#1: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: GTIjim, Location: LincolnPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:20 am ---- I've not had my 99k miles GTI long and its proving to be frustrating.....27mpg aint cool considering all of it's use comes from back roads and dual carriageways. It doesnt get a hard time, I think ive had it past 4000rpm a handful of times pulling onto the A1.
I've changed the fuel filter (and checked for leaks- none), used Forte injector cleaner and changed the air filter which wasnt particularly bad anyway. There are no fault codes stored in the memory.
So, could it be:
Lambda/o2?
Map Sensor?
Plugs?
Worn injectors?
The idle too is a little lumpy which is felt in the car and observed on the rev counter, nothing erratic but a gentle flicker either way.
Any thoughts?
Jim
#2: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:25 am ---- Thats about right isnt it? the most i had out of my GTI was about 35mpg on a 300 mile run to the I.O.W
You didnt say if its been serviced a good oil change and air filter , tyre presures? may help
#3: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:27 am ---- Seems normal to me.
#4: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:28 am ---- Yeah pretty sure thats about right tbh.
#5: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:30 am ---- 27 mpg from a GTI is about right, my 1.4 only does 33mpg average
My mum's 1.8 Mondeo when i've driven it only does 29mpg average.
#6: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Linkpad, Location: WalesPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:49 am ---- I got a 138 and does about that, although i do Kane it. U don't buy a GTI for fuel ecomomy !!
#7: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: oldskoolz, Location: LondonPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:50 am ----
Linkpad wrote:
U don't buy a GTI for fuel ecomomy !!
THIS
#8: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:11 am ---- my HDi GTi, is getting around 38.9 in town, however i took it on a long drive to coventry at the weekend and got 58.9. and i know mines a diesel, but just thought i'd give you the comparison, lol .
#9: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:21 am ----
Ghosty wrote:
my HDi GTi, is getting around 38.9 in town, however i took it on a long drive to coventry at the weekend and got 58.9. and i know mines a diesel, but just thought i'd give you the comparison, lol .
1.6HDI + Short Journeys = asking for trouble
#10: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Ghosty, Location: WiltshirePosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:23 am ---- tell me about it, mine keeps trying to re-gen. might have to get it all removed
#11: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:34 am ---- I'd get about 30mpg daily in my old GTi.
27 isn't that bad, my current is 16mpg
#12: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: GTIjim, Location: LincolnPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:39 am ---- It was only a matter of time before someone 'piped up' with the old "you don't buy a gti for economy" comment, however, the combined figures are 35.something mpg. It isn't doing this which would lead me to believe there is a fault of sorts. I had asked about what sort of figures owners were getting before buying and the general opinion was that given my usage of the car 35mpg wasn't unrealistic.
I think you must have missed my description on how the car is being used. If it was being driven hard I'd gladly accept 27mpg but it isn't.
For those looking to stay 'on topic' keeping the discussion technical and avoid petulant comments, the tyre pressures are correct and checked weekly, I don't use supermarket fuel and the only modification is it's lowered.
Do Peugeot fit ECUs that 'learn' your driving style? Would disconnecting the battery for a set time reset the ECU?
Regards,
Jim
#13: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:46 am ----
GTIjim wrote:
It was only a matter of time before someone 'piped up' with the old "you don't buy a gti for economy" comment, however, the combined figures are 35.something mpg. It isn't doing this which would lead me to believe there is a fault of sorts. I had asked about what sort of figures owners were getting before buying and the general opinion was that given my usage of the car 35mpg wasn't unrealistic.
I think you must have missed my description on how the car is being used. If it was being driven hard I'd gladly accept 27mpg but it isn't.
For those looking to stay 'on topic' keeping the discussion technical and avoid petulant comments, the tyre pressures are correct and checked weekly, I don't use supermarket fuel and the only modification is it's lowered.
Do Peugeot fit ECUs that 'learn' your driving style? Would disconnecting the battery for a set time reset the ECU?
Regards,
Jim
Just because Peugeot "say" thats the averege it doesnt mean its the average for you, its probably an average if you stay in 3rd gear at 60mph on a very long road.
In the real world you will get around 27mpg, another example is the RX8, Mazda say you can get around 26mpg but in reality your luck to get 18mpg
Just live with it or get rid of it.
#14: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:02 am ---- 35mpg that Peugeot tell you is at optimum air temperature, humidity, gear changes, acceleration, wind speed, etc.
Basically Lab conditions.
27mpg is fine.
The adaptive ecu is with regards of air flow, injection, and mechanical things, not the guy behind the wheel.
This is not your car....
#15: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: spike_202, Location: West midsPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:13 am ---- i wish mine did that haha
#16: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:20 am ---- Its also very cold atm, so the car will be adding extra fuel to compensate for the cold air!!
#17: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: D4NTP, Location: Not Leeds or its surrounding areas!Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:39 am ---- Mine averages ~35 driving 'with traffic' on B roads. It drops off a fair amount when im doing motorway speeds probably because its pretty short geared.
#18: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: ExoVyper, Location: Waiting for the tugboats to push me into port (Whitehaven)Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:47 am ---- my twingo gt was rated at 50mpg but only ever did 40 tops
#19: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:55 am ----
Mattie-RS wrote:
Its also very cold atm, so the car will be adding extra fuel to compensate for the cold air!!
But you get more power so I don't care. Every little helps when you only have a little to start with
#20: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:08 am ---- Round the track my GTi averaged 16mpg.
I once had 40mpg traveling at 40mph for 20 miles with very low RPM and steady gear changes.
As others have said circa 30mpg is normal for day to day driving. Last edited by CD-B3 on Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:35 am; edited 1 time in total
#21: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: sri16v, Location: WalesPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:11 am ---- Doesnt sound "normal" if your driving like a saint. My 2001 GTi was very good on fuel, seemed to just sip fuel, 280 miles on a half tank was my best (sat at 70mph on motorway) even though I was going on holiday so a lot of extra weight in the car which wont have helped.
I have been averaging 34-38 mpg over 120 miles in my 180, that was driving like a saint, changing gear at no more than 3000 rpm and block shifting from 3rd gear to 5th a lot, with a couple of blasts up to 100 on a section of dual carrigeway with 6 roundabouts in between.
Used to get 27-29mpg average when I first got it, but price of fuel has slowed me down a lot.
#22: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Linkpad, Location: WalesPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:28 am ---- Is there an easy way of checking the injectors without blowing fuel everywhere ?
#23: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:36 am ----
Linkpad wrote:
Is there an easy way of checking the injectors without blowing fuel everywhere ?
Unbolt fuel rail.
Have a friend turn key to position 2 and check injectors.
#24: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: LeeMaddern, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:38 am ---- at 50mph i can get 74mpg in my gti 180. not stright roads either, personally i loose mpg when i have my foot in a different possition.
on the 60mile round trip to my girlfriends, i got an avrage of 46.09mpg, which is a mixture between all types of roads including motoways.
and at this rmp and speed.
i got this
#25: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:50 am ---- That 74mpg is the current is it not? Not the average?
#26: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: ExoVyper, Location: Waiting for the tugboats to push me into port (Whitehaven)Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:14 am ---- irregardless of what you do on them backroads are a killer for fuel economy
i drive on one quite a bit in my diesel and it decimates my MPG
you 180 might ahve gotten that but thats cause it was a 120mile stint on the motorway. I bet the gti wouldn't be far off the same MPG in the same circumstance
#27: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:25 am ---- I get about 35 in my 2.0HDi
#28: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Mikey2uk, Location: StevenagePosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:29 am ----
Lee wrote:
I get about 35 in my 2.0HDi
Now thats horrendous Im getting around 48 in my 2.0HDi
#29: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: M60SHW, Location: CarlislePosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:34 am ---- Peugeot lie, gti 180 for example haha
#30: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:50 am ----
M60SHW wrote:
Peugeot lie, gti 180 for example haha
#31: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: ramigojag, Location: worcestershirePosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:01 pm ---- I agree with the OP 27 is pretty p**s poor, in my 180 i can easily get around 33 - 35mpg thats with all kinds of driving mainly on B roads and through town though
#32: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:04 pm ----
Mattie-RS wrote:
Its also very cold atm, so the car will be adding extra fuel to compensate for the cold air!!
For every 10 degrees reduction in temperature you need 3% more fuel so cold weather isn't going to make much difference.
#33: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Andy180, Location: Stoke on TrentPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:11 pm ----
Quote::
27 mpg from a GTI is about right, my 1.4 only does 33mpg average
I'd cry if i had a 1.4 and it only did 33mpg my 180's only 4mpg worse than that .
#34: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:19 pm ----
Mikey2uk wrote:
Lee wrote:
I get about 35 in my 2.0HDi
Now thats horrendous Im getting around 48 in my 2.0HDi
I don't even think I was getting that when I was learning
#35: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Brian, Location: VVT Land, FifePosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:36 pm ---- 27mpg sounds about right! I average about 29mpg in the GTi 183
#36: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: jayz206gti, Location: TamworthPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:30 pm ---- I average aroun 28-29 in my 180 so i dont see the fuss? I used to get about 15mpg in my scooby lol
#37: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:52 pm ----
Andy180 wrote:
Quote::
27 mpg from a GTI is about right, my 1.4 only does 33mpg average
I'd cry if i had a 1.4 and it only did 33mpg my 180's only 4mpg worse than that .
Sound a bit of a pansy if you cry over fuel consumption
33 mpg average is perfectly fine for the conditions I make my TU3 operate under
#38: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: namgaj, Location: Chasing Ash, Addaz and Lee........... hopefully catching Addaz and havin fun :PPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:01 pm ---- Get your foot down and have fun, unless your a "tree hugger" dont worry about such things as MPG. Between 10-14 MPG when hoofing round town for me
#39: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:37 pm ---- It costs me about £5 to give it the beans up and down the Hlome Moss pass wich is about 4 miles.
#40: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:08 pm ----
Edward wrote:
Mattie-RS wrote:
Its also very cold atm, so the car will be adding extra fuel to compensate for the cold air!!
For every 10 degrees reduction in temperature you need 3% more fuel so cold weather isn't going to make much difference.
Summer temps are around 15-20 degrees, Current temp 0-5 degrees
there's 3% more fuel atleast there
I'm sure that will give around 3-5mpg worse off!!
#41: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:48 am ---- Drive it and enjoy it. If you want an economical car then you need to buy a) a diesel or b) a brand new Eco car.
If it has had a good service and tyre pressure are correct and your driving style is perfectly Eco then there is nothing else you can do.
Mattie- 5% more fuel used. At 27mpg = 1.35mpg less = 25.65mpg
#42: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: CommanderBrot, Location: WürzburgPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:50 am ---- I drive a 138 and I get between 32 and 37 mpg.
I know a GTI isn't one of the most economical cars out there but 27 mpg still is very poor - if driven softly! So in my opinion there's either something wrong with the car or with the style of driving...
#43: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:29 am ---- I always averaged 30mpg in mine. So 27mpg if doing slower roads or shorter runs is expected.
#44: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: crocdino, Location: LeedsPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:44 pm ---- To be fair if I drive with economy in mind I average 36mog from the tank. That's never redlining it for fun, maybe the odd overtake.
#45: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: 2Oh!6, Location: GloucesterPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:30 pm ---- I get about 30mpg from my gt tdi, I feel as though driving costs a fortune no matter how you drive so I just like to enjoy it if i'm forking out for all of the costs.
#46: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: crocdino, Location: LeedsPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:46 pm ----
2Oh!6 wrote:
I get about 30mpg from my gt tdi, I feel as though driving costs a fortune no matter how you drive so I just like to enjoy it if i'm forking out for all of the costs.
You've a good point there... The actual cost is so high when you look at everything - depreciation, mot, service, tax, insurance etc etc the actual percentage of the full running costs for the difference between 30 and 40mpg will be fairly small.
In other words may as well enjoy your car to its potential!
#47: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: 2Oh!6, Location: GloucesterPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:09 pm ----
crocdino wrote:
2Oh!6 wrote:
I get about 30mpg from my gt tdi, I feel as though driving costs a fortune no matter how you drive so I just like to enjoy it if i'm forking out for all of the costs.
You've a good point there... The actual cost is so high when you look at everything - depreciation, mot, service, tax, insurance etc etc the actual percentage of the full running costs for the difference between 30 and 40mpg will be fairly small.
In other words may as well enjoy your car to its potential!
Yup - I like driving, I wouldn't want to hate it and squeeze an extra 5-10 miles out of every 6 quid I put in the tank.
It's like people who have cars with things such as air con, heated seats etc then don't use it to save fuel, surely driving in comfort is worth saving a minimal amount on fuel.
#48: 206 gti what's your average mpg? Author: m4tth3w, Location: sheffieldPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:12 pm ---- As above, what are you gti and 180 owners getting to the gallon overrall?
#49: Re: 206 gti what's your average mpg? Author: jayz206gti, Location: TamworthPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:18 pm ---- Didnt we have this discussion last week?
#50: Re: 206 gti what's your average mpg? Author: m4tth3w, Location: sheffieldPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:21 pm ---- I didn't
#51: Re: 206 gti what's your average mpg? Author: jayz206gti, Location: TamworthPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:39 pm ---- Oh yeh it was miles per year, Use the search function buddy-Search 'Average MPG' and you will get more info than you will ever get in replies here as its been asked so many times.
#52: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: rick-gti, Location: welshpool, mid walesPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:09 am ---- i had a 320bhp scooby highly modified that done 7mpg maybe 11 if i drove sensible, if you want an eco car buy one. when the weather warms up you will notice an increase.
my 2000 gti 138 averages around 30mpg, when it runs out i fill it up
#53: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: CommanderBrot, Location: WürzburgPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:14 am ---- Sorry, but this discussion is not really helping... I think he knows that there are a lot of cars out there that are much more 'eco' than a GTI.
But a softly driven typical GTI does nonetheless seem to have a much better mileage than what he's currently getting. So there must be something wrong with the car.
My typical commute is about 8 miles with a little bit of city traffic and now in the winter I still get way over 30 mpg.
#54: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: GTIjim, Location: LincolnPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:38 am ----
CommanderBrot wrote:
Sorry, but this discussion is not really helping... I think he knows that there are a lot of cars out there that are much more 'eco' than a GTI.
But a softly driven typical GTI does nonetheless seem to have a much better mileage than what he's currently getting. So there must be something wrong with the car.
My typical commute is about 8 miles with a little bit of city traffic and now in the winter I still get way over 30 mpg.
Well put, thank you!
****UPDATE****
Well, i disconnected the battery and removed the MAP sensor and was very surprised to see it was exactly the same as that fitted to my old Laguna dci. Even more surprising was its condition. Absolutely caked in grime/dust. A couple of hours soak in some electrical contact cleaner, a scrub with a model paint brush and a wipe with a rolled up piece of kitchen roll revealed the amount of gunk that was in there, 99,000 miles worth. I suspect it has had an induction kit (a naff one at that!) and has sucked in a fair bit more than it should have.
Battery back on, and out for a spin. Felt different straight away. More responsive at the bottom of the rev range, not so much up top. Anyway, the commute back felt no different but the figures don't lie. Fuel light on > 20 litres (4.34 gallons) in > 160 miles exactly...fuel light on. That's 36.8mpg. Somewhat different to the 27mpg only a few weeks ago.
Now I have had the opportunity (over the xmas break rather than just commuting) I have been driving it hard on twisty back roads and it's a brilliant little car. Handling and feel are superb, engine is nice and lively and pulls hard especially out of low speed corners and over taking is a joy!
Regards,
Jim
#55: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: crocdino, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:30 pm ---- Good news
My lasses does 36mpg when she drives it. About 32 when i do...
Might try clean the MAP sensor on it see if it improves.
Where is it exactly :-S
#56: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:44 pm ---- Think i may be pulling the map sensor out of my gti sometime this week, its not too bad on fuel but i did kill some this morning. But that was due to me being 18 and going from my 1.4 into the GTi
#57: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: GTIjim, Location: LincolnPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:28 pm ---- It's at the front of the inlet manifold. Just one 8mm bolt IIRC. Do it when the engine is cool or you'll burn your hand on the rad. My advice would be: Disconnect the battery, undo the bolt and use the loom to assist the removal (gently!)
Jim
#58: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: Mike_XS, Location: SouthamptonPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 3:23 am ---- I'll defiantly have a look at mine. I don't do too badly on fuel. Did 250 miles yesterday on just over half a tank. A few more MPG would be nice though!
#59: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: crocdino, Location: LeedsPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:58 am ---- What's best to clean it?
#60: Re: Horrendous MPG from 206 GTI Author: colganraz, Location: LeedsPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:18 am ---- i have currently got 29.1 MPG out of my last half tank of fuel in my xsi
knocking about can usually get around 34-36 MPG taking it steady
20 mile commute to work can easily get about 42 MPG without even trying to save fuel
i cant see the figures being massively different on the 2.0 gti
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in my gti 180. not stright roads either, personally i loose mpg when i have my foot in a different possition.
haha
