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 Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:07 pm |
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I've noticed for a little while that the tracking on my car isn't quite right, so I had it checked out, here is the result
If you stand behind the car you can see that the 'toe' on the rear passenger wheel is not quite right. I know it is not a lot of information to go by, but could this be as a result of something that cause an MOT fail (6 weeks away)?
The place that tested the tracking said that they couldn't do anything about it for me, which makes me wonder what could be causing the problem. I don't really get any knocking noises apart from the fact that my front top mount bearing needs replacing, which is a seperate issue.
Any help would be great thanks
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:49 pm |
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Rear beams probably shagged.
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:41 pm |
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I doubt they will pick that amount of camber up on a MOT unless there is play in the arm. Looks like it's needing a rebuild though mate!
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Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:05 am |
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If you have hit a kerb or even went through a pothole hard then maybe you have bent the axle stub pin. They might be saying they cant repair as you cant get those parts from Peugeot anymore only the whole swining arm which wont be cheap.
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Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:44 am |
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I will point out that about 5 models in our peugeot range along eith some fords have a 1 degree extra of camber than the other side. It is just how they are built, you cant change the fact
So just ignore it, as they arent adjustable. Part from mine that is 
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Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:08 pm |
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Thanks for reply guys
Potholes are unavoidable around me. 
They told me to heat up the arm and try to twist it, but I won't be taking on that task. If it's ruined or the bearings are gone I would rather just get a recon axle. Obviously that is not an expense I would like to be forced into with only a few weeks till MOT
I'm more concerned about the toe and thrust angle of the car than the camber at the minute. I'll have to jack it up when I get a minute, or have my friendly MOT guy do a pre-inspection.
Cheers
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Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:50 pm |
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Mate honestly its fine! All the bippers that were subject to the recall of a rear axle had 2 degrees of camber. And also think the axle does rotate. You have 12 positive and 5 minus, just undo the bolts for the axle and rotate it slightly
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Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:28 am |
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Thousands of cars leave factories with rear alignment outside of factory tolerance and on the 206 that is not adjustable.
If you are worried my advice is to leave it six months and have another four wheel check done. If it is getting worse that is early warning that your rear axle is on its way out.
AS Addaz says do nothing for now as the only real cure is a new or recon axle and that isn't necessary yet.
NOTE: you will get small variations between machine and operator. You can also get large variations if the equipment fixes to the outside of your wheel rim as most do and very few operators bother to check for wheel buckles before starting the measurements - a small buckle on your wheel will be a huge measurement in alignment error. Highest quality wheel alignment equipment now fixes to the centre portion of the wheel. So actually even a re-measure in 6 months isn't the garaunteed indication of what is happening. As Addaz says do nothing!
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Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:53 pm |
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Thanks guys 
Come to think of it I do have a slight buckle on two wheels and these are fitted to the back of the car!
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Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:48 am |
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There you go then. Have a trawl and see if you cand find the type of machine that fixes to the centre of your wheel and the company with one. Even then don't be surprised if the rear is still out.
Also if it is a poor operator of the equipment you may have buckled front wheels and your toe may have been set to correct for buckled wheels and is also out even though the print is now good.
Personally you obviously didn't have a great operator as the front should be equal not just green. That is lazy as with just a bit of of effort they should be spot on and on the centre mark on both sides. Most customers see green on the prints and think that is OK and it is(ish) but not what I would accept.
Next time stroke the ego of the mechanic doing it and tell him that if it is bang on you will recommend the centre to all your mates. Most guys can't resists showing off if you stroke their ego. Learn that trick it will help you for the rest of your life and so much easier than losing your temper and fighting for what you want!
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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:44 pm |
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I only just saw this comment, kandl, I learned something from it thank you
A customer of mine last week gave me a card for his tyre and tracking business, so hopefully will go to him next time
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:59 am |
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| Addaz wrote: |
| Mate honestly its fine! All the bippers that were subject to the recall of a rear axle had 2 degrees of camber. And also think the axle does rotate. You have 12 positive and 5 minus, just undo the bolts for the axle and rotate it slightly |
Extremely interesting, please explain Addaz.
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Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:20 am |
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Just an update on this, my MOT tester said that there was no play anywhere on the axle and it passed, I trust his judgment on this
Soon I will be taking the torsion bars out to fit the 21mm ones I purchased a year ago, I feel that the one side is currently slightly lower than the other, maybe this could be related to the tracking issue
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Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:03 am |
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I doubt it. I suspect that the rear pivot points are perfectly horizontal and perpendicular to the chassis meaning that when the wheels pivot the angle in relation to the car doesn't change. I stand to be corrected on this as it is my assumption rather than known fact. Anyone know the facts on the alignment if the stub axle in relation to body?
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