikPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:46 am ----
Big_Rich180 wrote:
Andreus84 wrote:
Hiya guys.
Hope you are all well.
As some of you know I have a 2005 1.4hdi which was remapped about 3 years ago by the guys at red dot racing.
Now has come the time to sell the car, so I want to put it back to standard (68bhp rather than the 110 it is now)
However despite red dot stating on there website that removal is free, they want me to travel to them (400 mile round trip which i was prepared for) and hand over 60 quid (which I was not prepared for)
Does anybody know if local Peugeot Dealers can put a standard map back on, or know of a way of getting a standard map put back cheaper than the red-dot option??
Cheers in Advance
No doubt a pug dealer will want daft money to do something like that (if they can do it).
If Red Dot say its free why are you having to pay £60?
I would be questioning that with them and asking why they are falsly sdvertising it.
Didn't you get a reciept or proof of this free reversal?
#6: Re: Remap Removal Author: Andreus84, Location: NorfolkPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:47 am ---- i don't mind paying a lowish amount, I have just pinged some emails off to peugeot.
I have questioned Red Dot as the wording on their website states (copy & pasted complete with spelling error) - www.reddotracing.co.uk/
"Can the remapping be reversed?
The main plus point of this modern methodology means that we can reverse the information back to standard for you at any time. Because of this, if you came back to us within 14 days and asked us to reverse the process we will do so free of charge AND refund you the full amount. After 14 days, there is NO CAHRGE to return your car to standard, but no refund unless there is any issue of course. If you have come a long way to us, we understand its not always easy to return within 14 days, so talk to us and we will come up with a compromise for you."
#7: Re: Remap Removal Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:50 am ----
Andreus84 wrote:
i don't mind paying a lowish amount, I have just pinged some emails off to peugeot.
I have questioned Red Dot as the wording on their website states (copy & pasted complete with spelling error) - www.reddotracing.co.uk/
"Can the remapping be reversed?
The main plus point of this modern methodology means that we can reverse the information back to standard for you at any time. Because of this, if you came back to us within 14 days and asked us to reverse the process we will do so free of charge AND refund you the full amount. After 14 days, there is NO CAHRGE to return your car to standard, but no refund unless there is any issue of course. If you have come a long way to us, we understand its not always easy to return within 14 days, so talk to us and we will come up with a compromise for you."
So where has the £60 charge come from?
It does look like they will only remove the map for free if you contact them soon after its done, BUT thats not exactly what it says.
#8: Re: Remap Removal Author: Abzynthe, Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:52 am ----
Big_Rich180 wrote:
Andreus84 wrote:
i don't mind paying a lowish amount, I have just pinged some emails off to peugeot.
I have questioned Red Dot as the wording on their website states (copy & pasted complete with spelling error) - www.reddotracing.co.uk/
"Can the remapping be reversed?
The main plus point of this modern methodology means that we can reverse the information back to standard for you at any time. Because of this, if you came back to us within 14 days and asked us to reverse the process we will do so free of charge AND refund you the full amount. After 14 days, there is NO CAHRGE to return your car to standard, but no refund unless there is any issue of course. If you have come a long way to us, we understand its not always easy to return within 14 days, so talk to us and we will come up with a compromise for you."
So where has the £60 charge come from?
It does look like they will only remove the map for free if you contact them soon after its done, BUT thats not exactly what it says.
Yeah they probably dont expect to get people come back after 3 years lol. But it doesnt say on there, so I would keep questioning it.
#9: Re: Remap Removal Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:53 am ----
Abzynthe wrote:
Big_Rich180 wrote:
Andreus84 wrote:
i don't mind paying a lowish amount, I have just pinged some emails off to peugeot.
I have questioned Red Dot as the wording on their website states (copy & pasted complete with spelling error) - www.reddotracing.co.uk/
"Can the remapping be reversed?
The main plus point of this modern methodology means that we can reverse the information back to standard for you at any time. Because of this, if you came back to us within 14 days and asked us to reverse the process we will do so free of charge AND refund you the full amount. After 14 days, there is NO CAHRGE to return your car to standard, but no refund unless there is any issue of course. If you have come a long way to us, we understand its not always easy to return within 14 days, so talk to us and we will come up with a compromise for you."
So where has the £60 charge come from?
It does look like they will only remove the map for free if you contact them soon after its done, BUT thats not exactly what it says.
Yeah they probably dont expect to get people come back after 3 years lol. But it doesnt say on there, so I would keep questioning it.
#10: Re: Remap Removal Author: Lee., Location: Blackwood, South WalesPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:54 am ---- Why not just leave it on and save yourself the hassle? I can't see a prospective buyer screaming and running away in terror when you tell them that this car pulls better and returns a better mpg!
#11: Re: Remap Removal Author: anthony_839, Location: romfordPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:56 am ---- but their insurance will
#12: Re: Remap Removal Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:56 am ----
Lee. wrote:
Why not just leave it on and save yourself the hassle? I can't see a prospective buyer screaming and running away in terror when you tell them that this car pulls better and returns a better mpg!
Unless he's 17 and just passed his test
#13: Re: Remap Removal Author: Andreus84, Location: NorfolkPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:04 am ---- I've found that advertising a car remapped scares people away as they think it's been abused.
I think my car has had far less abuse as its been remapped and I don't need to push the engine hard to get enough speed for overtake.
The main issue with having a remap on the car is the Insurance, if you tell your insurance that your car has had a 42bhp (61%) increase they don't like you very much!!
I don't want to put off any buyers, or garages, a citroen garage offered me a "good price" of £1250 for my motor in part ex...... I was actually insulted!!
#14: Re: Remap Removal Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:07 am ---- Probably going to get agro for this, oh well..
Just leave it on? If you really think it's going to put buyers off (it wouldn't put me off) just don't mention it. Remaps are undectable unless someone knows what the engine should be doing and puts it on a dyno? Like said I don't think anyones going to complain who's buying it. Yes I know it should be declared to insurance but if you did crash why would they even suspect it was remapped? let alone be able to prove it.
Sounds like you are worrying or making something a hassle that doesn't have to be, I just don't see why this is an issue.
#15: Re: Remap Removal Author: Seabook, Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:10 am ---- another reddot map
#16: Re: Remap Removal Author: Andreus84, Location: NorfolkPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:18 am ----
Harry wrote:
Yes I know it should be declared to insurance but if you did crash why would they even suspect it was remapped? let alone be able to prove it.
As I work in the Chief Executive's Office of one of the largest Insurance companies I am a little anal about ensuring things are declared.
I will see what comes out of the adverts and see what then needs to be done.
Fancy a Citroen C4 1.6hdi next, however that won't be mapped!!
#17: Re: Remap Removal Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:36 am ---- just don't mention is was mapped. Most buyers will think nothing of it apart from being a bit nippier that expected. You could always just turn the turbo down a bit.
#18: Re: Remap Removal Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:54 am ----
Andreus84 wrote:
Harry wrote:
Yes I know it should be declared to insurance but if you did crash why would they even suspect it was remapped? let alone be able to prove it.
As I work in the Chief Executive's Office of one of the largest Insurance companies I am a little anal about ensuring things are declared.
I will see what comes out of the adverts and see what then needs to be done.
Fancy a Citroen C4 1.6hdi next, however that won't be mapped!!
Fair enough, it's your choice at the end of the day but in reality no one is going to find out. I know where you are coming from but nearly every vehicle I have bought has had modifications that I haven't known about and I've only found out because I pretty much take them apart.
Most people don't even touch cars, there must be so many out there that have uprated panel filters , chips , remapped etc that the buyer never knew about.
#19: Re: Remap Removal Author: Andreus84, Location: NorfolkPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:01 am ---- Just as a quick update, my local peugeot got back to me and offered to remove it for £48. Bargain, and I don't have to travel!
#20: Re: Remap Removal Author: kieron, Location: in the housePosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:03 am ----
Harry wrote:
Probably going to get agro for this, oh well..
Just leave it on? If you really think it's going to put buyers off (it wouldn't put me off) just don't mention it. Remaps are undectable unless someone knows what the engine should be doing and puts it on a dyno? Like said I don't think anyones going to complain who's buying it. Yes I know it should be declared to insurance but if you did crash why would they even suspect it was remapped? let alone be able to prove it.
Sounds like you are worrying or making something a hassle that doesn't have to be, I just don't see why this is an issue.
what harry said just leave it on end of story.....
#21: Re: Remap Removal Author: Ali_H, Location: Chichester, SussexPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:09 am ---- TBH I'm surprised you only got 42BHP increase. I thought Red Dot maps were guaranteed to give 1000bhp increase y0.
#22: Re: Remap Removal Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:35 am ---- Is it the EDC 16C3 ECU?
#23: Re: Remap Removal Author: sam-c, Location: Uni: Kent Home: ScunthorpePosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:07 am ---- This thread really does show the decline in quality of people in this site. This isn't aimed at the OP in anyway. I just cannot believe that in todays day and age where uninsured drivers (which you are if you lie to your insurance company about modification as it makes your insurance void) cost us all by putting up our premiums and ruining peoples lives. Yet people will still advise people not to declare! If you cant afford to insure it dont do it simple! This is an information exchange and the information given should be accurate and should not encourage people to break the law. You wouldnt advise people to go robbing so they can afford a modification so dont advise them to not declare it in order so that they can afford to.
/Rant
To answer the OP it seems like you have got it cheaper by going to pug due to the cost in fuel but the battle with Reddot should be fairly straight forward. The advert says it is free to remove even after 14 days but they wont refund you the cost of the original remap. You relied on this as part of your decision to have a remap and to go with them. They are LEGALLY obliged to perform the service. Start using that against them and say you will consult your solicitor and get back to them... watch them change their tune then.
#24: Re: Remap Removal Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:54 am ---- Standard 69bhp Map
This thread really does show the decline in quality of people in this site. This isn't aimed at the OP in anyway. I just cannot believe that in todays day and age where uninsured drivers (which you are if you lie to your insurance company about modification as it makes your insurance void) cost us all by putting up our premiums and ruining peoples lives. Yet people will still advise people not to declare! If you cant afford to insure it dont do it simple! This is an information exchange and the information given should be accurate and should not encourage people to break the law. You wouldnt advise people to go robbing so they can afford a modification so dont advise them to not declare it in order so that they can afford to.
/Rant
To answer the OP it seems like you have got it cheaper by going to pug due to the cost in fuel but the battle with Reddot should be fairly straight forward. The advert says it is free to remove even after 14 days but they wont refund you the cost of the original remap. You relied on this as part of your decision to have a remap and to go with them. They are LEGALLY obliged to perform the service. Start using that against them and say you will consult your solicitor and get back to them... watch them change their tune then.
If this was aimed at me, that was not what I was getting at all. What I was trying to say it basically isn't going to make a difference in what state you are selling it in - it's definately not going to come back and bite you in the ass. Please don't compare robbing to not declaring mods as well, that's just stupid.
My car had a k&n panel filter in, did the buyer say it was there? No. Hell he probably didn't even know it was there himself. I don't think it's expected of the average car owner to strip down their car and dyno it to see what's standard and what's not so they know what to declare.
Just don't loose sleep over it, I certainly wouldn't pay that much to put my car back to standard when the buyer probably won't even give a s**t.
Getting dragged off topic now and I've voiced my opinion but after all it's not my car. Whatever the OP wants to do goodluck with it.
#26: Re: Remap Removal Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:14 pm ---- I'd just sell it as it is, and just say its seems nippy for a 1.4HDI
And if you got 42BHP from just a remap, I'll show my a**e in Burton's window
#27: Re: Remap Removal Author: sam-c, Location: Uni: Kent Home: ScunthorpePosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:26 pm ---- If you dont tell a pospective buyer about a modification which will need to be declared in order to not invalidate their insurance then what sort of person does that make you? You should be as truthful as you can in your advert for the car. Its probably illegal to omit such information but even if there isnt a law which would capture it (which I highly doubt) its highly immoral to say the least
#28: Re: Remap Removal Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:29 pm ---- Meh I've recently learned you never get anywhere in life been all nice and helpful. You get further by been a c***
Once the cash is in my hand, I could give a crap if they smashed it up pulling it off the driveway tbh
If you dont tell a pospective buyer about a modification which will need to be declared in order to not invalidate their insurance then what sort of person does that make you? You should be as truthful as you can in your advert for the car. Its probably illegal to omit such information but even if there isnt a law which would capture it (which I highly doubt) its highly immoral to say the least
Well I must be a s**t person then I only see remaps as a positive thing it's not like you are selling a cloned car.
There of course wouldn't be a law, like I said I would say at least 9/10 people don't even know what parts their cars are made up of let alone actually look into it.
Just have to agree to disagree on this matter really.
Just leave it on? If you really think it's going to put buyers off (it wouldn't put me off) just don't mention it. Remaps are undectable unless someone knows what the engine should be doing and puts it on a dyno? Like said I don't think anyones going to complain who's buying it. Yes I know it should be declared to insurance but if you did crash why would they even suspect it was remapped? let alone be able to prove it.
Sounds like you are worrying or making something a hassle that doesn't have to be, I just don't see why this is an issue.
#38: Re: Remap Removal Author: Lee., Location: Blackwood, South WalesPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:21 pm ---- To the person comparing not declaring a remal to stealing something, let's break it down. A remap is just an adjustment to the ECU making it different to standard. My mate just had to take his Fiesta back to Ford to have the ECU adjusted to correct a fuelling issue thus making the map non standard. Should he now be declaring this? Or are you now labelling him a s**t person?
#39: Re: Remap Removal Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:26 pm ---- I love all the completely uninformed people in this thread. I would say something, but I'm sure it would all get lost in the bullcrap thats flying around.
OP - glad you got it sorted closer to you.
#40: Re: Remap Removal Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:04 am ---- So you believe you can get a 59.4% increase in power just from a remap alone with no other mods?
#41: Re: Remap Removal Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:14 am ----
Lee wrote:
So you believe you can get a 59.4% increase in power just from a remap alone with no other mods?
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