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 Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:57 am |
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OK so my daughter's car has an MOT advisory on slightly noisy rear bearing. The problem is how do I remove the circlip holding the existing bearing in?
The circlip does not have the normal eyes to use circlip pliers and the ends are the same shape as the rest of the circlips. The isn't anywhere to get something behind the clip (sometimes there are recesses in the casting to let you lever clips out but not in this case) so I can't prise it out.
Haynes manual shows a conventional circlip being removed with conventional circlip pliers but those fitted are not that type and the new cirlip supplied with the bearing is the same as that fitted to the car. I don't know where Haynes got their picture but it isn't what is fitted to this car.
Is it a case of also needing a new drum or is there a trick or special tool to remove these circlips?
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:15 am |
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There is a special tool available that Peugeot use.
When mine were done it was a case of a couple of small screwdrivers, a ground off pair of long nosed pliers, perseverance and a lot of swearing finally did the trick. We also found that the conventional looking circlip that was supplied with the new bearing, wouldn't go in.
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:15 am |
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What if you apply steady high pressure on the bearing pushing outwards, then 'work' the circlip out slowly with screwdriver and/or hammer while it's being 'pinched' by the bearing.
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:22 am |
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Alternatively, could you use a combalt-tip (1.50 GBP) small size drill-bit to make holes so you can use the normal tool to remove? Or not enough space?
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:44 am |
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| V9977 wrote: |
| Alternatively, could you use a combalt-tip (1.50 GBP) small size drill-bit to make holes so you can use the normal tool to remove? Or not enough space? |
This was one of the options we considered. Drill a small hole just above the circlip so you can get a screwdriver in behind it so you can ease it out enough to lift it and then use a second screwdriver to ease the rest out and the first one stops it pinging back in. Much easier to show than describe lol.
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:11 am |
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| macca1411 wrote: |
| V9977 wrote: |
| Alternatively, could you use a combalt-tip (1.50 GBP) small size drill-bit to make holes so you can use the normal tool to remove? Or not enough space? |
This was one of the options we considered. Drill a small hole just above the circlip so you can get a screwdriver in behind it so you can ease it out enough to lift it and then use a second screwdriver to ease the rest out and the first one stops it pinging back in. Much easier to show than describe lol. |
OK, I was thinking drilling the actual circlip 'pads', hence cobalt tip and v. low rpm.. I don't know how much area there on those though.
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:47 am |
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The circlip has an angle to both ends so with a small screwdriver you should be able to tap the screwdriver in and that will lever one end up then, with another small screwdriver, put that in the gap to prevent the end falling back in again
Then you just work around the circlip until it pops out
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:10 am |
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I think that I like the idea of a small drillbit to drill an area to get a small screw driver behind the circlip. I will try again with some perseverance fist (only because my drill is 6 miles away at the moment) and small tools but I hate using screwdrivers like this and don't have any small already worn ones.
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:56 am |
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| V9977 wrote: |
| macca1411 wrote: |
| V9977 wrote: |
| Alternatively, could you use a combalt-tip (1.50 GBP) small size drill-bit to make holes so you can use the normal tool to remove? Or not enough space? |
This was one of the options we considered. Drill a small hole just above the circlip so you can get a screwdriver in behind it so you can ease it out enough to lift it and then use a second screwdriver to ease the rest out and the first one stops it pinging back in. Much easier to show than describe lol. |
OK, I was thinking drilling the actual circlip 'pads', hence cobalt tip and v. low rpm.. I don't know how much area there on those though. |
There is only a bit of the circlip visible don't even think it's more than 2mm, not enough room to get a drill on it. It is a really crap design which was probably intended to make people go to the dealer for the work to be done. If you put a standard circlip on it, the lugs stick out and then the washer doesn't fit flush. Not sure if I have an OEM one in the shed so I can show you the comparison. Kandl could always take a photo of it in situ and then when he has got it out. Might help people in the future.
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:04 am |
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Some are fitted with normal internal circips, others are fitted with snaprings.
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:49 pm |
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:12 pm |
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Small screwdrivers and various bent objects have not worked as there just isn't enough room. Tomorrow will be out with the drill as several Internet posts suggest that will work.
Several posts also suggest the only success was to take the drums to Peugeot who have a very special tool.
I do notice that the replacement bearings themselves are sealed on both sides whereas the originals are not sealed and rely on the external seals. The replacement bearings also come with "snap rings" not conventional circlips.
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:18 pm |
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Thank you MrBsi but how do you get the darned snap rings out?
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:34 pm |
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If you end-up drilling make sure you use a decent cobalt drill-bit , otherwise it will be a nightmare..
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Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:16 am |
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| kandlbarrett wrote: |
| Thank you MrBsi but how do you get the darned snap rings out? |
Use the correct tool OR attack it with a Dremel.
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