#1: 1.9d no starty Author: wurlyvalve, Location: SuffolkPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:29 am ---- Hi all,
I wonder if anyone can help.
My 1.9d will not start this morning. It cranks away and fuel is being pumped through - I can smell it.
My main suspicion is the glow plugs aren't turning on. The light on the dashboard has never turned on! Even when it was below 0 outside.
I tried scanning the ecu with a pug scantool but it said the obd port was dead.
I've read around on the net and there were a few threads about the ECU multi function relay dying and taking out the rev counter (which doesn't work), the glow plug relay drive and the obd port power feed. All sounds likely. I've bought one, but can't fit it as I can't find it on the car. In fact, I can't even find an ECU.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Glen.
#2: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:36 am ---- Does it turn over?
#3: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:43 am ----
wurlyvalve wrote:
It cranks away.
#4: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: wurlyvalve, Location: SuffolkPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:47 am ---- lol. The starter is spinning the crank fine.
It looks like I have fuel pressure - I think this because the fuel lines to the injectors are weeping fuel. So I'm not (yet) thinking it is the fuel imobiliser issue.
#5: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:13 am ----
MrrNoName wrote:
wurlyvalve wrote:
It cranks away.
Shush you.
Does it crack consistently or die off (ie definately not just a firing battery).
#6: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: wurlyvalve, Location: SuffolkPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:22 am ---- Yep, sits there at 150rpm ish on the starter. Can sit there for minutes - should I wish to flatten battery. Doesn't slow down or even try to fire.
Glen.
#7: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: davecuk, Location: lincsPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 3:30 am ---- hi, as it's cranking it could be that the chip reader on steering lock cylinder isn't reading the chip
#8: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:13 am ---- Immo is on the fuel pump on this old car.
Fuel relay is a big brown thing with about 15 pins.
#9: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: wurlyvalve, Location: SuffolkPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:13 am ---- So the stop solenoid imobiliser system has given up? Any tips for testing this? There is fuel leaking out of the injector pipes which I thought would suggest that the stop solenoid is working. I'm probably wrong though.
Glen.
#10: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: wurlyvalve, Location: SuffolkPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:46 am ---- Definetly the glow plug control/relay. I've got the engine running by putting a jump start lead across from the VBatt + to the glow plug line (after disconnecting the original feed). Starts straight away!
So, I bought a new multi function ecu relay. But where does it go? According to the haynes manual it is under the ecu. According to the haynes manual the ecu is on the right hand side of the engine bay. I can find a steel plate but it does not have an ecu that I recognise. It has a small black box. There is no multi function relay underneath it.
Glen.
#11: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: paul_c, Location: UKPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:28 am ----
wurlyvalve wrote:
Definetly the glow plug control/relay. I've got the engine running by putting a jump start lead across from the VBatt + to the glow plug line (after disconnecting the original feed). Starts straight away!
That's odd, a diesel should start, albeit reluctantly, after a lot of turning over if the glowplugs have gone, even in this weather:
wurlyvalve wrote:
Yep, sits there at 150rpm ish on the starter. Can sit there for minutes - should I wish to flatten battery. Doesn't slow down or even try to fire.
Glen.
#12: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: wurlyvalve, Location: SuffolkPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:31 am ---- It won't. I can crank for ever, then one touch of the feed to the batt and up she starts. My friends Citreon (xud9) was exactly the same (even in the summer).
#13: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: paul_c, Location: UKPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:35 am ---- OK no worries.
#14: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:05 am ----
#15: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: wurlyvalve, Location: SuffolkPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:27 am ---- Ace, thankyou. Will check it out in a bit. A picture paints a thousand words When haynes said rhs I was looking drivers side, doh.
#16: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:33 am ---- iF your immob is faulty you can bypass it quite easy on the old 1.9 engine. they is no ecu as its the older dw8 engine and is mechanical controlled
if all else fails tow it and bump it around 20 mph in second that shold get it going
This is like what I've bought. On my cay, where your arrow is, I've got a (much smaller) fusebox. The Haynes say it is underneath the ecu. I'll try to photograph my engine bay and post up.
Thanks,
Glen.
#18: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:51 am ---- Your's the WJY or WJZ?
#19: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: wurlyvalve, Location: SuffolkPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:14 am ---- lol. Stupid head does not know. How do I tell
#20: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:24 am ---- what's your vin?
#21: Re: 1.9d no starty Author: wurlyvalve, Location: SuffolkPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:28 am ---- penny dropped. WJZ, no ecu - lol.
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When haynes said rhs I was looking drivers side, doh.
