#1: 180 cambelt change Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:25 am ---- I took the top cambelt cover off to see if it had any major wear on it which it didn't but It's 8 years old now so I thought it would be best to get it done, I looked into doing it myself as I'm a fitter but iv got that much on at the minute and I think I'd need to allow a couple of days to get it right, I just can't fit it in so I rang a local garage and they want £264 to do it including the cam belt kit and aux belt but no water pump but then again the pump shouldn't have much wear with it only having 37k miles,
What do you guys think to the quote I got and the water pump situation ???
#2: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:34 am ---- you better change the pump as well if you want to keep the car for let say more than a yr.
if the pump seized that the car can be write off
#3: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:38 am ---- Unless you also have the correct locking tools for the GTI 180 belt change get somebody else who has the tools to do it.
#4: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 3:00 am ---- What those two said ^
Its not worth risking not doing the water pump, if you dont do it and you have a problem with it after the belts have been the done they need to come off again.
#5: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:13 am ---- Yeah I'm getting a garage to do it anyway because it'll only cost 100 pound more than me doing it and I don't have time but unsure about the pump because the bearing in them shouldn't just seize up untill like 100k miles because it's lubrication is sealed inside it and will only seize when the bearing starts to break down which it shouldn't because ball bearings are very strong and aslong as trees lubrication there shouldn't be a problem unless under high load
#6: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:21 am ----
Johnbyron wrote:
Yeah I'm getting a garage to do it anyway because it'll only cost 100 pound more than me doing it and I don't have time but unsure about the pump because the bearing in them shouldn't just seize up untill like 100k miles because it's lubrication is sealed inside it and will only seize when the bearing starts to break down which it shouldn't because ball bearings are very strong and aslong as trees lubrication there shouldn't be a problem unless under high load
so why are you changing the belt then?
#7: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: Martind, Location: Woolsery, North DevonPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:23 am ---- I would say get the pump done at the same time mate.
Nothing like a GTi 180, but we had a 1.4 Fever that the previous owner had only changed the cambelt. That was low mileage (30k) and very soon after the waterpump started grinding and failed.
Because when you change the belt, you get a new tensioner, that puts extra strain on the waterpump bearings.
Yes, they should last 100k but is it really worth running the risk? If they start grinding you are going to have to get another cambelt change sooner than reccomended... Is it worth the cost of another cambelt just to save yourself £60 or so on a new waterpump?
But it is your car, so therefore up to you. Commonplace nowadays to change the pump at the same time as you change the belt.
#8: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:30 am ---- An 8 year old GTI 180 on the original water pump, it should really be changed along with the timing belt kit.
#9: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:56 am ---- Seabook - because the belt is exposed to the elements and has been for eight years so will have weathered a bit
Martind- I see what your saying there
MrBSI- hmm 8 years is a while I must admit
#10: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 5:59 am ---- It makes good engineering sense while its in bits to replace the water pump at the same time as the belt & tensioner.
If the pump fails at best it will leak meaning its got to come apart again OR at worse it will snap the belt which will bend valves.
For what a new water pump actually costs its just silly not to replace it at the same time.
#11: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:11 am ----
Johnbyron wrote:
because it's lubrication is sealed inside it and will only seize when the bearing starts to break down which it shouldn't because ball bearings are very strong and aslong as trees lubrication there shouldn't be a problem unless under high load
In which case wheel bearings should never wear out...but they do.
#12: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:20 am ---- Wheel bearings have a lot more stress tho in terms of weight, but yeah your all right I should do the pump Im just really too tight I think haha yeah worth paying out £60 rather than paying out for a strip down and new valves Last edited by Johnbyron on Thu May 24, 2012 6:21 am; edited 1 time in total
#13: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:20 am ----
Johnbyron wrote:
Yeah I'm getting a garage to do it anyway because it'll only cost 100 pound more than me doing it and I don't have time but unsure about the pump because the bearing in them shouldn't just seize up untill like 100k miles because it's lubrication is sealed inside it and will only seize when the bearing starts to break down which it shouldn't because ball bearings are very strong and aslong as trees lubrication there shouldn't be a problem unless under high load
Why did you ask if you should get it done then if you know thats the case? lol
#14: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:24 am ---- Well I thought people would convince me otherwise with horror stories haha because the more I think about it, it does make sense to replace I was just thinking too much about my paper in my wallet :'-)
#15: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:25 am ----
Johnbyron wrote:
Well I thought people would convince me otherwise with horror stories haha because the more I think about it, it does make sense to replace I was just thinking too much about my paper in my wallet :'-)
I found this out, if you buy a 180 dont ever expect to have any money lol...infact that goes for driving all together
#16: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: enfantprodige, Location: LiverpoolPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 8:51 am ----
Seabook wrote:
you better change the pump as well if you want to keep the car for let say more than a yr.
if the pump seized that the car can be write off
Guys, I changed the cambelt once (about 5 years ago, the car had about 35k miles, as I've been told that it needed to be changed), but I haven't changed the pump (I've got a 1.4 petrol).
Today (5 years later) the car has about 70k miles and is 10 years old, and I've never had problems with the pump.
Now, I don't know if the 180 is a different story...
#17: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 8:58 am ----
enfantprodige wrote:
Seabook wrote:
you better change the pump as well if you want to keep the car for let say more than a yr.
if the pump seized that the car can be write off
Guys, I changed the cambelt once (about 5 years ago, the car had about 35k miles, as I've been told that it needed to be changed), but I haven't changed the pump (I've got a 1.4 petrol).
Today (5 years later) the car has about 70k miles and is 10 years old, and I've never had problems with the pump.
Now, I don't know if the 180 is a different story...
Its just luck of the draw mate, its the same with any wearing part really, but if the water pump had gone a week after you'd done your cambelt you would have kicked yourself.
#18: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: Jammie_1989, Location: ManchesterPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:12 am ---- Didn't have the pump changed on mine. Machinic said is was all tight and as new so there was no point. All depends on what the pump is like tbh suppose better safe than sorry but if its as tight as a new one could just be a waste of £50
#19: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: ramigojag, Location: worcestershirePosted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:59 am ---- id always do the pump with the cambelt because it might feel tight and fine but its the extra tension and the change in tension from the old to the new belt which will then cause it to wear much quicker
#20: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: gaffa786, Location: 2 Places at oncePosted: Wed May 30, 2012 1:16 pm ---- Just had my cambelt changed on my 1.4 anfld they tightend it too much and sounds funny now
#21: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 1:22 pm ----
gaffa786 wrote:
Just had my cambelt changed on my 1.4 anfld they tightend it too much and sounds funny now
TU cambelt, cant get much easier to do then that ( only Ford CVH )
FYI a Peugeot main dealer technician will be able to do a TU cambelt on a 206 in under 45 minutes
#22: Re: 180 cambelt change Author: Johnbyron, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:02 pm ---- I'm not changing the pump any more because when you think about it a new pump could be just as bad as the one already fitted, because the new pump may not be as good quality, fair enough if the one that is currently fitted has any play etc etc then I shall change it
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in terms of weight, but yeah your all right I should do the pump Im just really too tight I think haha yeah worth paying out £60 rather than paying out for a strip down and new valves 
