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 Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:23 pm |
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Hi,
I have a 206 with the BE4/5 transmission box, and after searching google and here, I get to the conclusion that I need BV 75W80 transmission oil.
Thing is that I live in Dominican Republic, and I have been searching that type of oil at the Peugeot Certified Service shops and they reacted strangely to my request to the point of asking me if I had imported the vehicle on my own. All they sell is the AL4 oil.
Some of the normal car shops here sell 80W90, others some 90W140.
According to this site, adding 80W90 isn't that great for the BE gear box.
I would like to know if I have to import this oil from Europe ($$$$) or I could just use 80W90.
Edit: I could get 75W90, but that requires importing from United States ($$ not as much as Europe import).
What could be the disadvantages of using 80W90? The site link I gave before states that 80W90 gives a rougher gearbox feeling.
In the end, I just want to service the car and keep it in top condition.
Thanks.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:04 pm |
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any oil other than 75w80 will give you stiff gear change. even 75w90 will do no good at all.
you should be able to get it from peugeot or citroen dealer
some MTF gearoil might have the same viscosity range but you need to check the label to make sure that.
i have no idea what brands of oil you got in your country
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:49 pm |
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Thanks for your response.
I located this in united states ebay..
It claims to be API GL-4 Rated, and SAE 75W-80, but I am a bit unsure of this. I haven't heard of the brand before.
Right now I have 80W-90 in the gearbox, I called my local mechanic and that's what he last put in there. I will head to the Peugeot/Citroen dealer now and find out what they put in manual gearboxes.
If they don't believe me, I will have to show them the owners manual which states 75W-80.
Edit: I wonder if some other European car uses this oil. This way I could go to some other dealer.
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Last edited by chimerahitman on Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:50 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:50 pm |
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Do Euro Car Parts not deliver to your country?
I put a 75/90 in the gearbox once and the gearchange was very notchy.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:59 pm |
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if you import from US there is plenty of choices.....
torco MTF; redline superlight weight; royal purple synchromax; even mobil 1 do 75w80 gearoil
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:04 pm |
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| Edward wrote: |
Do Euro Car Parts not deliver to your country?
I put a 75/90 in the gearbox once and the gearchange was very notchy. |
ECP don't have gearoil for pug 
i can't even shift up to 2nd in winter when i have 75/90 oil in the box
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:21 pm |
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:24 pm |
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| Edward wrote: |
| http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/p/car-accessories/engine-oils-and-car-fluids/car-tranmission-oils/manual-transmission-fluids/?522770402&0&cc5_868 |
alright
i need better glasses then
but Jesus....that is expensive
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:55 pm |
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Thanks for your very informative replies.
Spent a couple of hours looking over these gear oils.
I looked at Redline 70W80 which looks promising. Though I don't know much about oils and such, but this one sounds good. Need some confirmation on that.
Looked at Redline Superlight weight, but couldn't find it "as is" but with the added Shockproof part to its name. In this site they say its 75W80, but in the paragraph below the image, it says that it's not recommended for normal syncro-type transmissions. So, in part, great for being exactly what I want 75W80, but then it scares me off with that little bit of info.
The other one that caught my attention was Royal Purpol Syncromax. Looking at this document, they recommended Syncromax as a solution for BWM/MINI's Esso MTL LT-1 gear oil. Esso MTL LT-1, is 75W80 GL4 gear oil. So I guess this one could be the winner.
It would be nice to hear from someone more experienced than me (almost anyone is since I am just starting out) and pointing out what could/should be the better choice. So far, though, RP Syncromax sounds hit on, but other two could be better solutions instead of it. Tried looking at Torco MTF, but no ratings were shown and decided to purge it from the decision list.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:23 am |
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Not sure about Redline but I've heard Royal Purple is good, as will be Esso.
Any good quality 75W80 will be ok.
Have you looked at Opie Oils web site. they ship to some overseas countries ... but at a price.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:33 am |
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| Seabook wrote: |
but Jesus....that is expensive |
Cheaper than Halfords!
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| 2001 GTi 138, Bilstein Sprint dampers, H&R springs, 21mm Peugeot Sport torsion bars, 22mm rear ARB, Peugeot Sport Group A wishbones, 283mm discs, Goodridge stainless hoses, Maniflow 304 grade 4-2-1 2.5" manifold and system, 200 cell cat, Richard Longman head, 45mm Jenvey throttle bodies, 9.5mm TB spacers, 90mm air horns, Jenvey throttle linkage, Jenvey fuel rail, Aeromotive and Goodridge fuel fittings and braided hose, ITG sausage filter, Radtec custom radiator, Piper Ultimate Road cams, Piper vernier pulleys, Omex 600 ECU. Saxo electric PAS pump, Vibra Technics engine mounts. Samco coolant hoses, TTV steel flywheel, 4.76 final drive ratio, 307 CC 180 ratios. 2019 BMW 530i. 2017 Mercedes C300 convertible. | |
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:26 am |
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| gazza82 wrote: |
Have you looked at Opie Oils web site. they ship to some overseas countries ... but at a price. |
When you have to pay an extra 30 Euros for light objects to brought over, I wouldn't want to think about heavy oils! 
I have decided to take Redline MTL formulation. It's viscosities at 40 and 100 degrees C are slightly higher than Esso's BV 75W80, meanwhile Royal Purple Synchromax has them slightly lower. I don't know much, but I guess I should try keeping values a bit above original specs found in the recommended BV 75W80 oils.
If anyone who knows about oils and viscosities could point out to me that my conclusion is wrong, I will get Royal Purple Syncromax. Otherwise, I will order Redline tomorrow and see if I can have it over next week.
Thanks to everyone for the time taken to reply, it was really helpful at solving this problem.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:46 am |
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i am pretty such torco MTF has exactly the same viscosity range as total BV4.
and yes you are right redline MTF is slightly higher (that's why i suggest superlight shockprove); and RP Synchromax are slighly lower.
But again all those viscosity range are within SAE 75w/80 standard and to be fair different brands 75w/80 has different viscosity too. for example, motul 75w/80 and miller 75w/80 are thicker than total BV4; and that's why most people stick with total BV4 (and it is rather cheap in UV, about 4 GBP per L)
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:19 pm |
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I've used that ECP valvoline stuff thinking it would be ideal for my MA box.. utter nightmare.
Tried a few others over the years in there and Total BV 75W80 is the only one that seems to work
properly-permenantely. I wouldn't touch anything else but then I don't know what the BE box is like.
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:39 pm |
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| Edward wrote: |
| Seabook wrote: |
but Jesus....that is expensive |
Cheaper than Halfords! |
That's the think about Halfords .. they aren't cheap for a lot of stuff nowadays ... quick but again only if they have it in stock ...
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| Down to just the 1.4 HDi. Cayman Green 2.0i CC sold. | |
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