#1: Making gti 180 lighter Author: mattymj, Location: NorfolkPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:10 am ---- Any advice apart from removing the seats that will loose a lot of weight. (Not going on a diet before anyone says hehe)
#2: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: PezHdi, Location: ShrewsburyPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:20 am ---- 180 seats weigh a lot all carpet,sound proofing, replace rear windows with plastic, fronts if desired, rear seats, air con unit and co, all wing and plastic guards,
Replace bonnet and boot with fibre glass replacements.
Lightweight alloy wheels.
And lastly even tho you said no. Go on a diet.
#3: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:59 am ---- Air con kit weighs 10kg. No pump means more power from the engine to drive the car. Keep the washer bottle level low.
#4: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: mattymj, Location: NorfolkPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:00 am ---- Cool thanks. Some food for thought there. Excuse the pun haha. Do they do a smaller aux belt if the aircon pump is removed?
#5: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:31 am ---- Yes. Look at my project....In fact I have a belt which retains the pas pump which has only done 200 miles if you want it. I'm never going to use it and it's a Gates belt from the Peugeot dealer.
#6: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: mattymj, Location: NorfolkPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:18 pm ---- Oh cool. Thanks mate. Let me know if u want anything for it.
#7: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: McGuiverNL, Location: AmsterdamPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:16 pm ---- Best bang for your buck must be aircon removal indeed... Lose weight and rotational drag for free...
And otherwise anything you can remove from the ends (high up or far away from the car's centre)
Smaller battery, remove spare wheel (keep jack and tyre repair stuff!), windows all help; for some simple testing just try transporting heavy stuff on the passenger or back seat floor in stead of the boot
If money isn't much of an issue lightweight wheels are really worthwhile as the handling, feeling and grip tend to improve ridiculously -as long as all the sizing is done just right!-
Been arguing with OZ Racing back and forth for them to produce the Alleggerita's in 7x17 4x108 ET25 but they've been so stubborn I gave up and will stick to original 180 rims.
They seem to think they can just tell you to go for 16's even though the GTi180 and 208 XY/GTi are 17" standard...
Had Superleggera's on my Almera GTi and Ultraleggera's on the Primera GT and they made a HUGE difference to road/tyre feedback, acceleration, deceleration and brake temps.
#8: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:54 pm ---- Go for 16" wheels...no need for 17".
#9: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: McGuiverNL, Location: AmsterdamPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:36 pm ---- I can see what you mean about not needing them on a 180 and certainly on a normal GTi, but only as far as they tend to add unnecessary weight...
Contact patch and sidewall flex seem perfect to me at 205/40/17 it's just the pretty heavy (10.5KGs original 180) rims that take away a lot of feedback and acceleration
But certainly would want to stick to the original sizing on the 208 XY or GTi with the whole suspension designed specifically for that size.
-Which is why the 6.4KGs 17" Alleggerita's would be so good!
But it would be ridiculous spending £180 per rim and not get the designed 17" where they would really be a benefit I think
#10: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: mattymj, Location: NorfolkPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:22 pm ---- Just put the shorter aux belt on, bit of a fidly job but hoping it will be beneficial...
Will remove the air con pump at a later date.
I want some team dynamic 1.2's 16" if I can ever find some decent second hand ones!!
#11: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: neoluz, Location: SloveniaPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 5:04 pm ---- I just weighted mine today.. 1020kg;)
No rear seats, rear belt and rear speakers, no lifting kit, no glove comp. no fogs, fibreglass bonnet, no washing liquid, janspeed backbox and ultraleggeras 15'
Will remove the pollution pump now and aircon:)) for the pump i need belt from gti w/o aircon right? And how is with the radiator? Do you need the one w/o aircon or is this one ok?
#12: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: Project2062014, Location: CornwallPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:22 am ---- The weight of my 180 is 920kg.
I've just removed the rear seat.
Light Weight exhaust 5kg if that .
No sway bars .
All the trim and speakers are in place.
Standard rims .
I might go and check it again. After your mods I must be heaver. ; (..
#13: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: mattymj, Location: NorfolkPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:07 pm ---- 920kg!
My car needs what ever diet yours has been on...
I read somewhere they are 1125ks as standard.
How does it handle with no sway bars?
#14: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:28 pm ---- How much does the steering lock weigh?
#15: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: existenz, Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:10 pm ---- @Project2062014: I'd like to know why no sway bars?
And 920kg appears to be too light considering your modifications.
Stock is 1125kg with driver (75kg) and without fuel as far as I know.
My GTI 180 weighs ~990kg with fuel and ~940 without (been on a weigh station two times this year).
I'm running:
OZ Ultraleggera 15"
all carpet and stuff removed from the engine bay and interior
no rear seats and no rear belts
Sparco Pro 2000 seats in the front
front seat belts replaced with racing harnesses
no glove box
no center console
no climate compressor etc
door cards replaced by lighter material
all interior panels removed in the rear
lighter exhaust
lighter Grp A airbox
no fog lights
GFK/CFK hood
and some smaller stuff
So I saved ~100kg by now - still street legal in Germany.
Upper and lower strut brace (could be removed...) and the Quaife Diff add some weight.
Still running with radio and speakers (long trips are a pain without). In addition, I can still save some weight by removing a bit of the dashboard and removing the bitumen mats behind the seats.
Therefore, I could save another 10-20kg.
It really makes a difference.
#16: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:22 pm ---- Sway bars = anti roll bar for American people. Lots of Americans on UK forums. Or so it seems.
I suspect he's referring to the lateral link bars at the rear.
#17: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: existenz, Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:47 pm ---- Of course I'm talking about the actual sway bars/rear links
#18: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: mattymj, Location: NorfolkPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:50 pm ---- Doesn't that affect the handling?
#19: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: Project2062014, Location: CornwallPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:33 pm ---- No sway bars
The weight removed..
There mounted on rubber so the axle will still get play.
They seem to be useless . Car feels the same better now I've no weight in the back.
180 felt heavy on the back
with sway bars & the standard exhaust.
Did kick out a lot compared to old gti 160 bhp tin can on 15/55/195's
#20: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: 206gt160, Location: BlackburnPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:57 am ----
existenz wrote:
@Project2062014: I'd like to know why no sway bars?
And 920kg appears to be too light considering your modifications.
Stock is 1125kg with driver (75kg) and without fuel as far as I know.
My GTI 180 weighs ~990kg with fuel and ~940 without (been on a weigh station two times this year).
I'm running:
OZ Ultraleggera 15"
all carpet and stuff removed from the engine bay and interior
no rear seats and no rear belts
Sparco Pro 2000 seats in the front
front seat belts replaced with racing harnesses
no glove box
no center console
no climate compressor etc
door cards replaced by lighter material
all interior panels removed in the rear
lighter exhaust
lighter Grp A airbox
no fog lights
GFK/CFK hood
and some smaller stuff
So I saved ~100kg by now - still street legal in Germany.
Upper and lower strut brace (could be removed...) and the Quaife Diff add some weight.
Still running with radio and speakers (long trips are a pain without). In addition, I can still save some weight by removing a bit of the dashboard and removing the bitumen mats behind the seats.
Therefore, I could save another 10-20kg.
It really makes a difference.
So the car on its own only weighs 1050kg on ots own with no driver?
#21: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: McGuiverNL, Location: AmsterdamPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:07 am ---- FWIW the Netherlands RDW puts the official RC (180) registration weight at 1059kgs which should be kerb weight with 1/2 tank of fuel and without driver.
Doesn't have the RHD stuff like metal brake pedal crossbar and wiper pivot then though
#22: Re: Making gti 180 lighter Author: existenz, Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:49 am ----
206gt160 wrote:
So the car on its own only weighs 1050kg on ots own with no driver?
No, as it says - 990 with fuel and no driver, 940 without fuel an no driver.
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