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 Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:25 pm |
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I am getting the chime to say the key is in the ignition with the door open.
Could I have a bunch of wires that may have rubbed and split so causing short circuits on the above problems with short circuits
Cams are also turning.
Am I right in thinking that the crank shaft would be the only one that would prevent the car starting out of the faults found or could the tps prevent starting altogether as well. Thought this would just give irrational revving
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Last edited by 206gt160 on Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:25 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:40 pm |
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Nobody have a view on any of this??
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:59 pm |
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A faulty crank sensor would not tell the ecu the position of the crank, so ought prevent starting? Have you checked the wiring for it! The sensor is on top of the gearbox, in the block.
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:00 pm |
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Clear the faults and see which ones come back. There only interment ones.
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:13 pm |
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I tried removing this and cleaning it with no look but I can not get a decent image on google to see if I am at the correct sensor. I will have to clear the faults again on Saturday to see which ones come back but I was sure it came back with crank sensor and tps faults.
A dodgy crank sensor would prevent starting yes.
How would pp2000 tell me if the imobiliser was on or not.
Bsi says no faults and ecu is unlocked (is the ecu unlocked imobiliser off)
I get a chime when the door opens with key in ignition so again bsi seems ok.
Pump primes but when the fuel pipe is disconnected from the rail and ignition turned no fuels floods out, also no spark
I need to check the tps to see if the voltage goes up smoothly on opening the throttle 0.4 to around 5v is what I should see as well as a permanent 5v and a permanent 0v. Would a faulty tps sensor prevent the car starting.
Could well be broken wires I will go over them saturday
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:36 am |
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Have you checked whether the cams are turning over?
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:15 am |
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He said Cams are turning at top of this page.
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:09 am |
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Crank senor or dogey wires ! DOGEY WIRES !
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:08 am |
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Yes the cams are turning, but not very fast. I am unsure on how fast they should turn, surely it is slow until the engine turns over and revs pic up.
I am going to check the crank sensor on saturday, does this sit ontop of the gearbox itself or on the block?
Also I will be stripping down the tape and insulation of the main loom to check for faulty wiring.
Crank sensor is only intermittent and when cleared I dont think it came back up I will check saturday.
what should the crank sensor wiring read, is it a two wire 0v and 12v supply I should be seeing on the plug?
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:16 am |
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Cams will turn slowly off key. Faster they turn ,higher the rpm .
Not to sure on the voltage of the crank sensor or what it should read ..
Check n trace the cable .
Long as there is a complete circuit & volts . It should be ok ..
Good luck .
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:48 am |
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Crank sensor sits on the top of the gearbox almost just behind the thermostat housing, 10mm bolt holding it in place. It sit's downwards pointing towards the flywheel. It does sound like a crank sensor fault. Had exactly the same symptoms on a GTi 138 a couple of years ago, went to pull the sensor out and it came out in bits. New sensor in, fired first turn of the key. That started by cutting out on the road.
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:51 pm |
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Even without starting the cams should turn quickly. I'd be looking at a slipping belt as well.
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:00 pm |
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Thanks for the info lads I will get on with it on Saturday and see what the outcome is.
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| 1999 206 Gt... Gti180 inlet, Gti180 exhaust manifold, Gti180 injectors, Gti-6 throttle body, Custom Adapter pipe to mate the throttle body to intake, Gti180 alternator, Gti-6 ICV, Straight through stainless exhaust system, cat cams (apparently), Avo coilovers, short shift gear stick, stripped out with fixed back bucket seat and harness, flocked dash, momo steering wheel and D2 solid boss, real carbon cold air intake, Gti-6 front calipers and 288mm disks, rear drilled and grooved disks, morette headlights, sp bonnet grill 71,456 miles
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:01 pm |
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| Steve206 wrote: |
| Even without starting the cams should turn quickly. I'd be looking at a slipping belt as well. |
How quickly are we talking
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:08 pm |
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Quick enough you wouldn't want to touch. A car on idle runs at about 750 revs a min, so similar to that.
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