#1: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: whits87, Location: NottinghamshirePosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:00 pm ---- might be a daft question but what is the difference between the 137bhp Gti engine an the 180BHP version? and is there any chance in tweeking mine to get 180 bhp ot of it?
Thanks guys
#2: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: meady, Location: basingstokePosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:07 pm ---- I aint got a clue bt have u bin on here since 5 in the mrnin
#3: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: spike_202, Location: West midsPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:03 am ---- alot and you could buy j 180 for the price of the mods, try a search as this is a FAQ.
#4: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:33 am ---- Yes you can tune the 138 to make 180 power because at the end of the day the 180 hasn't had anything special done to it. It's juts a tuned 138 at the end of the day.
#5: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:03 am ----
Edward wrote:
Yes you can tune the 138 to make 180 power because at the end of the day the 180 hasn't had anything special done to it. It's juts a tuned 138 at the end of the day.
I love your sarcasm Paul
For a moment then I thought you were serious!!
#6: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:40 am ---- is it actually the same enigne ive looked under a good few 180s and the engine looks completely different
#7: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:45 am ----
no_offences wrote:
is it actually the same enigne ive looked under a good few 180s and the engine looks completely different
The intake manifold, throttle body & exhaust manifold are visually different plus the engine cover.
#8: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:50 am ----
no_offences wrote:
is it actually the same enigne ive looked under a good few 180s and the engine looks completely different
Peugeot's bumpf ..
"It is a development of the EW10 engine found in the 206 GTi, 307, and 406 models. It is equipped with double overhaed camshafts and 16 valves. It is characterised by a unique cylinder head with modified intake and exhaust flow and a bespoke engine management system, making it the most powerful 4-cylinder engine of the current Peugeot generation (in 2003).
This specially developed engine features an intake camshaft that is equipped with a variable valve timing system (VVT). The variation takes place one degree at a time. The compact aluminium alloy engine block (AS5) has cast-iron cylinder liners inserted at the foundry, the crankshaft (manufactured from GS cast iron) has eight conterweights and is balanced to withstand the maximum engine speed of 7300 rpm without vibration"
... there's another 10 pages or so like this LOL
#9: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Jonny, Location: In the valley / next to woolworthsPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:04 am ---- lol
#10: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:17 am ----
Edward wrote:
Yes you can tune the 138 to make 180 power because at the end of the day the 180 hasn't had anything special done to it. It's juts a tuned 138 at the end of the day.
In reality there's only about 20bhp difference between the two at the start anyway!
#11: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:58 am ----
Seb wrote:
Edward wrote:
Yes you can tune the 138 to make 180 power because at the end of the day the 180 hasn't had anything special done to it. It's juts a tuned 138 at the end of the day.
In reality there's only about 20bhp difference between the two at the start anyway!
In reality, even with about 20bhp more, the 180 is totally different to drive. You can get an extra 20bhp with mods on a 138, but it won't be a 180 just by adding power
#12: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:47 am ---- 180s are totally different, and its not a huge amount bhp more but slap a remap on both and its a diffo story
#13: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: kieron, Location: in the housePosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:56 am ---- between my gti and kyles 180 is a different story it kills it after 2nd gear the 138 from what i read isnt very good for geting bhp from unless you start putting throttle bodies on and change the ecu as it isnt very good to be mapped
#14: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Jonny, Location: In the valley / next to woolworthsPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:16 am ---- Had a company car GTi 138 (Phase 1) and owned a GTi 180 for a year, Totally different experience, much more torque much more noise, handling above everything was a different league. (thicker anti roll bars, suspension etc...)
Plus there are the same amount of money for a decent one now (same age) about £3500 - £4000
Only bad point of course is insurance, mine cost £2100 to insure at 20 with 2 years NCB
Jonny
#15: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:44 am ----
no_offences wrote:
is it actually the same enigne ive looked under a good few 180s and the engine looks completely different
Thats only because the sump is different...
#16: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: whits87, Location: NottinghamshirePosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:21 am ---- wow!! i have started something now!! lol i have been told the 206 is quite a poor car with it being heavy but hey they are a nice drive i need to be getting looking into what bhp and what not
#17: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:24 am ----
whits87 wrote:
i have been told the 206 is quite a poor car with it being heavy
Heavy compared to what? A Citroen 2CV?
Well whoever told you that better buy every single Saxo and Peugeot 106 that's on sale because you won't get many lighter cars than the 206!
#18: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:26 am ---- Funnt how everybody is saying the 180 is in a different league but it didn't really get any great reviews...
#19: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:50 am ----
Edward wrote:
Funnt how everybody is saying the 180 is in a different league but it didn't really get any great reviews...
Well the standard cars feel completely different the Gti doesn't handle any were near the same as the 180 as for straight line power the gti will keep up through 1st and 2nd but when you hit 3rd in the 180...bye bye gti..then there are the better seats and trim in the 180 over the 140 all in all its a better car but you pay more for it. I would say it is defiantly in a different league to the Gti as a standard car.
#20: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:06 pm ---- Great review Rich
#21: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Seabook, Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:09 pm ---- yeah but who drive a standard car nowadays> lol
#22: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: lofty, Location: Near ManchesterPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:19 pm ---- I don't think there is a massive difference between the two but the 180 is of course the nicer out of the two models.
I think the ARB is only 2mm thicker on the 180 and then of course the VVT and exhaust system.
The trim on the 180 is a bit nicer with all the CC'd bits and spoiler as standard too.
One thing to remember is because it is virtually the same engine and the 180 is tuned a bit more, you have to rev it higher to get the full power compared to the 138. To me, that makes the 138 more drivable around town.
I'm not sure why you think a 206 is heavy though mate??
I still don't think a 180 warrants the extra money over a gti, hence why I bought a gti (the difference at the time was around 3 grand) BUT you can pick up a 180 now quite cheaply.
But a gti would be cheaper still......
#23: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:32 pm ----
lofty wrote:
I don't think there is a massive difference between the two but the 180 is of course the nicer out of the two models.
I think the ARB is only 2mm thicker on the 180 and then of course the VVT and exhaust system.
The trim on the 180 is a bit nicer with all the CC'd bits and spoiler as standard too.
One thing to remember is because it is virtually the same engine and the 180 is tuned a bit more, you have to rev it higher to get the full power compared to the 138. To me, that makes the 138 more drivable around town.
I'm not sure why you think a 206 is heavy though mate??
I still don't think a 180 warrants the extra money over a gti, hence why I bought a gti (the difference at the time was around 3 grand) BUT you can pick up a 180 now quite cheaply.
But a gti would be cheaper still......
Different gears, different steering, shorter gearlever, as well as everything else you've mentioned.
It is worth the extra - it is much more focussed, a real driving machine. It is the car the GTi 138 should have been - a car to replace the 205 GTi 1.9.
The GTi is ONLY a 206 with a 2-litre engine, the 180 is so much more (and I have owned both)
#24: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: lofty, Location: Near ManchesterPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:38 pm ---- I got bored of typing out differences but yeah I do agree with my Burberry clad friend above
The 180 is definately what the 138 should have been.
I guess it depends on how much you want to spend.
Much love
L
#25: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:41 pm ----
lofty wrote:
I got bored of typing out differences but yeah I do agree with my Burberry clad friend above
The 180 is definately what the 138 should have been.
I guess it depends on how much you want to spend.
Much love
L
#26: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Drake, Location: MidlandsPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:07 pm ---- The difference between them is.... I love the 180 because:
a: it's mine
b: all my mates called the 206 a girls car before they took a ride in mine
c: one of my mates is actually considering getting one because of it
d: I can drive it calmly and get almost 400 miles out of a tank (true story)
e: I can drive it like a knob and make a BMW 3 series look like more of a knob
f: It's nearly always underestimated (yes Mr Fiesta ST that was a 206 that made you look silly)
g: I think it's looks ace even before any visual mods
h: It sounds lovely and feels lovely to drive
Facts and figures are boring... But the above is just my opinion (and remember opinions are never wrong)
#27: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: lofty, Location: Near ManchesterPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:08 pm ----
Antix wrote:
lofty wrote:
I got bored of typing out differences but yeah I do agree with my Burberry clad friend above
The 180 is definately what the 138 should have been.
I guess it depends on how much you want to spend.
Much love
L
#28: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: LilLew, Location: PlymouthPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:46 am ----
Seabook wrote:
yeah but who drive a standard car nowadays> lol
Me
But then i have only had it a month and i have not had the more saved up for my remap yet
#29: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: LilLew, Location: PlymouthPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:48 am ----
Drake wrote:
The difference between them is.... I love the 180 because:
a: it's mine b: all my mates called the 206 a girls car before they took a ride in mine
c: one of my mates is actually considering getting one because of it
d: I can drive it calmly and get almost 400 miles out of a tank (true story)
e: I can drive it like a knob and make a BMW 3 series look like more of a knob
f: It's nearly always underestimated (yes Mr Fiesta ST that was a 206 that made you look silly)
g: I think it's looks ace even before any visual mods
h: It sounds lovely and feels lovely to drive
Facts and figures are boring... But the above is just my opinion (and remember opinions are never wrong)
I second everything on the list especially the one in bold
all my m8s go haha you got a hairdressers car my reply well ill take you around the block and then there views are omg its got load of power.
#30: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:08 am ----
Antix wrote:
The GTi is ONLY a 206 with a 2-litre engine
So is the 180, it's got all the same shortcomings too...
#31: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:23 am ----
Edward wrote:
Antix wrote:
The GTi is ONLY a 206 with a 2-litre engine
So is the 180, it's got all the same shortcomings too...
#32: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:53 am ---- You're the one with the cabrio....
#33: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:54 am ----
Edward wrote:
You're the one with the cabrio....
#34: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:59 am ----
Antix wrote:
Edward wrote:
You're the one with the cabrio....
#35: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Ali_H, Location: Chichester, SussexPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:00 am ---- I did actually just LOL at that. When did you a get a hairdressermobile Ant?
I've seen quite a few good reviews for the 180, even Clarkson liked it as I remember. Not that I pay much attention to what he says anyway.
#36: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:06 am ----
Ali_H wrote:
I did actually just LOL at that. When did you a get a hairdressermobile Ant?
Don't YOU start ALAN!
I saw it at PugFest 2010, and bought it 2 weeks later lol
#37: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: whits87, Location: NottinghamshirePosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:39 am ---- lol well i never expected this amount of interest lol i thought they was heavy because my friend had a 1.6 and he said it was the worse car he has had lol he is a bit of a d*ck though... remember mine isnt on the road yet so i have not had a chance to see how they really drive yet i know it felt better than my 106 diesel and that was when it was getting towed lol thanks for all you replys though guys
#38: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:44 pm ---- 180 is realy good car. Only i hate electronic butterfly (DBW) system. And I cant disactivate ASR when ESP enable. Both disable or enable.
#39: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:07 am ----
Edward wrote:
You're the one with the cabrio....
Ironic, isn't it
#40: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Danny., Location: PeterboroughPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:32 am ---- And after all this your brought a GT
#41: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: wardie_206, Location: Rayleigh, essexPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:58 am ----
Antix wrote:
Edward wrote:
Antix wrote:
The GTi is ONLY a 206 with a 2-litre engine
So is the 180, it's got all the same shortcomings too...
lmao!!
another great emoticon ant lol!!
#42: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Jay794, Location: Sheffield/Chesterfield/DronfieldPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:30 pm ---- Rear bumpers are different, the 138 doesn't have the exhaust trim. I think the interior is different too
#43: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:32 pm ---- The CC and SW has the 2liter as well
#44: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: vanman_foci, Location: Barry, South WalesPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:35 pm ----
Lee wrote:
The CC and SW has the 2liter as well
SW is rare as f*** though! called an Si
#45: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Jay794, Location: Sheffield/Chesterfield/DronfieldPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:40 pm ---- Isn't the SW/Si just the estate model?
#46: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:41 pm ---- Plus the 2.0HDi is also a 2litre
#47: Re: whats the difference between the 180 and GTi? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:03 pm ---- I'd like an SW Si....One of those with my TB'd engine in it...
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