#1: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:19 pm ---- I have a 2000 Roland Gaross 206 8v 1.4i Auto. Can anybody please give advise and or let me know if they have encountered this problem; and what is the likely cause. I am getting excessive noise (like a pnuematic drill) when accelerating, gets really noisy. When i take my foot of the accellerator it stops and also when I get over 45mph, and stay at that speed, it seems to go. Then as I have to reduce speed to slow down, it comes back and is really noisy. I have just had the Cam Belt done 2 weeks ago, as it had done 83k miles and a few other jobs for the MOT. I know its not the coil pack or plugs as they have been checked. Thanks in advance.
FAS
#2: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:29 pm ---- So a thudding noise? Any vibrations in the car?
#3: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:29 pm ---- Don't drive it till you've at least checked the cam belt tensioner.
#4: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:18 pm ----
Addaz wrote:
So a thudding noise? Any vibrations in the car?
Yes on acceleration you can also feel slight vibration through steering column. I had to drive it home from family which was a 13 mile journey
#5: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: LORDPSK, Location: CAERNARFONPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:37 pm ---- Check tyre condition and pressures, but more likely your front tyres need tracking and balancing
#6: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:47 pm ----
LORDPSK wrote:
Check tyre condition and pressures, but more likely your front tyres need tracking and balancing
. Thanks for your advise, didnt think "tracking and balancing" could cause such noise? Its only when pressing accellerator to increase speed or when slowing down that it starts again, and there's slight vibration through the steering column. You would actually think that there was no exhaust on the car, the noise it makes. I know the exhaust is good, as I had a full one done 18 months ago and had to take it back twice as it rattled, and it was removed and refitted/welded. Ive just had car fully examined for it's MOT and it needed a front pipe replacing. Im wondering if its the cat, as when its sailing a long at 50 - 60mph it seems fine.
Many Thanks FAS
#7: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: LORDPSK, Location: CAERNARFONPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:56 pm ---- Vibration through steering is normally tyres, or if badly worn steering, track rod ends, track control arm bushes, ball joints.
Lift both wheels off floor at same time on axle stands to check if steering fault, I have not known a exhaust to feel a vibration in the steering
#8: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:11 pm ---- Could be another auto box problem?
Cambelt jumped a tooth or 2?
Exhaust blowing?
Is the car still accelerating smoothly or have you felt a loss of power?
#9: Help Please! Excessive Noise/blowing when accelerating Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:35 am ---- HI Maca1411
Thanks for response, I have just gone to car and started it, it does sound like exhaust blowing but loud and rattly. When i drive it and use the "gas" pedal to accelerate, it gets even louder and "Tap Tap" like a pneumatic drill, when i take my foot of the "gas" it stops and goes quite. Then when i have to slow down it comes back. As i mentioned prev, it had a complete inspection for MOT 2 weeks ago, when front pipe was replaced, front brakes and cambelt. It sounded "throaty" when i got it back, but Roland Gaross are noted for this, so I wasnt concerned at the time. Since then I have done about `150 mile in it; and all was fine. Then this latest episode happened on Friday. Im a slightly disabled women (not that it matters as i have a brain) im not mechanically minded, but I try and read up on my cars problems, using this site to see if any other members have encountered the same. Plus reading the "how to section" which is excellent. Thanks to all for advise received so far. I have sent the garage that did the work an e-mail; i am waiting a reply. All advise is really appreciated. Will keep the site informed of any work done and the outcome; as this is very important to all "Pug" owners. We all love our cars and if we can pool our problems and how they are resolved or not; it will benifit all.
Fas
#10: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: bezford, Location: darlingtonPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:54 am ---- The exhaust will not bring shaking to the steering etc.
#11: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelera Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:25 am ---- Hi
Thanks, I will try and explain what i called vibration. There is no "visible shaking" of the steering wheel, you can "feel" a vibration through your hands, when holding the steering wheel and using the accelerator. Plus the extreme blowing/ticking noise is there. When foot of accelerator no vibration feeling, just noise when driving below 50-55mph. It seems to stop when cruising at or above these speeds. Then when the car is slowing down; just the awful blowing/ticking noise starting again, and you dont feel any vibration through steering wheel.
FAS
#12: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:11 am ---- If your wheels are severly out of balance it can cause a lot of things
Ie royal mail bipper vans had so much mud in the wheel that it cause such an imbalance anything above 30 and you thought the vehicle was going to fall apart
#13: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelera Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:48 am ---- Hi Addaz
Thanks for that, i really appreciate any advise and help. Mine is the opposite of what you have quoted, anything below 50-55 is when the severe noise and feeling vibration (none visible) through steering wheel, when using accelerator pedal only. When at this speed and above loud blowing/ticking noise stops; when foot is of accelerator and crusing. ,As soon as i have to slow down below 50ish, it comes back immediately. Souinds like i havnt got a silencer its that loud.
Tried a a reboot of ecu 30 mins ago, got out of car and looked and listened. Exhaust back box sounding like it was rattling so spare wheel and jack might not have been put back in cradle properly by garage, I had this happen last time an exhaust was fitted. Noise was there still but quiter and raspy/throaty. I sat in car and pressed accelerator and it still is getting very noisy whilst accelerating and I could also hear the exhaust rattle to rear; as still had window down from ecu reset.
Garage hasnt been back to me, i will ring them shortly, but they arnt Peugeot experts, like the tecchies on here, so please boys any ideas beside wheel balancing/tracking, which probably does need doing. I think the key factor with this problem is, that is it happening from stand still at a quieter volume and increases notably as i accelerate. Stopping when i am cruising at 50-55 and above, as i have come of the accelerator.
Merry Christmas everyone, Fas x
#14: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:56 am ---- Driveshafts?
Valve stuck open?
#15: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelera Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:15 am ---- Many Thanks
You have same engine as mine!!
Merry Xmas FAS
#16: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: bezford, Location: darlingtonPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:28 am ---- If u havnt eliminated exhaust already start car and run in tickover then while running get w cloth in your hand and hold it over the exhausts opening at the back of the car...hold it there for just a few seconds and see if gasses are "blowing"along the length of the whole exhaust???u should be able to pin point a leak in the approximate site of any leak by the hissing,blowing noise...if it has a leak that is....try not to breath the gasses tho.
If u do it alone first to see if there is a hiss/blow and if u hear a leak but cant locate it get someone else to hold the rag over the end of the exhaust...dont cover it for over 5seconds or so...
Dont forget to lift the bonnet because the blow may be coming from the manifold???let us know...
#17: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelera Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:38 pm ---- Hi Bezford
Many thanks for advise, I went out in it today on a 30 mile round journey. It is now Missfiring on start up and still very noisy on acceleration. There is a loss in power, in so much its taking longer to build up speed, once i reach 50mph and above and cruise, come of the accelorater; the noise stops. It starts again as soon as i use accelorater or when the autobox changes down the gears. I will get the garage to look at it after Boxing Day when they reopen. I will ask them to use a code reader to get any fault numbers, will then post the results on here.
Fas
#18: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2012 12:50 am ---- Seems to much of a coincidence that its not got something to do with the cam belt. & I still reckon you should not be driving it till you 'at least' check the tensioner.
#19: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelera Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:11 am ---- HI E5GDM
Thanks for your assessment/reply, Im thinking that way as well now, (CAM realated) as the loud tapping sound on acceleration, sounds like something is hitting something when i accelerate. BUt, i no very little, just basing it on my replies from the brill members on here. I still have not heard back from garage as yet, rang today and left a message on answerphone. Which suits me actually as i have gone down with Bronchitus, and don't really want to have to go out in the damp. I Will ring them again tomorrow, but its looking like they must be closed until next week. I am a member of the RAC, but all they will do, is take me to a garage if they cant fix it, and if they are closed, there is no point in me ringing RAC. Thanks again for taking time to reply.
FAS
#20: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:18 pm ---- It might just be the belt hitting something due to a cover not being replaced properly, or the tensioner not adjusted correctly. Get well soon as well
#21: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelera Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:23 am ---- Hi
Thanks for that, E5GDM, sorry for delay in replying still poorly and still no reply from Garage. Think they must have closed until after New Year.
Happy New Year to you all.
FAS
#22: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelera Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:54 pm ---- Hi
I am on the mend now, at last; rearing to go now. I Will ring RAC tommorow and go from there. The garage has not replied, I have sent 4 e-mails and left one phone message over the Christmas/Newyear Period. I dont intend to go back to this garage, as i have left 4 e-mails and 1 phone message since 23rd December!!! I have been really ill, and have had no reply from them! After they did all work ( cost me over £300.00) for an MOT and then a week later the Cam Belt; because they could not do it at the same time as MOT as they were to busy. Thats when the problems started with my car.
#23: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:21 pm ---- If it turns out to be a problem with the cam belt, get an engineers report & try to get your money back from the garage that fitted it.
#24: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelera Author: paulspug, Location: Spalding lincolnshirePosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:20 pm ---- ermm you have checked the oil level havent you?
dont believe the display if it says ok - best to manually check just to be sure
#25: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelera Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:25 am ---- Hi
Thanks very much for advise lads, still no contact from garage and I am waiting for a dry day to ring RAC and get a report. Then i will go and see them if they are fault. I havnt checked oil yet, but i have asked the garage had they topped it up along with lots of other questions. I will check oil level shortly, if it is above the marker, how would i drain some out? as Ive never done this before?
Thanks in advance.
FAS
#26: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:11 am ---- If its too high you'd need to remove the sump plug & drain some out.
#27: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelera Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:21 am ---- Thanks for that, it is too high.
FAS
#28: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelera Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:45 pm ---- Hi All
Thanks for all of your help and advise on my car issues, i managed to talk to the garage owner this afternoon and have arranged to take my car there on Monday for them to look at, he said if its their fault he will fix it. I willl get the RAC out on Monday and get them to look at it and then take me to garage if they cant fix it. Garage said they havnt put any oil in my car otherwise they would have charged me for it! When i mentioned it could be the Timing belt he seemed to go on the defensive saying, we were only asked to fit the timing belt and thats all what we would have done! I will keep you all informed on what transpires to be the problem.
FAS
#29: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:00 pm ---- Update will be interesting.
#30: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: bezford, Location: darlingtonPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:32 pm ---- Too much oil is best lowered by oil filter removal...providing you can get it off and on without damage...
The filter is better because u only take a filters worth at a time...full sump plug off will go all over and be difficult to get the plug back in with oil gushing out...
#31: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: bezford, Location: darlingtonPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:40 pm ---- Too much oil is best lowered by oil filter removal...providing you can get it off and on without damage...
The filter is better because u only take a filters worth at a time...full sump plug off will go all over and be difficult to get the plug back in with oil gushing out...
#32: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:43 pm ---- Regards timing belt.
I hope they fitted a complete belt kit and not just a belt. A full kit is absolute basic practice and should include new idle roller and adjuster. Don't let then say you only asked for a belt - they are the experts, you are not, they should have warned you of the risks of fitting just a belt and reusing the other old components.
I can't imagine any garage doing less. Well perhaps one or two, but they would be the type that "send the boys round" when you can't pay.
EDIT: if it isn't too late in your position I would get an AA or RAC engineers check before taking it back to the garage.
#33: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelera Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:35 pm ---- Hi Guys
Thanks for responses, you guys have been great. I havnt been able to get to garage or get RAC out as illness still lingering; unfortunately.
I have rang the garage and told them i am unable to bring my car in and will be back in touch with them; as soon as i am over this chest infection. As soon as i am well enough and its a dryish day, I intend to get RAC out and ask them to look at my car and evaluate any problems, and possible causes. I will also show them the list of repairs that the garage have done to date. Depending on their assessment/evaluation, I am prepared to pay them extra; for a written report . I Will keep you informed of any outcome/s.
FAS
#34: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:43 pm ---- Waiting with interest.
You can also, I believe, speak to trading standards and ask if there have been any complaints about this garage.
You don't have a case yet and the trading standards will tell you to give the garage a chance to fix it first but if the garage has a bad history the trading standards may let you know.
#35: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:47 pm ----
kandlbarrett wrote:
Waiting with interest.
You can also, I believe, speak to trading standards and ask if there have been any complaints about this garage.
You don't have a case yet and the trading standards will tell you to give the garage a chance to fix it first but if the garage has a bad history the trading standards may let you know.
Taxi drivers won't use the garage. Think that explains enough about it.
#36: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:31 am ---- Hi Lads
Update on cars problems. Rac came yesterday and looked and examined the car. He found that the coil pack was loose and shaking as one screw completely unscrewed and rattling and one loose. Then got under car and found the exhaust repair they had done wasnt very good, also, it was the cat connection part that had come loose and was blowing and in his opinion; should have been noticed and repaired at the same time. We took the car back and spoke to manager, we agreed to repair the cat and do an oil and filter change after he rang with the price and said they looked at it and the cat had been cut in half!and lets see if that sorted the blowing and noise. He has just rang and said they have done the cat and there is no blowing but the engine is not revving properly; he asked was this the problem i had; which it wasnt. He said he will take it for a drive and get back to me? Any ideas on lads???? Am awaiting his call. Thanks in advance guys.
New Update
After test drive garage rang to say its definetly a missfire, they are doing a compression test on engine and checking injectors. As had new plugs and coil pack was checked recently.
2nd Update
Engine compression has been checked and injectors by the Manager ( who is also the electrical expert) He has spent all afternoon doing it; and is only charging me £20.00 for labour. Which i think is very reasonable. My engine compression tested fine, coil pack fine and plugs just needed a clean. He tested the injectors and Injectors 2 and 3 tested faulty. He thinks what has happened with my car is, that the faulty injectors no 2 and 3 have stayed open and the petrol sprayed onto these has got into the catalytic converter and burnt it out. he has ordered me the two injectors at cost and is only charging me £20.00 to fit them as soon as they arrive tomorrow. Hopefully this will resolve my cars current problems. Willl keep you all updated on the final outcome. Thanks again to all you lads who have been helping me; you are a great bunch.
#37: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:32 am ---- Keep the RAC involved. They are probably your best support at the moment.
#38: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelera Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:00 am ---- Thanks for reply, Im hoping car will be sorted after injectors fitted. But i will call the RAC again if problem isnt sorted or as soon as i have a repetition of this problem.
#39: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:38 am ---- Yes injectors not sealing correctly and putting extra fuel into the engine will fairly quickly destroy the precious metals that catalytic converters are made from.
It seems that the initial exhaust repair was done without doing a before and after emmissions test. The emmissions test should have highlighted that the catalytic converter was defective at that time and that an exhaust repair was a waste of time. A post repair test would have shown that they hadn't achieved what they had been paid for.
It still all seems a little coincidental to me but without getting hands on the car it is difficult to really judge.
#40: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelera Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:05 pm ---- Thanks for reply and the pre and post exhaust test info, really appreciated. I mentioned to him that he had missed the cat problem when he did the initial exhaust repair, which would have been unnecessary if his staff had found the cat problem;but he didnt reply. He is being very helpful and hopefully it is resolved; but agree with you, it does sound a very coincidental outcome to the problems.
#41: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: kandlbarrett, Location: SwindonPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:27 am ---- He will be helpful now he knows you are prepared to seek advice and challenge what you are presented with rather than just open your purse. He won't care too much about people here helping but getting RAC ionvolved will carry a lot more weight.
Good luck.
#42: Re: Need Help- sounds like a pnuematic drill when i accelerate Author: FAS1950, Location: LancashirePosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:04 pm ---- Hi Lads
Car is back and engine purring again, after garage fitted injector 2 and 3, I have only done 6 miles journey so far though. Will take it out for a 90 mile round trip on Friday and see how it handles then. Thanks again for all advise etc given on here; I will keep you all informed.
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