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 Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:32 pm |
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So, my Pug 1.1L had its MOT (Irish NCT) today. Since I bought the car REALLY cheap, I knew there was going to be a few hundred quids worth of problems. Here's its fail list:
Steering Rack Gaiter (Insecure)
Airbags (Think it's the COMM2000 Unit!)
Dip and Beam Light Alignment
The light problem is very minor. They all work fine, but the passenger sides alignment is off.
The Steering Rack Gaiter came back as insecure. I think this is on the passenger side of the car behind the wheel, where I see the rubber seems to have been torn and as a result oil is leaking from there. Does this cound right?
The Airbags. I know my COMM2000 Unit needs replacing, because the indicators do not work properly and go off after a few second on their own, and also the lights come on randomly. If I'm right, the airbag wiring is interlinked to the COMM2000 Unit. But strangely, as far as I am aware, there is supposed to be wiring under the seats with connectors for the airbags, but there is none! There are holes under the seats for the wiring, and I can feel a thick wire in the hole, but there's nothing else! So I have no idea what's going on there... any advice?
Surprisingly, everything else on the car passed with flying colours, and the report I got back had emissions, axles etc all well within the fail rate range.
I have contacted a Main Peugeot Dealer and am off to see them on Tuesday morning to sort all of this out. I'm expecting a hefty bill of probably about €400-500.
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Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:33 pm |
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Oh god don't go dealer for a comms unit.
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Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:36 pm |
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| Jack123 wrote: |
| Oh god don't go dealer for a comms unit. |
I was thinking that myself, but they will be able to tell me for sure that is all thts wrong. Also, I need the wiring for the airbags under my seats. They said it could be the case that it is only the wiring under the seats that has caused this to happen, in which case would cost me €55/£45.
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Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:57 pm |
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Get the stealers to diagnose but don't go for the part! Unless its a harness repair. As a comms unit is about £250 new
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Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:01 pm |
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| Addaz wrote: |
| Get the stealers to diagnose but don't go for the part! Unless its a harness repair. As a comms unit is about £250 new |
Yeah, that's the plan anyway. I'm hoping it's just the fact that there's no wiring under the seat?
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Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 4:39 pm |
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Do you have airbags in the side of the seats? If not, then you have no need for the wiring, there will be a small black panel on the side of the seat facing the actual seatbelt.
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Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:05 pm |
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| Jack123 wrote: |
| Do you have airbags in the side of the seats? If not, then you have no need for the wiring, there will be a small black panel on the side of the seat facing the actual seatbelt. |
I'm not sure to be honest. There is a small black panel (see pic below), is this an airbag???
This is the thing. When I turn the airbag pass switch to off (see switch below), and turn the engine on, the airbag LED on the dash stays on and obviously wont go off. When I turn it back on, the first time I start the engine, the Airbag LED comes on and after about 3 seconds it goes off, which I imagine is normal, and then it wont come on again after subsequent restarts. Any ideas?
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Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:17 pm |
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| JayH04 wrote: |
| Jack123 wrote: |
| Do you have airbags in the side of the seats? If not, then you have no need for the wiring, there will be a small black panel on the side of the seat facing the actual seatbelt. |
I'm not sure to be honest. There is a small black panel (see pic below), is this an airbag???
This is the thing. When I turn the airbag pass switch to off (see switch below), and turn the engine on, the airbag LED on the dash stays on and obviously wont go off. When I turn it back on, the first time I start the engine, the Airbag LED comes on and after about 3 seconds it goes off, which I imagine is normal, and then it wont come on again after subsequent restarts. Any ideas?
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All that switch does is disable the front passenger airbag, no others, the airbag LED coming on and off with the switch as you described is perfectly normal.
See the image below:
If your seats have them on the side (Side facing the door!!) Then you need to airbag wiring under the sear. Have you ever changed the seats before? Because if would be very stranger for them to come as standard and for the wiring to vanish.
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Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:27 pm |
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| Jack123 wrote: |
All that switch does is disable the front passenger airbag, no others, the airbag LED coming on and off with the switch as you described is perfectly normal.
See the image below:
If your seats have them on the side (Side facing the door!!) Then you need to airbag wiring under the sear. Have you ever changed the seats before? Because if would be very stranger for them to come as standard and for the wiring to vanish. |
This is where I am becoming suspicious. My seats do not have them side panels. The person who owned the car last done me! I discovered last week that the car had a fake MOT. Went to the police and theyre chasing the last owner down. I reckon the last owner put the car in for MOT, realised that it failed on airbags, and removed the airbag wiring so when selling the car, no warning would show on the dash. I think that the removed wiring is the problem.
Anyway, I've found an independent dealer who specialises in French cars. So I'll take it to Peugeot, see what they say, and then take it to the independent mechanic and see what he says.
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Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:46 pm |
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If your seats do not have them panels then you have no need for the wiring under the seats and the wiring would of never been there, if you are getting an airbag error, the issue is elsewhere.
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Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:28 pm |
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| Jack123 wrote: |
| If your seats do not have them panels then you have no need for the wiring under the seats and the wiring would of never been there, if you are getting an airbag error, the issue is elsewhere. |
Oh right, sorry about that Jack123 I misunderstood. Hmm, then what could be at fault? I'm a bit stumped by this one then, because Services in the Peugeot garage said it is more than likely wiring under the seating and it would be a relatively easy fix :/
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Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:01 pm |
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As far as I know, if you don't have the side airbags in the seats, then there is no wiring in the area which has anything to do with the airbag system.
What kind of error are you getting? Warning light on the dash, Message on the MFD? Best bet would be to plug in to a diagnostics machine.
I'm assuming you just have driver and passenger Airbags, IF the comms unit is faulty, that could be the cause there, but as I said, best get the error codes read.
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Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 8:39 pm |
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| Jack123 wrote: |
As far as I know, if you don't have the side airbags in the seats, then there is no wiring in the area which has anything to do with the airbag system.
What kind of error are you getting? Warning light on the dash, Message on the MFD? Best bet would be to plug in to a diagnostics machine.
I'm assuming you just have driver and passenger Airbags, IF the comms unit is faulty, that could be the cause there, but as I said, best get the error codes read. |
This is it, not getting any errors at all! The airbag light just does not come on when I start the engine and then go off after a few seconds. Its as if the airbags don't exist. But the light does work because, as I said earlier, I used to switch on/off to test it. Yeah, I must just have the driver and passenger airbags.
Thanks for all your help though. Wrecking my brain with it. Well I know the comm unit is gone almost for certain - its doing the faulty lights and indicator thing it does. Maybe replacing this will fix it. I will update when I've heard from Peugeot and the independent dealer!
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:17 am |
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| JayH04 wrote: |
| Jack123 wrote: |
As far as I know, if you don't have the side airbags in the seats, then there is no wiring in the area which has anything to do with the airbag system.
What kind of error are you getting? Warning light on the dash, Message on the MFD? Best bet would be to plug in to a diagnostics machine.
I'm assuming you just have driver and passenger Airbags, IF the comms unit is faulty, that could be the cause there, but as I said, best get the error codes read. |
This is it, not getting any errors at all! The airbag light just does not come on when I start the engine and then go off after a few seconds. Its as if the airbags don't exist. But the light does work because, as I said earlier, I used to switch on/off to test it. Yeah, I must just have the driver and passenger airbags.
Thanks for all your help though. Wrecking my brain with it. Well I know the comm unit is gone almost for certain - its doing the faulty lights and indicator thing it does. Maybe replacing this will fix it. I will update when I've heard from Peugeot and the independent dealer! |
Uh.... I'm not 100% sure if the light should come on when you start the engine, pretty sure mine doesn't.
The light should only come on when there is an issue with the airbags, or as you said, you have disabled the passenger one..
What makes you think it has a fault? Did it used to come on before? Or?
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Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:25 am |
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Take the bulb out (or put tape over if it's a SMD) for the MOT, then fix the fault after.
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