#1: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Stigter, Location: NorthwestPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:13 am ---- I got a 206 gti 180 with 86k on the clock. registered dec 2003
Its got MOT and Tax till end of June 2012.
What the best thing to do? sell it whole or break it?
if so what you expect to get back in each option?
#2: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Barking, Location: sarcasm-in-shedloadsPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:24 am ---- Is there anything wrong with the car?
If not it seems pointless breaking it
#3: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:25 am ---- Stick it up for sale, some chav will buy it to ruin
#4: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: iainlovatt, Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:27 am ---- We're about in the northwest are you? I could be very interested in purchasing it off you,
#5: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: L5_UKS, Location: West MidlandsPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:28 am ---- As its a 180 it will have all the desirable parts to break, However seems a shame to brake a perfectly good car?
#6: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Matt, Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:29 am ---- Break it. You will accumulate more than the £1300-£1500 it is worth as a whole.
#7: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Stigter, Location: NorthwestPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:38 am ----
Matt wrote:
Break it. You will accumulate more than the £1300-£1500 it is worth as a whole.
Cheers - I still don't know what to do
Car working fine - apart from needing either droplinks or wishbones and slight blow from exhaust - bodywork wise its all good apart from carpark dent on drivers side rear quarter.
I could really do with a list of parts and prices that people might pay for them to see if its worth breaking - I have the space to do it.
Pictures are a thousand words: taken yesterday:-
Cambelt changed, every mot and tax disc going back to 2008 i think. Need to check Last edited by Stigter on Sun May 06, 2012 12:17 pm; edited 1 time in total
#8: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:41 am ---- Be warned there are far to many dreamers on here who will let you down after they say they want to buy something from you
Better of just sticking the car up for sale with a reserve.
#9: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: iainlovatt, Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:46 am ---- Tbh that is something you have to figure out yourself, u will also have a car that is slowly being broken sat on your drive for months,
#10: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Matt, Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:48 am ---- I'd say with reasonable parts prices you won't have to wait long before the decent stuff is gone and them you scrap the rest.
#11: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Ash, Location: Running from Ant and Lee and Adam...........Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:50 am ---- Sell it. You get a lump sum of cash which you can then reinvest into a another business venture quickly.
#12: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Matt, Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:54 am ---- Desirable parts:
Wheels
Bonnet
Engine
Arbs
Rear lights
Headlights
Front bumper
Rear bumper
Steering wheel
Seats
Pedals
Doorcards
Glovebox lid
Handbrake
Speedo
Gear knob
Mats?
Sp grills?
Arches?
Wings
Boot strip
Spoiler
Gearbox
Arch liners
Vent sliders?
Radio
Cd changer
Climate unit
PPT40
Doors
Tailgate
Comm2000
Back box
#13: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Matt, Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:03 pm ---- Pmd'd
#14: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Stigter, Location: NorthwestPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:36 pm ---- after running through the numbers I think the car will be broken when the mot expires and will be listed in the classifieds.
#15: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: BioCustoms, Location: LeedsPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:39 pm ---- SWEET
#16: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:40 pm ---- With tax and mot trust me it isn't worth splitting, may get a bit more in the end but it won't be worth the hassle will be stuck with spare parts for years to come especially with 180s you kind of have to wait for people to buy it as they aren't massively popular so need somewhere big to store the parts.
#17: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Matt, Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:43 pm ----
Harry wrote:
especially with 180s you kind of have to wait for people to buy it as they aren't massively popular so need somewhere big to store the parts.
Am I reading this right?
180 parts aren't popular?
#18: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Stigter, Location: NorthwestPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:43 pm ----
Harry wrote:
With tax and mot trust me it isn't worth splitting, may get a bit more in the end but it won't be worth the hassle will be stuck with spare parts for years to come especially with 180s you kind of have to wait for people to buy it as they aren't massively popular so need somewhere big to store the parts.
You bought my black 206 gti a few years back if you recall and then just broke it down for parts - I am just looking at all the options. I have the space to do it so its a viable option
#19: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Howey, Location: Kings LynnPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:50 pm ---- How much for the whole car?
#20: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Stigter, Location: NorthwestPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:54 pm ----
Howey wrote:
How much for the whole car?
I think thats my issue - I don't know what its worth as whole - or in parts.
#21: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:58 pm ---- Yes mate of course I remember yours was the first I bought it's all about how much you can get for it as a whole, from experience unless you literally can't even shift it for around £1500 don't even consider breaking it it just isn't worth your time.
No Matt you are reading it right, the nice added '180 trim' isn't worth that much - the bulk of the profit is in the spares / repairs part market. On here 180 seems popular but that's because people who have them are mainly owners clubs sort of people. Not many people outside of info really have one.
Normal gtis on the other hand are much more common, shove random parts on ebay and you will get interest instantly pretty much.
+ I've sold nimrods for £120 - £150 within a week, took me months to try and shift sets of vortexs for £250
Still got a 180 interior that I would do for £300 (that's inc doorcards + glovebox) but literally had no interest in it not even any offers, half leather interior however for £100 would go straight away. Don't think people are willing to shell out the extra for 180 stuff these days
#22: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:59 pm ---- Stick the car up on Ebay with a sensible reserve price & watch the chavs bid away
#23: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Stigter, Location: NorthwestPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:03 pm ---- someone already offered to buy the interior within minutes.
#24: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: BioCustoms, Location: LeedsPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:04 pm ---- well im willing to folk out deffinetly for the parts so il 1 person
#25: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Andy180, Location: Stoke on TrentPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:05 pm ---- Be a waste of a good car if you break it for parts.
#26: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:06 pm ----
Stigter wrote:
someone already offered to buy the interior within minutes.
What about the rest of the car?
#27: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Stigter, Location: NorthwestPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:11 pm ----
MrBSI wrote:
Stigter wrote:
someone already offered to buy the interior within minutes.
What about the rest of the car?
Not really asked - point of the thread is to decide 1 of 3 options:
1. Keep it - investigate droplinks/wishbone thats knocking over small bumps and fix exhaust leak.
2. Sell it now
3. Break it after mot expires
#28: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:13 pm ---- Oh and + you WILL get loads of offers and people saying they will 100% buy something but probably only 1 in 10 of those people actually buying something, get prepared to answer a lot of messages
#29: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: BioCustoms, Location: LeedsPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:27 pm ----
Harry wrote:
Oh and + you WILL get loads of offers and people saying they will 100% buy something but probably only 1 in 10 of those people actually buying something, get prepared to answer a lot of messages
just to clear this up i will put a deposit down right now on what i want
#30: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Stigter, Location: NorthwestPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:29 pm ----
Spratty wrote:
Harry wrote:
Oh and + you WILL get loads of offers and people saying they will 100% buy something but probably only 1 in 10 of those people actually buying something, get prepared to answer a lot of messages
just to clear this up i will put a deposit down right now on what i want
Your name is already down.
#31: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:33 pm ---- That wasn't personal
Most people on here are alright to be honest, bunch of jokers on ebay however
#32: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: BioCustoms, Location: LeedsPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:40 pm ----
Harry wrote:
That wasn't personal
Most people on here are alright to be honest, bunch of jokers on ebay however
ye i know bud didnt take it like that at all
#33: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:42 pm ---- as has been said parting a car out is not as easy as it sounds hrs and bloody hrs emailing then trying to post it all.
thats without the timewasters and then those that say the parts turned up broken when you know they were fine when you sent them.
#34: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: BioCustoms, Location: LeedsPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:50 pm ---- end of the day anybody in this position have got to work out what do they value more the money that can be earnt or there time
#35: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: broadblaster, Location: south coastPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:55 pm ----
Spratty wrote:
end of the day anybody in this position have got to work out what do they value more the money that can be earnt or there time
so very true as its not a 5 min job to do.
i have done a few in the past and tbh never again my time is worth more than the few quid extra you get from parting it out, but if you got nothing else to do then yes you can make a few quid on the side.
#36: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: spike_202, Location: West midsPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:59 pm ---- It would be a shame to split it as it's in good nick. I would put it on pistonheads (free) and see how much intrest you get look on eBay,auto trader to see what they go for then just sell it at what the Market price,
unless your getting a 2nd 206 you could use some parts for spears/upgrades and makes some money on the way?
#37: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Ali_H, Location: Chichester, SussexPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:01 pm ---- If you get £200 more to break it and it takes any more than 40 hours to strip, wrap and post it all out then you don't really value your time much. Fiver an hour, woop woop.
#38: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Stigter, Location: NorthwestPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:02 pm ----
spike_202 wrote:
It would be a shame to split it as it's in good nick. I would put it on pistonheads (free) and see how much intrest you get look on eBay,auto trader to see what they go for then just sell it at what the Market price,
unless your getting a 2nd 206 you could use some parts for spears/upgrades and makes some money on the way?
Cheers for all your advice people.
#39: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:04 pm ---- Tax and test it, and sell it as one.
#40: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: spike_202, Location: West midsPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:04 pm ---- On the outher hand, I do need some 180 torsion bars lol well 1of them of them to be precise
#41: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:06 pm ----
spike_202 wrote:
On the outher hand, I do need some 180 torsion bars lol well 1of them of them to be precise
#42: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:06 pm ----
spike_202 wrote:
On the outher hand, I do need some 180 torsion bars lol well 1of them of them to be precise
They are only £55 new.
#43: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Stigter, Location: NorthwestPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:08 pm ---- Working out the numbers I got to the following:
Sell the car whole= £1200-1400 as it stands
Break the car = £2100+ using rough prices as outlined below not including all the other little bits and bobs
So as you can see it almost makes sense to break it.
What are your thoughts?
#44: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: spike_202, Location: West midsPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:09 pm ----
Harry wrote:
spike_202 wrote:
On the outher hand, I do need some 180 torsion bars lol well 1of them of them to be precise
Haha I new you would say summet
And Lee I know I've got to order one on Tuesday, Hopfuly pug won't fudge my order up this time
#45: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:09 pm ---- why to Break it while you can JUST sell it
#46: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Harry, Location: StaffordPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:10 pm ---- Couldn't resist it is pretty random though
Are 180s seriously going that cheap these days?
#47: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Stigter, Location: NorthwestPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:11 pm ----
Timon2210 wrote:
why to Break it while you can JUST sell it
I guess because I think its worth more in bits as above
#48: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:13 pm ---- You need to research your prices. 95% of them are way off.
#49: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Stigter, Location: NorthwestPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:16 pm ----
Lee wrote:
You need to research your prices. 95% of them are way off.
That isn't my prices - I was just trying to estimate what the parts would sell for - I expect there is some stuff either too cheap or expensive. It just a thread to try and work out the best option.
#50: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: -Dave-, Location: North ManchesterPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:16 pm ---- If you have the time, space and patience to break it then do it. But apart from the popular bits you may find yourself sitting on stuff that may not sell for a while. However selling it as it is may not give you the best return but saves a lot of work breaking the car, Advertising the parts and sending them out to people. Plus not having to deal with people letting you down or trying to say items haven't turned up etc.
#51: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: spike_202, Location: West midsPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:19 pm ---- Try gum tree and that swapz web site see if you could swap it for something else?
#52: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Matt, Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:37 pm ----
Lee wrote:
You need to research your prices. 95% of them are way off.
I'd say Arbs aside, those prices look about right.
#53: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 2:47 pm ----
Stigter wrote:
Working out the numbers I got to the following:
Sell the car whole= £1200-1400 as it stands
Break the car = £2100+ using rough prices as outlined below not including all the other little bits and bobs
Wheels £250 - ok
Bonnet £50 - too high
Engine £200 - too low
Arbs £80 - too high
Rear lights £40 - too high
Headlights £50 - ok
Front bumper £50 - too low
Rear bumper £40 - too high
Steering wheel £40 - too high
Seats £250 - ok
Pedals £10 - ok
Doorcards+Glovebox lid £150 - way too high
Handbrake £15 - ok
Speedo surround £50 - too high
Gear knob £15 - too high
Mirrors + switch £80 - too low
Wings £80 pair - too high
Boot strip £20 - too low
Spoiler £50 - too low
Gearbox £80 - too low
Arch liners £20 - too high
Vent sliders? £10 - too high
Radio & Cd changer £60 - too high
Climate unit £40 - too high
PPT40 £40 - ok
Doors £40 each - too high
Tailgate £35 - won't sell with the holes in it from the spoiler
Comm2000 £35 - too low
Rear axle £100 - too low
So as you can see it almost makes sense to break it.
What are your thoughts?
#54: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: anton1989, Location: west midlandsPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 3:08 pm ---- At £80 I will take the mirrors ill have the front bumper aswell if the grill comes with it, so there is £130. And maybe the wing but not at that price.
if it was my car I would put it on all the free posting ad sites (gumtree, here, swapz, etc) for a week, if nothing then ebay for a week with a buy now/make an offer if yu don't get what you want then break it. depends how quick you want the money back if you break it you may get a little more but you will see your money in bits over loads of weeks maybe months?
#55: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Matt, Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 3:15 pm ----
Lee wrote:
Stigter wrote:
Working out the numbers I got to the following:
Sell the car whole= £1200-1400 as it stands
Break the car = £2100+ using rough prices as outlined below not including all the other little bits and bobs
Wheels £250 - ok
Bonnet £50 - too high
Engine £200 - too low
Arbs £80 - too high
Rear lights £40 - too high
Headlights £50 - ok
Front bumper £50 - too low
Rear bumper £40 - too high
Steering wheel £40 - too high
Seats £250 - ok
Pedals £10 - ok
Doorcards+Glovebox lid £150 - way too high
Handbrake £15 - ok
Speedo surround £50 - too high
Gear knob £15 - too high
Mirrors + switch £80 - too low
Wings £80 pair - too high
Boot strip £20 - too low
Spoiler £50 - too low
Gearbox £80 - too low
Arch liners £20 - too high
Vent sliders? £10 - too high
Radio & Cd changer £60 - too high
Climate unit £40 - too high
PPT40 £40 - ok
Doors £40 each - too high
Tailgate £35 - won't sell with the holes in it from the spoiler
Comm2000 £35 - too low
Rear axle £100 - too low
So as you can see it almost makes sense to break it.
What are your thoughts?
So going on that he should in fact make more.
#56: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Stigter, Location: NorthwestPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 3:17 pm ---- Either way - there is more money in the parts then selling it now with 3 months mot and tax. (labour excluded)
#57: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 3:20 pm ---- But it might take 6 months to sell them all.
#58: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 3:24 pm ---- it probably going to take you over a yr to get 2K if you are lucky lol
#59: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: JamieM, Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 4:05 pm ---- If you have the time and can be asked to wait for it all to sell... fair play.
Factor in shipping costs, paypal fee's for those who don't want to pay cash on collection, your labour assuming you can remove it all yourself if not other labour... people offering less, things taking yonks to sell...
Car is in good nick bar the high mileage, I'd bung it up at 2k OVNO
If you take the time to advertise it, i.e good pictures, good description and waffle on about it's history ect I'm sure you could get 1800.
#60: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: MartyParty, Location: Newcastle Upon TynePosted: Sun May 06, 2012 7:17 pm ---- Shotgun the wheels dependant on price buddy.
#61: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 3:40 am ---- I get the feeling certain people on this thread are desperate for cheap 180 parts & will try & persuade the OP to break the car just to benefit themselves
#62: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: JamieM, Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:54 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
I get the feeling certain people on this thread are desperate for cheap 180 parts & will try & persuade the OP to break the car just to benefit themselves
Totally agree they're like leeches.
#63: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 5:05 am ---- Brian and I broke a 180 about 3 years ago and we've still got some parts. This forum is full of timewasters and dreamers.
Fix it and sell it on.
#64: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: anton1989, Location: west midlandsPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 7:26 am ----
Lecktorious wrote:
Brian and I broke a 180 about 3 years ago and we've still got some parts. This forum is full of timewasters and dreamers.
Fix it and sell it on.
I may be wrong but I think it depends where the car is being broke on weather or not the parts will go, what I mean is if you have lets say a 180 interior for sale and you live in wales and someone in the midlands wants it but the person selling it wont send it and the person wanting it wont travel then its not gonna sell. I personally have missed out on loads of bargins because it was to far a way to collect and not really worth it, just my thoughts.
I agree I think plp will push for the car to be broke to get parts for themselves, I would like some parts myself, who doesn't like a bargin lol
#65: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 8:08 am ----
anton1989 wrote:
Lecktorious wrote:
Brian and I broke a 180 about 3 years ago and we've still got some parts. This forum is full of timewasters and dreamers.
Fix it and sell it on.
I may be wrong but I think it depends where the car is being broke on weather or not the parts will go, what I mean is if you have lets say a 180 interior for sale and you live in wales and someone in the midlands wants it but the person selling it wont send it and the person wanting it wont travel then its not gonna sell. I personally have missed out on loads of bargins because it was to far a way to collect and not really worth it, just my thoughts.
I agree I think plp will push for the car to be broke to get parts for themselves, I would like some parts myself, who doesn't like a bargin lol
We broke ours when 180 parts were at a premium and didn't have any issues getting more desirable parts like the wheels and seats shifted, regardless of where the buyer was situated. Some of your prices are a bit off tbh, so you may not make as much as you think you might. Another thing that you want to consider though is whether you are comfortable with dropping an engine or axle yourself, getting pallets and then arranging a courier. It's all fine saying 'yeah it's fine, no problem, etc' but when it's p**sing of rain (or snowing in our case ) then it's not so much fun.
For the sake of a couple of hundred quid replacing the wishbones and getting the exhaust welded up, you are far better off selling the car as a whole
#66: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: -Dave-, Location: North ManchesterPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 8:45 am ---- To the OP, have you considered trading it in. Might be worth visiting a few and seeing what they would offer.
#67: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Uz, Location: No Man's LandPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:30 am ---- If your interested in selling it as a whole car drop me a message with a price you've got in mind for it...with a bit of information about the car.
Would be interested in it for the right price.
#68: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Stigter, Location: NorthwestPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 7:07 pm ---- Just to update the thread -
Fitted new wishbones, droplinks, catback exhaust and the car has been transformed.
Only issue now is that somewhere from the manifold to the cat the system is leaking / blowing. So I need information on getting the access to the clamps. anyone know whats involved?
#69: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: spike_202, Location: West midsPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 11:37 pm ---- I would asume as you've fitted a cat back it's blowing on the joint were it joins the cat Idealy need a ramp to make it easyer for your self, or if you had it fitted by a company take it back and get them to fix it as they haven't done very good job.
#70: Re: 206 gti 180 - break or sell whole Author: Stigter, Location: NorthwestPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 6:52 am ----
spike_202 wrote:
I would asume as you've fitted a cat back it's blowing on the joint were it joins the cat Idealy need a ramp to make it easyer for your self, or if you had it fitted by a company take it back and get them to fix it as they haven't done very good job.
No its fine from the cat back - its between the cat and the manifold!
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