#1: Oil Cooler Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:29 pm ---- Is there a point?
At one point is one needed? Is there any gains and benifits? (Apart from cooler oil!)
#2: Re: Oil Cooler Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:31 pm ---- Id say when the oil is strained to too high temperature, Ie, track days, when the engine gets abused, and needs the oil to an extent to be coolish to maintain its performance.
#3: Re: Oil Cooler Author: M60SHW, Location: CarlislePosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:34 pm ---- am i right in thinking the hotter the oil the thiner it becomes and less effective at protecting the engine??
Id say when the oil is strained to too high temperature, Ie, track days, when the engine gets abused, and needs the oil to an extent to be coolish to maintain its performance.
Would it need one (or be beneficial) on a mapped and intercooled Diesel (with upped boost) which may be driven hard every now and then?
#5: Re: Oil Cooler Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:45 pm ---- You can get ones that are thermostat controlled, So in theory wont work untill you do drive it hard and the oil reaching a certain temp will activate, and cooling the oil back to below the setting then it shuts down again.
I think it would be benificial, but i think its down to personal preference.
#6: Re: Oil Cooler Author: NorthantsBen, Location: Raunds, NorthamptonshirePosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:59 pm ---- I have an oil cooler
uses the water some how as astras oil cooler fails sometimes and oil mixes with the water.
#7: Re: Oil Cooler Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:10 am ---- Do diesels ever get hot enough to cook the oil?
#8: Re: Oil Cooler Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:03 am ---- WV new 1.6 tdi engines is cooking oil In normal usage 105c. Heavy usage 115-120. :S
#9: Re: Oil Cooler Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:29 am ----
Edward wrote:
Do diesels ever get hot enough to cook the oil?
At what temp is it classed as 'cooking'
#10: Re: Oil Cooler Author: Lodey, Location: Penzance & Falmouth CornwallPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:11 am ---- if you have oil temp and gauges fitted, you can notice that the increase in the temp, does mean thinner oil, and thus reducing the pressure of the oil, but again is it vital on a HDI?
#11: Re: Oil Cooler Author: Ape, Location: Clipping the Apex!Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:15 am ---- My LCR has one as standard but it uses the coolant to cool it, not as efficient as an air cooler. I'm looking at a Thermostat controlled sandwich plate and cooler setup to keep my oil temps down on track as it normally rises above 130*c which means I have to change it after every track day.
Anything you do to keep engine temperatures to a minimum is worth doing in my eyes.
#12: Re: Oil Cooler Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:16 am ----
Lodey wrote:
if you have oil temp and gauges fitted, you can notice that the increase in the temp, does mean thinner oil, and thus reducing the pressure of the oil, but again is it vital on a HDI?
My point exactly, I don't fancy a hole being blown through the side of the block or anything like that, yet it won't be anymore than 160bhp (yet) so is it even worth considering until I decide to go that bit further?
#13: Re: Oil Cooler Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:17 am ----
Ape wrote:
My LCR has one as standard but it uses the coolant to cool it, not as efficient as an air cooler. I'm looking at a Thermostat controlled sandwich plate and cooler setup to keep my oil temps down on track as it normally rises above 130*c which means I have to change it after every track day.
Anything you do to keep engine temperatures to a minimum is worth doing in my eyes.
Spot on! Now to work out how to fit one.
#14: Re: Oil Cooler Author: Lodey, Location: Penzance & Falmouth CornwallPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:19 am ----
Ape wrote:
My LCR has one as standard but it uses the coolant to cool it, not as efficient as an air cooler. I'm looking at a Thermostat controlled sandwich plate and cooler setup to keep my oil temps down on track as it normally rises above 130*c which means I have to change it after every track day.
Anything you do to keep engine temperatures to a minimum is worth doing in my eyes.
WOW i can reach 110*c with mine after some seriously hard driving, and i have been shopping round for some Mocal coolers, but its just funds
#15: Re: Oil Cooler Author: Ape, Location: Clipping the Apex!Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:26 am ---- It can be done for about £150 if you know where to look for stuff. It's something I'll be doing soon, 2 oil coolers lol. I'd remove the stock one but it's too much hassle with the plumbing.
You'll need:
Thermostat Sandwich Plate
Oil Cooler Feed Line
Oil Cooler Return Line
Oil Cooler
fixtures and fittings (connectors, brackets etc).
I'll be fitting mine behind the "S" Badge so it gets a good blast of air and a helping from the 2 Rad Fans when they fire up too
#16: Re: Oil Cooler Author: Lodey, Location: Penzance & Falmouth CornwallPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:32 am ---- You may have to share some info on where to buy parts there's a guy on cupra.net with it mounted behind there, with it just viable behind the slat below the badge grill on the R bumper, looks smart as hell
#17: Re: Oil Cooler Author: Ape, Location: Clipping the Apex!Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:45 am ---- Aye, that's where the idea came from. It will hide the engraved Forge FMIC as well
On a 206 however, anywhere in the front grille will be adequate I'd imagine
#18: Re: Oil Cooler Author: Lodey, Location: Penzance & Falmouth CornwallPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:48 am ----
Ape wrote:
Aye, that's where the idea came from. It will hide the engraved Forge FMIC as well
On a 206 however, anywhere in the front grille will be adequate I'd imagine
on a 206 i would be tempted to put it behind the upper grilles, would look cool i would think
Need to find a Twin pass intercooler for mine,
#19: Re: Oil Cooler Author: twed207, Location: borders, near carlisle.Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:04 am ----
Lodey wrote:
Ape wrote:
Aye, that's where the idea came from. It will hide the engraved Forge FMIC as well
On a 206 however, anywhere in the front grille will be adequate I'd imagine
on a 206 i would be tempted to put it behind the upper grilles, would look cool i would think
Need to find a Twin pass intercooler for mine,
seat sport one?
#20: Re: Oil Cooler Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:19 am ----
Ape wrote:
Anything you do to keep engine temperatures to a minimum is worth doing in my eyes.
That's suggesting get rid of as much heat as possible. Overcooling the oil is very undesirable.
Lodey wrote:
on a 206 i would be tempted to put it behind the upper grilles, would look cool i would think
But you wouldn't be able to see it....
#21: Re: Oil Cooler Author: Ape, Location: Clipping the Apex!Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:44 am ----
Edward wrote:
Ape wrote:
Anything you do to keep engine temperatures to a minimum is worth doing in my eyes.
That's suggesting get rid of as much heat as possible. Overcooling the oil is very undesirable.
Thats why you use a sandwich plate with a thermostat in it (as mentioned) to prevent over cooling.
#22: Re: Oil Cooler Author: LeeMaddern, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:49 am ---- Has anybody fitted one to there 180 yet ?
#23: Re: Oil Cooler Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:49 am ---- You kind of have one on the 180 already.
#24: Re: Oil Cooler Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:18 pm ---- Im fitting one for the conversion for my 1.4, pretty p**s easy tbh
You just need to calculate the flow of oil from the pump (check the pump is within tolerences and pushing out what it should) and this should allow you to find which one will be suitable for your needs.
To large and the pump cant cope = starvation. To small = Oil burns/thins
#25: Re: Oil Cooler Author: D4NTP, Location: Not Leeds or its surrounding areas!Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:29 pm ---- Considered fitting one but it never gets near the red and i use 10w60 millers race oil so the high temp wont thin the oil that much anyway. I'd go for better oil rather than a cooler.
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