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 Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:41 am |
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Location: seaham, county durham
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Hi all, im new to this so plz be nice haha
Ok so i recently bought a little 206 1.1 look, stupidly with no MOT 
The MOT testing station basically laughed at me when they handed over a list as big as my arm...
im now trying to figure out if its worth repairing, or if its just bound for the scrap heep in the sky.
001 nearside front headlight aim too high [1.8]
002 offside front headlight aim too high [1.8]
003 nearside front headlamp aim beam image obviously incorrect [1.8.a.2]
004 nearside front suspension arm has excessive play in a ball joint [2.4.g.2]
**DANGEROUS**
005 offside front suspension arm ball joint dust cover excessively deteriorated so that it no longer prevents the ingress of dirt [2.4.g.2]
006 offside front tie bar/rod ball joint dust cover excessively deteriorated so that it no longer prevents the ingress of dirt [2.4.g.2]
007 offside front tie bar/rod has excessive play in a ball joint [2.4.g.2]
008 rear brake sensing valve seized [3.6.e.3]
009 fuel tank insecure, metal holding strap failed [7.2.1]
010 rear bonded suspension unit deteriorated and cannot function as intended [2.4.f.3]
011 exhaust emissions carbon monoxide content at idle excessive [7.3.d.5]
012 exhaust emissions carbon monoxide content after 2nd fast idle excessive [7.3.d.4]
013 exhaust emissions hydrocarbon content after 2nd fast idle excessive [7.3.d.4]
i bought the car for £300 as a little run about, have i got a lemon or is there life still in the old girl????
please please help......thankyou
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:48 am |
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Joined: Jul 18, 2011
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Location: Essex
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Scrap it. No point
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:50 am |
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| Abyzmal wrote: |
| Scrap it. No point |
What? If you're handy with the tools, neither of the jobs listed are difficult.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:51 am |
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Definitely a lemon, there's no way that car went through a legal MOT this time last year! must have been done by a friend/dodgy garage!!
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:52 am |
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| Abyzmal wrote: |
| Scrap it. No point |
I wouldn't go as far as that though
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2008 207 GT, Renault Clio 1.4 Dynamique 2006,
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:05 am |
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doesnt seem that bad, Probably fix the lights and tank holder for only a few quid!
Arms/ball joints ect will cost a lot more, unless you fix them yourself, if you choose to have a garage to do it i would say about £150 upwards of just parts and labour would be about the same, so really about the same as the value of the car...
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:10 am |
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Location: seaham, county durham
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Thanks for the honesty guys. I've no real understanding of the tools as you put it. I've had quotes from breakers yards for about 200 quid all in but then there's the fitting costs. Do any of you think its worth doing??? Been offered £110 for scrap.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:31 am |
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Mine was based on a garage doing the work hence scrap it, if you can't do any of it I wouldn't bother.
If you can do the easier jobs good luck.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:43 am |
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I would/could do the suspension arms, fuel tank and lights etc. But its the rear bonded suspension unit... What exactly is this??? Am I right in thinking it the rear axle..or am I way off...
My brother in law has some experience, hence the could/would..
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:04 am |
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You also need to factor in that high hydro-carbon reading and high carbon monoxide reading. The high hydro carbon is is either excess fuel, oil passing the piston rings, valve stem oil seals leaking or ecu telling the car to increase fuel to excess levels. Some faults and fixes are cheap(ish) like new injector or fix the exhaust blow between manifold and lambda sensor, the other - replacement engine - is a lot of money. It could be a few other things but what I have suggested are the most likely.
The high carbon monoxide with high hydrocarbons suggest to me that there is an air leak between the manifold but before the lambda sensor so the feedbackk circuit sees the excess air and tells the engine to throw more fuel at it. However, it could be something far more serious.
I think you have quite a bit of investigation work to cure those high emmission readings first. If you know you can fix the rest yourself then fix those readings before the rest. If you can't fix it yourself I think scrap it is the best option.
Despite the mechanicals you have not commented on exterior or interior condition nor what model or extras it is fitted with. That may sway the decision but unlikely.
Try here for new parts especially those lower wishbones (track control arms):-
www.buypartsby.co.uk/
If not the best they will be reasonable quality and perfectly good enough for a "run-around" though, unless you do it all yourself, I am still thinking scrap.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:35 am |
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THANKS to all for the advise and info, scrap value seems to be my favoured option. back to the drawing board bring on the next one hahaha.
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:15 am |
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| Lecktorious wrote: |
| Abyzmal wrote: |
| Scrap it. No point |
What? If you're handy with the tools, neither of the jobs listed are difficult. |
A easy weekends work there if your handy with the spanners.
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:32 pm |
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If you've got a mate with any experience of cars the suspension and steering issues are bread and butter stuff and not difficult to sort and aftermarket parts wouldn't cost the earth either. Certainly less than £100.
You'd be taking a punt on the emissions. A decent bit of Esso or Shell petrol and some injector cleaner and a bit of fresh oil in the sump can sometines pull you through. Bet the oil in that engne is older than you!
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:18 pm |
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I do agree that if you can do it yourself repair is viable but sort the emissions first. The rest are basic mechanical repairs but emissions could be several things and yes I did forget that a service that includes new oil and both air and oil filter might go a long way to curing those readings. I still suspect that there is a leak at the manifold or exhaust. But as above it could be something more serious.
Me? I would fix it but only because I can. If it is a garage job then it could get very expensive and if the rest of the car is in poor condition it will soon make that uneconomical.
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:59 am |
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The overall condition of the external and interiors are as close to perfect as possible, hence the reason it was bought in the first place. The paint works spot on, not even any stone chips, its also fitted with some 17" aftermarket rims that set it off a treat. Tyres all new, even the engine bay looks like its been maintained, haha looks can obviously be very.very deceiving.
Exhaust system is brand new from backbox to lambda sensor then things start looking abit tatty,
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