#1: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Cai-206, Location: Tenby, PembrokeshirePosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:52 pm ---- Basicly my car corners like a boat! Its an 06 verve model, 1.4L petrol (if that makes a difference?)
I would like to know what things can be done to improve this. I'm far from rich so I would like to know how much of an improvement each upgrade would make to the car, and how much it would cost. A sort of price to improvement ratio would be nice
I want to spend the least that I can whilst still getting a noticeable improvement. So fire away with your suggestions please..
#2: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: =ZiAn=, Location: SloveniaPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:55 pm ---- Change the springs and shock absorbers & the rear ARB for a GTi180 one, that would be the first few things to do. Just don't drop it right on it's a**e as then it will corner and look like a boat
#3: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Cai-206, Location: Tenby, PembrokeshirePosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:09 pm ---- I'm new to all of this man. Whats an ARB? And do you have to change both the springs and shocks at the same time?
#4: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Dave, Location: BirminghamPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:12 pm ---- Adjust the torsion bar, (Get a garage to do this if you have no idea)
Bilstein Dampers all round, Eibach Sportline springs. Amazing set up.
You can just have springs (I again recommend Eibach sportlines), and then change the dampers at a later date, but i would do it all at once if i were you.
#5: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Cai-206, Location: Tenby, PembrokeshirePosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:17 pm ---- Okay, I'll change them all at once. And I'll be getting a garage to fit everything.
Which online shop would sell these Eibach springs and Bilstein Dampers for a good price??
#6: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Dave, Location: BirminghamPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:21 pm ---- www.kamracing.co.uk/in...n-kit.html
#7: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:33 pm ---- coil overs would be a cheaper option while still providing a decent improvment
#8: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Dave, Location: BirminghamPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:37 pm ----
Rob2859 wrote:
coil overs would be a cheaper option while still providing a decent improvment
Speaking from Experience? Which ones have you got?
I found a friends 206 on coilovers was a horrible drive.
#9: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:07 pm ----
Rob2859 wrote:
coil overs would be a cheaper option while still providing a decent improvment
Coilovers? What coilovers? Cheap and nasty ones?
#10: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:17 pm ---- I'd only get coilovers if either, they didn't offer any other alternatives for that type of car, or being adjustable you were actually going to adjust them (a track car for instance). A decent shock + spring combo does great on a road car.
#11: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: ReeVo, Location: HullPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:45 pm ---- Strut brace
#12: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:49 pm ---- Strut brace does next to nothing on a modern car with a rigid bodyshell like the 206 has.
#13: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:56 pm ----
Edward wrote:
Strut brace does next to nothing on a modern car with a rigid bodyshell like the 206 has.
Especially as the struts are also quite close together on a 206.
#14: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: DJ-, Location: UKPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:58 pm ---- Does it really handle badly? My standard XS handles brilliantly, easy to chuck into corners and it sticks!
Do you have aftermarket alloys?
#15: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Dave, Location: BirminghamPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:40 pm ----
DJ-XS wrote:
Does it really handle badly? My standard XS handles brilliantly, easy to chuck into corners and it sticks!
Do you have aftermarket alloys?
The difference between the standard set up in my old 1.4 8v and the Bilstein/Eibach set up was immense and would recommend it to anyone!
#16: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: st3v3n, Location: Liverpool Drives: 206 GTiPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:28 pm ---- Before spending loads of money on stuff like dampers and springs get the basics sorted. The 206 is a great handling car from standard so first get yourself a decent set of tyres. The same ones all round. Ensure they are inflated to the correct pressure. get your tracking done. get your rear beam checked for wear in the stub axles for the trailing arms. check there are no worn components like top mounts or track rod ends. check all your dampers are working correctly
If all these are done you will have a far better handling and safer car than throwing away money on aftermarket stuff.
#17: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:52 pm ----
Dave wrote:
Rob2859 wrote:
coil overs would be a cheaper option while still providing a decent improvment
Speaking from Experience? Which ones have you got?
I found a friends 206 on coilovers was a horrible drive.
I don't have any. My mate has some on his corsa which make a big difference. although it is a corsa.
Would have thought coilovers would make an improvment on a 206. like he said he was on a small budjet so they could be an option. Although I am aware uprated springs and shocks are a much better setup than coilies.
#18: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: meady, Location: basingstokePosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:22 am ---- get it lowerd bt not 2 much as tht cn make it handle like a boat, beter tyres gti 180 arb there quite a few things realy
#19: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:44 am ----
DJ-XS wrote:
Does it really handle badly? My standard XS handles brilliantly, easy to chuck into corners and it sticks!
Do you have aftermarket alloys?
The difference between most standard and modified cars with properly done handling upgrades is massive, you probably won't know it until you try it.
#20: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: DJ-, Location: UKPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:50 am ---- Oh I understand what you and Dave are saying but the OP makes it sounds like its horrible standard, which im puzzled at as I dont find it bad enough that makes me want to upgrade any parts.
#21: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: pete_206, Location: Ash, SurreyPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:54 am ---- Lower it sensibly (my personal preference for ride quality is only 30mm front, 20-25mm rear, plus on anything that isn't a Gti I don't see the point in making it look overly showy)
And get some wide tyres. I can't tell whether my 195's or current 205's are better... but either way both are farrr better then riding on the diddy lil 14" wheels! The difference in grip is like a dream when you give her a good pumpin'
Also, don't bother with overly expensive stuff unless you have a car that needs it. I've been riding on Gmax sus all round for nearly two years now and haven't been able to fault it once. The ride quality will be improved significantly by just dropping it a little bit and getting wider tyres. I know what its like to be on a budget!
#22: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Cai-206, Location: Tenby, PembrokeshirePosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:11 pm ----
DJ-XS wrote:
the OP makes it sounds like its horrible standard, which im puzzled at as I dont find it bad enough that makes me want to upgrade any parts.
It goes where I want it too, it just sways really badly especially at speed. Like going round a round about its just ridiculous! The second you begin to turn the whole car leans massively to the outer edge of the corner, the suspension just seems way too soft!!
So unlike you I see every reason to upgrade the way this car handles..
#23: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:16 pm ---- check my for sale thread, my old koni sports dampers are still avalible
#24: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: JordGJ, Location: Leeds / West MidlandsPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:17 pm ---- lower it on springs and shocks like dave said, will look better and be a lot stiffer so you won't get the body roll that you don't like
i have coilovers myself but everyone seems against them! I love the hard ride (not on bumps obviously) and i'm a bit anal about my car so tweaking it up and down until its perfect is good for me
#25: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Cai-206, Location: Tenby, PembrokeshirePosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 5:04 pm ---- What do people think of this?? www.kamracing.co.uk/in...-50mm.html
Spax PSX suspension kit (50mm)..
#26: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Dave, Location: BirminghamPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 5:35 pm ---- It is a harder ride than the bilstein/eibach set up. PM Ape as he used to run this iirc on his 206
#27: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:58 am ---- Ape was too tight fisted to put Bilsteins on his car.
#28: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Cai-206, Location: Tenby, PembrokeshirePosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:40 am ---- Thats what I'm after really, I fancy quite a stiff set up. Ride comfort isn't as important as preformance I guess
I'll PM Ape now, as anybody else used these? Are they prone to breaking or are they reliable??
#29: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:58 am ---- I can do you Vmaxx coilovers for £260 delivered.... had some good feedback about them... Meady on here has a set
#30: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Cai-206, Location: Tenby, PembrokeshirePosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:00 am ---- Whats the advantage/disadvantage of coilovers compared to a shock and spring set up?
#31: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:02 am ---- You can alter the height with coilovers... If you want to drop it for track and raise it back up for street... handy if you have speed bumps locally
#32: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:03 am ----
Cai-206 wrote:
Whats the advantage/disadvantage of coilovers compared to a shock and spring set up?
a decent coilover set has no disadvantage compare to shock+spring setup.
#33: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Cai-206, Location: Tenby, PembrokeshirePosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:07 am ---- Cool, are these Vmaxx coilovers any good? I take it these just go on the front and I get the torsion bars adjusted on the rear, yes?
#34: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:09 am ---- Thats it... here is a bit of reading
#35: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Cai-206, Location: Tenby, PembrokeshirePosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:29 am ---- So how do you adjust them dude? By hand or is there a tool?
#36: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:34 am ---- They come with a "C" spanner for adjustment
#37: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:34 am ---- just by spinning the lower spring seat up or down to sdjust the height
#38: Re: What can be done too improve handeling?? Author: Ape, Location: Clipping the Apex!Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:52 am ----
Edward wrote:
Ape was too tight fisted to put Bilsteins on his car.
Or maybe my circumstances at the time didn't give me much choice...
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Especially as the struts are also quite close together on a 206.
