#1: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:58 am ---- hey guys.
before i start the car is a 206 GTI, year-2000 (W)
jumped in the car today, started it up perfectly fine, drove down the road, again perfectly fine. Came to a roundbout took my exit and the GTI just died, fully cut out, was p**sing down and wipers stopped so had to hit the brakes hard!!
when i say died i meen everything stopped, all electrics, engine EVERYTHING.
naturally i tried to start it again and the engine turned over, spluterd but didnt start then just went bk to turning over. This was followed by a nice puff of smoke from behind the steering wheel
tried to put the hazards on, nothing just made a very loud and fast clicking noise, wipers, lights etc done the same. the hazards then did work then after 5 mins went off and the loud fast clicking came bk and the switch didnt turn them off untill they came bk on 5 mins later and i did turn them off as a precaution.
all the clock/date has reset, my HU has reset the needles on the dash wer going mental and the warning lights (handbrake, stop light, EML, ABS etc) wer all flickering when trying to use wipers and start the car etc.
luckely i had a few mates behind me who pushed me out the way, just glad i wasnt on the motorway or somthing!
i called the AA and he towed me home, he reckons the "ignition switch" decided today was the day to pack up, what do you guys think, sound about right??
is this an easy fix or do you all think it could be somthing else?
any help would be great!!!
if you need to know anything else please just ask
on a lighter note she made 140bhp on the rollers today
thanks guys,
Karl. Last edited by GTI_89 on Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:09 am; edited 1 time in total
#2: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:02 am ---- Did the AA guy not put a fault reader on it?
Never heard of the ignition switch causing all electrics to go like that.
I'm thinking it could be something a bit more serious like possibly a cooked BSI.
Were any changes made to the electronics while it was at the RR?
#3: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:03 am ---- Sounds like a knackered ECU/BSI.. Water in engine bay? :S
That is a complete random guess btw. However stating year of car will help
#4: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:08 am ---- he didnt put a fault reader on it no just checked everything was getting power from the battery, which it was.
he said that with smoke coming from behind the wheel and all the relays clicking (not getting the right power though them) he said he would be certain thats what it was.
no electrics where altered on the RR just drove on, handbrake on and ran. The car worked perfectly fine after this with no issues at all.
the car is a 2000 (w) GTI
the engine bar was totally dry, was water here n there which had ran off the wings but nothing major just normal.
"IF" it was the ECU would it be a case of getting a new one or can you use second hand ones from a breakers??
#5: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: -Dave-, Location: North ManchesterPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:09 am ---- I would think it's wierd your car was on a rolling road then dies later on. Not saying it has anything to do with the problem just seemed a coincidence. I would have a guess at the above also, sounds like a ecu/bsi issue.
#6: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:11 am ---- I would get codes read first, or wait unil one of the Lee's sees this post as they are the experts.
However if it is a new ECU you will need: ECU, key with transponder, and all the locks.
#7: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:16 am ---- any fused blown?
might be the circuit some how get shorted then fire up everything?
smoke behind the steering wheel sounds odd too.
#8: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:16 am ----
tomd0801754 wrote:
I would get codes read first, or wait unil one of the Lee's sees this post as they are the experts.
However if it is a new ECU you will need: ECU, key with transponder, and all the locks.
ok i will do.
ok well i should easily be able to get all that from a breakers yard.
when you say all the locks, would that be ignition barrel, doors and boot??
as surely the doors would just work of the keyfob and not need the locks changed but obviously keep the old key incase i needed it...?
#9: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:19 am ---- not sure how easy you can get a preplex gti ecu
#10: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:23 am ---- was i was thinking is if the ignition switch has totally burnt out surely this would cut the car out and stop the electrics from working, because if it sudenly isnt getting the right power the stalks for the wipers/headlights etc aint going to get the power they should thus stoppinng working...
same for the car actually running, it would be like it being turned off...?
as it does still turn over just doesnt start lol
#11: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Andy180+, Location: doncaster south yorkshirePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:26 am ---- may sound dumb here but check the earth leads to the gearbox and onto the body, if one of them goes it causes all sorts of electrical issues, start here its free lol
#12: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:27 am ----
Andy180+ wrote:
may sound dumb here but check the earth leads to the gearbox and onto the body, if one of them goes it causes all sorts of electrical issues, start here its free lol
worth a try i guess, any others i should be checking??
or fuses for that matter?
#13: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:28 am ---- also forgot to say when trying to start it aparently the brake lights wer flickering like mad aswell.....
#14: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Andy180+, Location: doncaster south yorkshirePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:30 am ---- sound just like a major earth fault, get the bonnet open lol
#15: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:33 am ---- he did also say it could of just been some water got somwhere it shouldnt....
it was just with the smoke from behind the steering wheel which got the alarm bells ringing big time!
will go have a look and see if there any loose earth leads.
#16: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:42 am ---- check all fuse as well as earth and battery terminal first.
#17: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:44 am ---- If you are checking the fuses, take each one out in turn and check with a continuity tester. Don't rely on just looking at them by eye.
If the ignition switch was faulty then more than likely you wouldn't even get the engine turning over.
Have you checked the battery with a multimeter to make sure that it's hasn't burnt a cell out.
#18: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:45 am ---- the battery is fine he checked then when he came out, will check all the fuses though
the wipers etc did start to work, then went VERY slowly like everything was in slow mo
#19: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:09 pm ---- what voltage is the battery?
last time AA man check my battery (was 11.9V and he still said is fine)
#20: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:14 pm ---- err im not 100% sure lol i didnt get a good look, maybe round the 17 mark :s i know it went up when the ignition went to the first notch
#21: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:28 pm ----
GTI_89 wrote:
err im not 100% sure lol i didnt get a good look, maybe round the 17 mark :s i know it went up when the ignition went to the first notch
17? I think your battery is well and truly goosed if it is showing that voltage.
#22: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:37 pm ---- lol if im honest i must of glanced over for half a second so i honestly cudnt say.
if it was that goosed it wudnt of started the car in the first place.
i wudnt care i done a 900mile round trip just the day before with no hicups at all !!!
#23: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:19 pm ---- I have two ecu+bsi sets if you want one
I'll read the thread properly later
#24: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:34 pm ----
Lee wrote:
I have two ecu+bsi sets if you want one
I'll read the thread properly later
could you keep a hold of atleast 1 for me mate??
im going to try the ignition switch first see if that solves anything, should be able to have that done in a few days, if it doesnt fix it i will know what the problem is.
#25: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Will180, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:42 pm ---- where bouts in newcastle are you?
#26: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: pug206lx, Location: Taking a gearbox off somewherePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:57 pm ---- my first guess would be gearbox earth.
Ive seen a 206 with a battery on it in a scrappy with no windscreen and all the electrics wet doing all these random relay clicks and not much else working. maybe water seeing as its raining?
#27: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:05 pm ----
Will180 wrote:
where bouts in newcastle are you?
im in gateshead @ lobley hill.
just had my next door neighber round who is a mechanic and he doesnt think its the ignition switch OR the ECU as its cranking perfectly fine and the fact that its smoking from behind the wheel is basically leading us to the source/start or the problem.
he thinks it will either be the chip reader or the err oh what was it... the ring for the airbag or somthing?? we going to strip it down tomorow and find exactly where the smoke is coming from.
tried it again there and it smoked again, with the key on the 1st notch (battery light on) when you turn the sidelights on it just about kills all the power, fuel needle stops working, the sidelight warning light on the dash is very dim, the clock display goes off etc.
bloody sick i am!!
#28: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:28 pm ---- Earth strap.
The relays clicking will be from the poor connection not giving enough power.
#29: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Andy180+, Location: doncaster south yorkshirePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:29 pm ---- i said that lol
#30: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:31 pm ----
Lee wrote:
Earth strap.
The relays clicking will be from the poor connection not giving enough power.
earth strap where though?? there must be hundreds of them!
the relays have actually stopped clicking now and when you try somthing like the wipers or lights it either doesnt work, kills the poker to everything else or works but not fully :S
what would explain the smoke though??
wish it was just somthing simple as i really need to car for monday morning lol
#31: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Andy180+, Location: doncaster south yorkshirePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:33 pm ---- the earth strap from the battery to the gearbox and the body of the car
it will be trying to earth via everything
#32: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: loudnproud, Location: derbyPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:38 pm ---- check main earth strap from battery mine did same ( cut out and sometimes electrics went mad) and turned out earth strap had snapped and was swinging around down in the engine bay,not saying it is this but worth a try i just used some 0 awg wire from my amp kit,
#33: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:41 pm ----
loudnproud wrote:
check main earth strap from battery mine did same ( cut out and sometimes electrics went mad) and turned out earth strap had snapped and was swinging around down in the engine bay,not saying it is this but worth a try i just used some 0 awg wire from my amp kit,
will go take a look before it gets to dark
#34: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:45 pm ----
Andy180+ wrote:
i said that lol
I was emphasising it
Along with the 4 million others that have said the same lol
If you need a earth strap give me a shout, should have one somewhere in my stash
#35: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:46 pm ----
GTI_89 wrote:
Lee wrote:
Earth strap.
The relays clicking will be from the poor connection not giving enough power.
earth strap where though?? there must be hundreds of them!
the relays have actually stopped clicking now and when you try somthing like the wipers or lights it either doesnt work, kills the poker to everything else or works but not fully :S
what would explain the smoke though??
wish it was just somthing simple as i really need to car for monday morning lol
main earth strap is negative battery terminal to gearbox
#36: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Andy180+, Location: doncaster south yorkshirePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:48 pm ----
Lee wrote:
Andy180+ wrote:
i said that lol
I was emphasising it
Along with the 4 million others that have said the same lol
If you need a earth strap give me a shout, should have one somewhere in my stash
#37: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Andy180+, Location: doncaster south yorkshirePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:49 pm ---- if its broken ask a mechanic lol normally helps
oooppps did i type that ????
#38: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:58 pm ---- right you bunch of cocky fookers lol
Thank you VERY VERY MUCH for all your help but yes its the earth strap lol
it has snapped from the gearbox to the body.
i rested it in place and tried again an boom started first time
ok im not the brightest and it may of took 3 pages but i know whats up now and will sort it tomorow :D
thanks again (cheeky tw*ats ;) )
Karl.
#39: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Andy180+, Location: doncaster south yorkshirePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:07 pm ---- nah nah nah nah nah nah lol pmsl
#40: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: GTI_89, Location: NewcastlePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:14 pm ----
Andy180+ wrote:
nah nah nah nah nah nah lol pmsl
well least you can go to bed tonight happy in the knowledge that you helped a fellow 206info simpleton
#41: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: shell-vt, Location: durhamPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:15 pm ---- keep smilin karl....
#42: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:26 pm ----
#43: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Andy180+, Location: doncaster south yorkshirePosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:28 pm ---- thats what we are here for Karl, no worries pal
#44: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:07 pm ----
GTI_89 wrote:
tomd0801754 wrote:
I would get codes read first, or wait unil one of the Lee's sees this post as they are the experts.
However if it is a new ECU you will need: ECU, key with transponder, and all the locks.
ok i will do.
ok well i should easily be able to get all that from a breakers yard.
when you say all the locks, would that be ignition barrel, doors and boot??
as surely the doors would just work of the keyfob and not need the locks changed but obviously keep the old key incase i needed it...?
not quite right. Just did mine. New ECU, BSI and transponders are needed. No need for the locks.
#45: Re: Car totally died on me when driving, full details inside ;) Author: Chris_38, Location: DrugbyPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:17 am ---- Did u sort this issue out I've jus had the same thing happen to me today
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