#1: Expensive service Author: Locky, Location: Newcastle / PlymouthPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:27 am ---- Probably flogging it next month so put it in for big old service, I asked them to look at the groaning/grinding coming from upfront, and my (let me think) 5th Antipollution fault popped up the other day so Ive asked them to look at it.
So the guy calls......prices with the labour
Strut top mount and kit - £99.87
Strut top mount and kit - £99.87
(yup, both shot - lots of labour!)
New ball joint (complete arm) - £78.00
(excessive play)
Track rod end + tracking - £64.00
(Funked)
New Pirelli Zero Nero - £110
(unrepairable screw in wall)
Oh yeah the 84k service - £140
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So far £591.74
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And its not been on the diagnostics yet
Put that together with the £300 I spent last month on the last set of problems - I feel sick. Vodka time.
Hey at least whoever fancies buying it next month knows they are getting a lot of new stuff Last edited by Locky on Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:32 am; edited 1 time in total
#2: Re: Expensive service Author: coopskin, Location: Hull, East YorkshirePosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:31 am ---- topmounts do not cost that much mate!
#3: Re: Expensive service Author: Ruffy_206, Location: BristolPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:33 am ---- that seems dear
200 quid to change the top mounts. if he was replacing the arm and the trackrod then most of it would of been off anyway.
#4: Re: Expensive service Author: l1nuxxx, Location: Falkirk, ScotlandPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:35 am ---- I was thinking the top mounts were a bit expensive.
#5: Re: Expensive service Author: Locky, Location: Newcastle / PlymouthPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:35 am ---- I was waiting for the comments on the prices
From what the guy said, its a lot of labour doing them. Dropping the lot and compressing springs etc.
Those prices are fitted, but I expected the parts would be cheaper on the bay of e, but I just havent got the time to do it this way. Then finding a garage that will fit major components which they havent supplied. An exhaust or something yes they will, but I doubt steering and bits like that.
I wouldnt do it if I was a mech.
With the ball ache of not being home for deliveries and general dicking about trying to get it all fitted, it would be false economy. It doesnt 'feel' like they are taking the p1ss, and I just dont have the luxury of time or ability to do it myself.
Cheers for the links though. I just wish the missus would get home with that vodka!
#6: Re: Expensive service Author: Ruffy_206, Location: BristolPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:43 am ---- i see what your saying if you need it done you need it done. but the labour cost of this is massive
340 to do the top 4
which would take a garage around 2-3 hours tops
parts are about 100 and no they wont be using any different parts to eurocarpart.co.uk
tracking will take about 30 mins and garages usally charage around 30 ish.
so 200 pound for 2-3 hours work is alot. if thier taking more than 2-3 hours they dont really no what thier doing
but glad your getting your car sorted im fitting all my new parts tomorrow.
#7: Re: Expensive service Author: Locky, Location: Newcastle / PlymouthPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:55 am ---- Its a Croxdale www.citroennortheast.c...tep1.html. Ive lost faith with my local garage as they didnt tighten the cover bolts up fully when they changed the cambelt and also I asked them recently to look at this same problem and they said they couldnt see anything. They would have been cheaper for sure. The Pug dealer would have been dearer.
I would have got my mate to look at it in plymouth but I wanted the service and problems sorted before a 400 mile drive and im only there for the weekend.
What new parts you fitting Ruffy?
#8: Re: Expensive service Author: Ruffy_206, Location: BristolPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:01 am ---- yeah i understand you bud its a hard game dad owns a garage you see and if you need your car done you need it done
im fitting new wishbones,topmounts taking my coilovers out and cleaning them probly take the helper spring out and new droplinks arb bushes and a cv boot as i put a hole in it the other day oopps.
#9: Re: Expensive service Author: Locky, Location: Newcastle / PlymouthPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:18 am ---- Believe it or not, its the new tyre thats miffing me just feels like kicking me when im down. Frikkin screws.
I remember when I first got the car in 2002, I drove to plymouth and when I got there had to get a new tyre for the same reason.
Now we are soon to part company and its happened again!
Just hope the anti pollution isnt anything too bad.
I rekon both our cars will feel like brand new when we get them sorted.
#10: Re: Expensive service Author: D4NTP, Location: Not Leeds or its surrounding areas!Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:24 am ---- I've just had both top mounts done, both lower arms, cv joint and a wheel bearing ,rear caliper cleaned up/seals etc plus an oil and filter change and that cost £300.........they must have good eyesight......saw you coming a mile off
#11: Re: Expensive service Author: Ruffy_206, Location: BristolPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:29 am ----
Locky wrote:
Believe it or not, its the new tyre thats miffing me just feels like kicking me when im down. Frikkin screws.
I remember when I first got the car in 2002, I drove to plymouth and when I got there had to get a new tyre for the same reason.
Now we are soon to part company and its happened again!
Just hope the anti pollution isnt anything too bad.
I rekon both our cars will feel like brand new when we get them sorted.
bummer mate. hope the car feels good after coming out the garage.
and anti pollution could be anything lol its good old pug telling you something is wrong but god no's what.
#12: Re: Expensive service Author: Locky, Location: Newcastle / PlymouthPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:37 am ---- I am well versed in anti pollution. Maf sensor once, accelerator position sensor most recently...
#13: Re: Expensive service Author: tamatisk, Location: LancasterPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:53 am ---- I feel your pain. So far I've spent about £650 on a car that was checked out and had a MOT only a month ago.
#14: Re: Expensive service Author: copey, Location: rochdalePosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:49 pm ---- top mounts should be bout £40 retail, my mate got me his through work at trade rate and was just over £30
#15: Re: Expensive service Author: colin, Location: brentwoodPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:15 am ---- price for lower arm is too cheap,garage must be using the nastiest pattern parts available.both sides ideally should be done and tracked.but i suppose your getting rid of it soon,not a great advert for it though.as for service do it yourself it isn't rocket science.
#16: Re: Expensive service Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:23 am ----
colin wrote:
price for lower arm is too cheap,garage must be using the nastiest pattern parts available.both sides ideally should be done and tracked.but i suppose your getting rid of it soon,not a great advert for it though.as for service do it yourself it isn't rocket science.
42, 62 or 81quid from eurocarparts so 78 looks expensive to me lol
#17: Re: Expensive service Author: colin, Location: brentwoodPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:07 am ----
Seabook wrote:
colin wrote:
price for lower arm is too cheap,garage must be using the nastiest pattern parts available.both sides ideally should be done and tracked.but i suppose your getting rid of it soon,not a great advert for it though.as for service do it yourself it isn't rocket science.
42, 62 or 81quid from eurocarparts so 78 looks expensive to me lol
like i said must be using the nastiest pattern part to supply and fit for that money.what bit dont you understand.
#18: Re: Expensive service Author: Locky, Location: Newcastle / PlymouthPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:56 am ----
colin wrote:
Seabook wrote:
colin wrote:
price for lower arm is too cheap,garage must be using the nastiest pattern parts available.both sides ideally should be done and tracked.but i suppose your getting rid of it soon,not a great advert for it though.as for service do it yourself it isn't rocket science.
42, 62 or 81quid from eurocarparts so 78 looks expensive to me lol
like i said must be using the nastiest pattern part to supply and fit for that money.what bit dont you understand.
Cheers for the input - I see you are as chirpy as usual Colin. Whilst I appreciate servicing isnt rocket science, you still need time to do it, and I just dont have that or inclination to change oil, filter, fuel filter, tighten stuff up, flush the systems, inspect everything etc as I have already explained.
I also explained why I had to have the work done where I did. Your opinion of them using a 'nasty' pattern part is just that - an opinion. Regardless of price, any future owner is going to know its had a decent specialist service, a thorough professional inspection and replacement of critical parts.
I fail to see how any of this is detrimental to a sale, as opposed to some back yard DIY maintenance.
#19: Re: Expensive service Author: colin, Location: brentwoodPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 6:15 am ---- wow you do make a service sound like a lot of work.if your happy with your specialists using the cheapest parts they can find good luck to you,part of doing it yourself is knowing what parts,fluids etc you have used.you don't even have spark plugs to change on your diesel,would be serviced in less than 1 hour.cheap wishbones are not worth the labor to do twice.but hey.
#20: Re: Expensive service Author: ExoVyper, Location: Waiting for the tugboats to push me into port (Whitehaven)Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:49 am ---- oh lol somebody doesn't know about 206's xD
no matter what wishbones you put on the 206 eats them with admirable gusto everytime.
especially when you have the heavier motors in, my 206 loved the wish bones i got put in a year down the line and it had destroyed two!
but aslo when people say they dont have time then they just don't. i'm a heavy machinery mechanic and i can easily do my wishbones, but i put the old girl into a garage as with being at work constantly or doing something else i physically couldn't get round to it (not having a 2 post lift didn't help either )
#21: Re: Expensive service Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:31 pm ----
ExoVyper wrote:
no matter what wishbones you put on the 206 eats them with admirable gusto everytime.
Not true at all.
#22: Re: Expensive service Author: dturbopeck, Location: newcastle upon tynePosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:14 pm ---- mate if you want this sorted for alot less give me a pm with your reg and i will sort you out a price as i work at R and P Woods in heaton and do alot of my own work on the weekends
#23: Re: Expensive service Author: ExoVyper, Location: Waiting for the tugboats to push me into port (Whitehaven)Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:12 pm ----
Edward wrote:
ExoVyper wrote:
no matter what wishbones you put on the 206 eats them with admirable gusto everytime.
mate if you want this sorted for alot less give me a pm with your reg and i will sort you out a price as i work at R and P Woods in heaton and do alot of my own work on the weekends
Thats good to know cheers mate. I see your place has a good rep on PistonHeads too. I will defo keep you in mind for the future regardless of car, as ive already had the work on this thread done.
ExoVyper wrote:
Edward wrote:
ExoVyper wrote:
no matter what wishbones you put on the 206 eats them with admirable gusto everytime.
Not true at all.
oh i thoguht they did :S nevermind
Im sitting on the fence with this one. I do actually drive exceptionally carefully to try and miss the majority of pot holes and craters but I do drive the car pretty hard. Think this is the 2nd one, Pug did the first one.
Cheers guys.
#25: Re: Expensive service Author: dturbopeck, Location: newcastle upon tynePosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:51 pm ---- ok mate no problemo!
I expect you will see me soon enough if my car doesnt sell! The local garage Anne St I normally use I have lost faith in - Pug dealer is out, and by all accounts from what some have said on this thread ive been done up like a kipper by Croxdale. Im running outta mechs! And I pretty much pass your place each day to get out to Cobalt business park near silverlink.
Sorry to see your 180 is going...
#27: Re: Expensive service Author: colin, Location: brentwoodPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:53 am ---- I fail to see how any of this is detrimental to a sale, as opposed to some back yard DIY maintenance.[/quote the work needed on your car is far from specialist,cheap lower arms are just that,nasty copies made to a price.most if not all independent garages probably use the cheapest parts they can source,giving the impression the 206 eats lower arms.i would not recommend anyone use the cheap rubbish available if you plan on keeping your car.my backyard diy maintenance efforts mean i don't have to moan about expensive service costs and don't use crap parts.yours chirpily. Last edited by colin on Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:28 am; edited 1 time in total
#28: Re: Expensive service Author: colin, Location: brentwoodPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:22 am ----
ExoVyper wrote:
oh lol somebody doesn't know about 206's xD
no matter what wishbones you put on the 206 eats them with admirable gusto everytime.
especially when you have the heavier motors in, my 206 loved the wish bones i got put in a year down the line and it had destroyed two!
but aslo when people say they dont have time then they just don't. i'm a heavy machinery mechanic and i can easily do my wishbones, but i put the old girl into a garage as with being at work constantly or doing something else i physically couldn't get round to it (not having a 2 post lift didn't help either )
some mechanic you must be.iam far from being a mechanic but by doing the job myself could easily change both wishbones in about 1 hour,without the aid of 2 post lift.
#29: Re: Expensive service Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:31 am ----
colin wrote:
ExoVyper wrote:
oh lol somebody doesn't know about 206's xD
no matter what wishbones you put on the 206 eats them with admirable gusto everytime.
especially when you have the heavier motors in, my 206 loved the wish bones i got put in a year down the line and it had destroyed two!
but aslo when people say they dont have time then they just don't. i'm a heavy machinery mechanic and i can easily do my wishbones, but i put the old girl into a garage as with being at work constantly or doing something else i physically couldn't get round to it (not having a 2 post lift didn't help either )
some mechanic you must be.iam far from being a mechanic but by doing the job myself could easily change both wishbones in about 1 hour,without the aid of 2 post lift.
Really?! I find that hard to believe.
It took myself and a qualified mechanic 3 hours since they would not budge and the driveshafts had to be removed too.
#30: Re: Expensive service Author: colin, Location: brentwoodPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:39 am ---- the drive shaft is one nut,and i was allowing for that in my estimated time,granted i struggled the first time i did this job,but like i said iam far from a qualified mechanic.i stand by my statement of 1hour give or take a few mins.as for not budging one smack of 4 pound club hammer = seconds.the drive shaft does not have to be removed.
#31: Re: Expensive service Author: ExoVyper, Location: Waiting for the tugboats to push me into port (Whitehaven)Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:28 am ----
colin the keyboard warrior wrote:
ExoVyper wrote:
oh lol somebody doesn't know about 206's xD
no matter what wishbones you put on the 206 eats them with admirable gusto everytime.
especially when you have the heavier motors in, my 206 loved the wish bones i got put in a year down the line and it had destroyed two!
but aslo when people say they dont have time then they just don't. i'm a heavy machinery mechanic and i can easily do my wishbones, but i put the old girl into a garage as with being at work constantly or doing something else i physically couldn't get round to it (not having a 2 post lift didn't help either )
some mechanic you must be.iam far from being a mechanic but by doing the job myself could easily change both wishbones in about 1 hour,without the aid of 2 post lift.
wow do you even know what a heavy machinery mechanic is? or has daddy not allowed your private tutor to tell of such things? a heavy machinery mechanic such as myself works on the likes of 40 ton excavators and bulldozers and i assure you none of these things have wishbones so pardon me for not being so accustomed to such work, not everyone is minted and can afford everything from the dealer. Working on wishbones on the floor is dangerous as the puling and riving you have to do could easily knock the car off the stands. Any wishbones i did on escort vans at work were a piece of pe on a two post lift with my airgun.
i suggest you quit whatever stupid job your doing and get a job as a mechanic then cause you'd make a fortune from changing parts on cars if you can do it that fast. Last edited by ExoVyper on Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:45 am; edited 1 time in total
#32: Re: Expensive service Author: ExoVyper, Location: Waiting for the tugboats to push me into port (Whitehaven)Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:31 am ----
colin wrote:
the drive shaft is one nut,and i was allowing for that in my estimated time,granted i struggled the first time i did this job,but like i said iam far from a qualified mechanic.i stand by my statement of 1hour give or take a few mins.as for not budging one smack of 4 pound club hammer = seconds.the drive shaft does not have to be removed.
someone must've done it before you then smearing it with copper grease and then putting it back together for you to have a go cause im sorry in real life such things don't happen so easy
#33: Re: Expensive service Author: colin, Location: brentwoodPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:45 am ---- were talking about undoing a few nuts and bolts here,surely your heavy machines have these.your stupid remarks i put down to a state education,and feel sorry for you.
#34: Re: Expensive service Author: ExoVyper, Location: Waiting for the tugboats to push me into port (Whitehaven)Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:49 am ---- i think everyone on here must feel sorry for you cause i dont think you'll have many friends with this 5hitty attitude you have to everybody.
in what way are my remaks stupid?
#35: Re: Expensive service Author: D4NTP, Location: Not Leeds or its surrounding areas!Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:50 am ----
ExoVyper wrote:
colin the keyboard warrior wrote:
ExoVyper wrote:
oh lol somebody doesn't know about 206's xD
no matter what wishbones you put on the 206 eats them with admirable gusto everytime.
especially when you have the heavier motors in, my 206 loved the wish bones i got put in a year down the line and it had destroyed two!
but aslo when people say they dont have time then they just don't. i'm a heavy machinery mechanic and i can easily do my wishbones, but i put the old girl into a garage as with being at work constantly or doing something else i physically couldn't get round to it (not having a 2 post lift didn't help either )
some mechanic you must be.iam far from being a mechanic but by doing the job myself could easily change both wishbones in about 1 hour,without the aid of 2 post lift.
wow do you even know what a heavy machinery mechanic is? or has daddy not allowed your private tutor to tell of such things? a heavy machinery mechanic such as myself works on the likes of 40 ton excavators and bulldozers and i assure you none of these things have wishbones so pardon me for not being so accustomed to such work, not everyone is minted and can afford everything from the dealer. Working on wishbones on the floor is dangerous as the puling and riving you have to do could easily knock the car off the stands. Any wishbones i did on escort vans at work were a piece of pe on a two post lift with my airgun.
i suggest you quit whatever stupid job your doing and get a job as a mechanic then cause you'd make a fortune from changing parts on cars if you can do it that fast.
How's this guy minted.....he climbes about under a [u]206[u] fixing things himself! Now if Col' had said, 'my butler took an hour to do it' then i'd agree minted! that reminds me, Jeeves, come finish this post off, my fingers are tired from typing
#36: Re: Expensive service Author: ExoVyper, Location: Waiting for the tugboats to push me into port (Whitehaven)Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:52 am ----
D4NTP wrote:
ExoVyper wrote:
colin the keyboard warrior wrote:
ExoVyper wrote:
oh lol somebody doesn't know about 206's xD
no matter what wishbones you put on the 206 eats them with admirable gusto everytime.
especially when you have the heavier motors in, my 206 loved the wish bones i got put in a year down the line and it had destroyed two!
but aslo when people say they dont have time then they just don't. i'm a heavy machinery mechanic and i can easily do my wishbones, but i put the old girl into a garage as with being at work constantly or doing something else i physically couldn't get round to it (not having a 2 post lift didn't help either )
some mechanic you must be.iam far from being a mechanic but by doing the job myself could easily change both wishbones in about 1 hour,without the aid of 2 post lift.
wow do you even know what a heavy machinery mechanic is? or has daddy not allowed your private tutor to tell of such things? a heavy machinery mechanic such as myself works on the likes of 40 ton excavators and bulldozers and i assure you none of these things have wishbones so pardon me for not being so accustomed to such work, not everyone is minted and can afford everything from the dealer. Working on wishbones on the floor is dangerous as the puling and riving you have to do could easily knock the car off the stands. Any wishbones i did on escort vans at work were a piece of pe on a two post lift with my airgun.
i suggest you quit whatever stupid job your doing and get a job as a mechanic then cause you'd make a fortune from changing parts on cars if you can do it that fast.
How's this guy minted.....he climbes about under a [u]206[u] fixing things himself! Now if Col' had said, 'my butler took an hour to do it' then i'd agree minted! that reminds me, Jeeves, come finish this post off, my fingers are tired from typing
oh lol! i have made a mistake there xD
but that jeeves comment has made me chuckle
#37: Re: Expensive service Author: Bailey, Location: Finding Dr. RobotnikPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:25 am ----
colin wrote:
were talking about undoing a few nuts and bolts here,surely your heavy machines have these.your stupid remarks i put down to a state education,and feel sorry for you.
State education? What's that got to do with anything. Get off your high horse you silly little yuppie. You love yourself! Who paid for your education? Well then. t***er.
#38: Re: Expensive service Author: colin, Location: brentwoodPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:30 am ---- humor not your strong point bailey?
#39: Re: Expensive service Author: D4NTP, Location: Not Leeds or its surrounding areas!Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:48 am ---- Only difference is in private school the teachers are too afraid to tell the parents their child is stupid (not good for business)
#40: Re: Expensive service Author: Quarmbo, Location: Bristol & LeicesterPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:20 am ----
D4NTP wrote:
Only difference is in private school the teachers are too afraid to tell the parents their child is stupid (not good for business)
#41: Re: Expensive service Author: Quarmbo, Location: Bristol & LeicesterPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:22 am ---- I've got to say Colin, I've seen several of your posts on here and relented from commenting, as I would only be drawn into a slanging match. But it seems, everytime you post, your setting out to antagonise people. Why?
#42: Re: Expensive service Author: D4NTP, Location: Not Leeds or its surrounding areas!Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:24 am ----
Quarmbo wrote:
I've got to say Colin, I've seen several of your posts on here and relented from commenting, as I would only be drawn into a slanging match. But it seems, everytime you post, your setting out to antagonise people. Why?
haha, like that comment won't antagonise old Col'
#43: Re: Expensive service Author: Quarmbo, Location: Bristol & LeicesterPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:28 am ----
D4NTP wrote:
Quarmbo wrote:
I've got to say Colin, I've seen several of your posts on here and relented from commenting, as I would only be drawn into a slanging match. But it seems, everytime you post, your setting out to antagonise people. Why?
haha, like that comment won't antagonise old Col'
Your right. Woops. But honestly, every single post I've seen from him always tends to draw an arguement. And this is the 2nd time I've seen him talking about his class. I'm just curious...!
#44: Re: Expensive service Author: apjs87, Location: PlymouthPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:33 am ----
Quarmbo wrote:
D4NTP wrote:
Quarmbo wrote:
I've got to say Colin, I've seen several of your posts on here and relented from commenting, as I would only be drawn into a slanging match. But it seems, everytime you post, your setting out to antagonise people. Why?
haha, like that comment won't antagonise old Col'
Your right. Woops. But honestly, every single post I've seen from him always tends to draw an arguement. And this is the 2nd time I've seen him talking about his class. I'm just curious...!
i've seen the same thing and like you have stayed out. 'Col', whats the deal huh?
#45: Re: Expensive service Author: colin, Location: brentwoodPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:55 am ---- sorry for upsetting you,as for mentioning my class where does that come from.guess ill just have to conform ,agree with everyone whether they know what their talking about or not.must dash Pimm's O'clock.
#46: Re: Expensive service Author: D4NTP, Location: Not Leeds or its surrounding areas!Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:57 am ---- Yeh the class thing is a bit harsh, i'm sure someone just assumed the class thing from Col living in Brentwood, but i've seen Police interceptors and it looks a dive! lol
#47: Re: Expensive service Author: copey, Location: rochdalePosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:08 am ----
colin wrote:
sorry for upsetting you,as for mentioning my class where does that come from.guess ill just have to conform ,agree with everyone whether they know what their talking about or not.must dash Pimm's O'clock.
hope your not planning on driving home from work then
#48: Re: Expensive service Author: Locky, Location: Newcastle / PlymouthPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:23 am ---- Good to see this thread still burning bright!
Was hoping colin had chilled out a bit by now and grasped the concept that you dont have to belittle and argue the toss with people to give an opinion on something. You also dont have to nod and agree with everything, but if you cant understand how to get your point across in a way that doesnt make you come across as an agrumentative know-it-all then maybe social forums arent the place for you sir. Im sure there are lots of american kids on xbox live just longing to have a row with a kid like you.
#49: Re: Expensive service Author: D4NTP, Location: Not Leeds or its surrounding areas!Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:01 am ---- Antagonising the antagoniser....i can see a reply coming from our Col' over this one
#50: Re: Expensive service Author: Locky, Location: Newcastle / PlymouthPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:01 pm ---- Just call it how i see it.
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