#1: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: DylanAWRoberts, Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:11 pm ---- Hey guys,
So i bought a vtr engine for my 1.1 206 engine swap and i have hit a rather large barrier with the engine looms as my new ecu wont fit the 1.1 loom and the new 1.6 vtr loom wont fit the 1.1 fuse box i am in a right spot of trouble and have been swapping round sensors from the 1.1 onto the 1.6 block but i suspect doing so will either one make it not run at all or two run very lumpy and slow because of it thinking there is a 1.1 instead of a 1.6 if anyone could help me out that would be great or if anyone knows a loom that would fit that would solve it all i thought maybe the 1.6 glx loom could work but dont have anyone around me who has one so i cant check! thanks in advance for your help!
#2: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:25 pm ---- What do you mean it doesn't fit the fuse box?
#3: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:47 pm ---- Its not a straight swap, you should, and will need to swap ECU and Immobiliser from the saxo.
#4: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: DylanAWRoberts, Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:51 pm ---- ill post a photo in a few mins on what my issues are!
#5: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: DylanAWRoberts, Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:59 pm ---- here is the different plug from the vtr to the 1.1 fuse box.
and here is the different ecu's and plugs
#6: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:07 pm ---- That plug doesnt go to the fusebox, it goes to by the bottom of the airbox
#7: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: DylanAWRoberts, Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:08 pm ----
V9977 wrote:
What do you mean it doesn't fit the fuse box?
images are up now mate cheers
#8: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: DylanAWRoberts, Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:14 pm ----
LeeThr wrote:
That plug doesnt go to the fusebox, it goes to by the bottom of the airbox
there is no plug on the airbox i have :S
#9: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:40 pm ---- By the bottom, not on the airbox. Look behind the front bumper down low on the passenger side.
#10: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: DylanAWRoberts, Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:48 pm ----
Edward wrote:
By the bottom, not on the airbox. Look behind the front bumper down low on the passenger side.
i still cant see where this plug is supposed to go, that plug is supposed to go where there is no plig pluged in on the fuse box there is no loom on my 1.1 where that can plug in the only wire that goes down passenger side by the bumper is the fog light :/
#11: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:21 pm ---- when you swap engines,it's always recommended to have the donor car close to you,and swap engine,and engine loom,ECU,fuse box,and everything related to make this work,this way u will have a great finish,and a free problem car.
#12: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: DylanAWRoberts, Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:27 pm ----
Timon2210 wrote:
when you swap engines,it's always recommended to have the donor car close to you,and swap engine,and engine loom,ECU,fuse box,and everything related to make this work,this way u will have a great finish,and a free problem car.
i have the car close by, the fuse box in the saxo is also incompatible with the loom on my car :/ as my fuse box has plugs for the battery lights and everything els where as the saxos box doesnt i think im going to have to get a loom of a 1.6 hid or glx 206 to get this to work :/
#13: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:18 pm ---- For a starts yours is multi plex and saxos aint so you will have problems there
#14: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: DylanAWRoberts, Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:29 pm ----
HDI90 wrote:
For a starts yours is multi plex and saxos aint so you will have problems there
any way around this or should i just give up on the idea? :/
#15: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: DylanAWRoberts, Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:32 pm ---- if i get the loom of this model could i just bipass all these issues? the ecu on this car looks the same as my 1.6 ecu or would i need both the ecu and loom?
#16: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: ukskater01, Location: sutton surrey/welwyn garden cityPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:56 pm ---- I think to make this swap work your going to have to strip the saxo of all it's looms, dials, etc and install them in the 206. The multiplexed system is not going to work with your non plexed saxo engine. It may be better to rethink this altogether unless you have the time. I hope you do get it sorted though.
#17: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:04 pm ---- Why don't people do research before fiddling with things they obviously know sod all about.
#18: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:17 pm ---- From the pics I would say this is a wildly different setup. I don't know much about engine swaps myself, but would strongly recommend you get in-touch with an experienced auto-elec on this one. He might well sort you out painlesly in the end.
#19: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: DylanAWRoberts, Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:36 pm ----
ukskater01 wrote:
I think to make this swap work your going to have to strip the saxo of all it's looms, dials, etc and install them in the 206. The multiplexed system is not going to work with your non plexed saxo engine. It may be better to rethink this altogether unless you have the time. I hope you do get it sorted though.
the only big issue i have is the ecu as from swapping sensors around and a few other things ive managed to get the 1.1 loom to fit the vtr engine but there are also a few plugs that the 1.1 loom doesnt have that the vtr does :/ its all gone tits up with this swap might just sack it off all together and pick up a 1.8 or 2.0 from a guy i know! :L
#20: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: HDI90, Location: sunny stokePosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:32 am ---- www.autodiagnos.com/si...mplete.pdf
Have a look at this even if you sorted the engine ECU you would still have problems, your better off getting a 1.6 16v from a 206, not a saxo
#21: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:09 am ---- Is it an 8 valve Saxo engine? Why not just throw it in the car running on all the original engine sensors????
#22: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:15 am ---- I don't think there ever was a 8 valve multiplexed 1.6 fitted to the 206.
#23: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: eddie206, Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:34 am ---- Nightmare situation this...scrap both cars and buy a cheap gti...sorted.
#24: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:03 am ----
eddie206 wrote:
Nightmare situation this...scrap both cars and buy a cheap gti...sorted.
He's probably doing this because he cant insure a GTi so wants to pop the 1.6 8v lump in and not say anything to them and keep it 1.1 insurance
#25: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: Tolkienfan001, Location: SpaldingPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:05 am ----
LeeThr wrote:
eddie206 wrote:
Nightmare situation this...scrap both cars and buy a cheap gti...sorted.
He's probably doing this because he cant insure a GTi so wants to pop the 1.6 8v lump in and not say anything to them and keep it 1.1 insurance
Well that's a nightmare situation waiting to happen! When you crash, get no pay out and no money for a new car.....
#26: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:07 am ----
Tolkienfan001 wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
eddie206 wrote:
Nightmare situation this...scrap both cars and buy a cheap gti...sorted.
He's probably doing this because he cant insure a GTi so wants to pop the 1.6 8v lump in and not say anything to them and keep it 1.1 insurance
Well that's a nightmare situation waiting to happen! When you crash, get no pay out and no money for a new car.....
What happens about possible medical costs to other party involved? (touch-wood)
#27: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:11 am ----
V9977 wrote:
Tolkienfan001 wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
eddie206 wrote:
Nightmare situation this...scrap both cars and buy a cheap gti...sorted.
He's probably doing this because he cant insure a GTi so wants to pop the 1.6 8v lump in and not say anything to them and keep it 1.1 insurance
Well that's a nightmare situation waiting to happen! When you crash, get no pay out and no money for a new car.....
What happens about possible medical costs to other party involved? (touch-wood)
Would be the same as being in an incident with an uninsured driver.
#28: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:25 am ----
LeeThr wrote:
V9977 wrote:
Tolkienfan001 wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
eddie206 wrote:
Nightmare situation this...scrap both cars and buy a cheap gti...sorted.
He's probably doing this because he cant insure a GTi so wants to pop the 1.6 8v lump in and not say anything to them and keep it 1.1 insurance
Well that's a nightmare situation waiting to happen! When you crash, get no pay out and no money for a new car.....
What happens about possible medical costs to other party involved? (touch-wood)
Would be the same as being in an incident with an uninsured driver.
Which means what over there?
#29: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:37 am ----
V9977 wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
V9977 wrote:
Tolkienfan001 wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
eddie206 wrote:
Nightmare situation this...scrap both cars and buy a cheap gti...sorted.
He's probably doing this because he cant insure a GTi so wants to pop the 1.6 8v lump in and not say anything to them and keep it 1.1 insurance
Well that's a nightmare situation waiting to happen! When you crash, get no pay out and no money for a new car.....
What happens about possible medical costs to other party involved? (touch-wood)
Would be the same as being in an incident with an uninsured driver.
Which means what over there?
NHS pay just like they would in an insured accident, so in the long run, the rest of us pay for it in National Insurance contributions.
I've never heard of an insurance company reimbursing the NHS for treatment given at the scene or the aftercare. The ambulance service used to charge for attending, which could be claimed back through the insurance, but not even sure if they still charge or not.
#30: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: DylanAWRoberts, Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:15 pm ---- Sacked the vtr build off now, too much hassle im working 50 hour weeks as it is so i dont have the time to do this if i do an engine swap next time ill just get and engine straight from a multiplex 206! :L cheers for the help guys!
#31: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:19 pm ----
macca1411 wrote:
V9977 wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
V9977 wrote:
Tolkienfan001 wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
eddie206 wrote:
Nightmare situation this...scrap both cars and buy a cheap gti...sorted.
He's probably doing this because he cant insure a GTi so wants to pop the 1.6 8v lump in and not say anything to them and keep it 1.1 insurance
Well that's a nightmare situation waiting to happen! When you crash, get no pay out and no money for a new car.....
What happens about possible medical costs to other party involved? (touch-wood)
Would be the same as being in an incident with an uninsured driver.
Which means what over there?
NHS pay just like they would in an insured accident, so in the long run, the rest of us pay for it in National Insurance contributions.
I've never heard of an insurance company reimbursing the NHS for treatment given at the scene or the aftercare. The ambulance service used to charge for attending, which could be claimed back through the insurance, but not even sure if they still charge or not.
That's OK then.
Over here you go to prison, your familly pays the injured for the rest of his/her life, and everyone involved suffers.
There is however very often a clause for 'accident with un-insured vehicle' for legal and medical cover for yourself.
BTW, it's the specific vehicle that is always insured and anybody can drive it even if not mentioned in the cover explicitly. Like, you lend it to your friend he wrecks it and another car in the process, and insurance pays.
Anyway, I'm sure the person wanting to do the engine swap would have declare it afterwards and you are all jumping to conclusions really.
DylanAWRoberts wrote:
Sacked the vtr build off now, too much hassle im working 50 hour weeks as it is so i dont have the time to do this if i do an engine swap next time ill just get and engine straight from a multiplex 206! :L cheers for the help guys!
#32: Re: Engine swap PLEASE HELP Author: DylanAWRoberts, Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:43 pm ---- I have the Saxo lump for sale if anyone is interested its doen 87k and it has ecu and loom with it!
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