Standart 206 RC (GTI180) make 174-177 hp as standart.
The RC's make 174-177 as standard but for some reason the 180 makes less. Someone told me it was detuned for the UK market, not sure how true that is though.
#32: Re: GTI 180 Dyno Results Question Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:01 am ---- BMW M series is detuned in Turkey market. Reason is bad quailty gas. Some company detune cars for wheather conditions, gas quality, ex. reasons.
#33: Re: GTI 180 Dyno Results Question Author: simpsonrc, Location: coventryPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:25 am ---- my rc made 176 bhp
#34: Re: GTI 180 Dyno Results Question Author: JamieM, Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:51 pm ---- I heard the earlier 180's made near true figres and then were detuned due to clutch issues, pretty sure back in 2007 there was a thread on here on it, god knows where else I would have got it from.
I had a Scorpion catback, angel tuning generic map, Simota CAIS fitted by Angel tuning, my own kit imported at the time (probably can buy them willy nilly now though lol), & some denso irridium plugs from memory, and although I never had it on the RR it definitely felt ALOT more responsive, used to rape Type R's for shits and giggles.
#35: Re: GTI 180 Dyno Results Question Author: gti180boy, Location: StaffordPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:43 am ----
Schumi wrote:
Standart 206 RC (GTI180) make 174-177 hp as standart.
All 206 rc make more power than the english version ( GTI 180 ) over here.
I belive down to having a different map and that as standed.
And mine made a 195.5 bhp @ fly wheel and 166bhp @ wheel
kyle
#36: Re: GTI 180 Dyno Results Question Author: Icetto, Location: Cape TownPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:31 am ---- Damn I think in SA we also got detuned GTi 180. We can only get 95 octane at the pump and our fuel is kak.
I'm making 179bhp and 210Nm on the fly on 95 octane. I got induction kit and de-cat free flow exhaust
#37: Re: GTI 180 Dyno Results Question Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:33 am ---- You don't really know if they are de-tuned or not, until they are all put on the same RR
#38: Re: GTI 180 Dyno Results Question Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:44 am ---- The low torque reading leans me towards the VVT.... woth getting that checked first.... GTi180boy could lend an ear on this matter me thinks
#39: Re: GTI 180 Dyno Results Question Author: Icetto, Location: Cape TownPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:54 am ---- True Lee. I picked one dyno and only go to that dyno to measure progress of my car
#40: Re: GTI 180 Dyno Results Question Author: thelegacy, Location: LondonPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:57 pm ---- Just my 2p on this...
Most GTi 180's make around 160-165bhp because the manufacturers make use of homologated engines and the respective allowances that are made through regulations (which I believe to be at 10%). So in reality, a 174bhp rated engine needs to make at least 157bhp at the fly.
Manufacturers are, of course, more than willing to exploit these regulations and the Clio is another prime example of this occurring. While rated at 176bhp, they make around the same bhp on a RR as the 180.
Whereas N/A engines make their power through a build up of rotation (revs), forced induction engines make their power through a high torque band. Consequently, it is much more likely for forced induction cars to, in most cases, exceed their rated power output. This is why most forced induction cars make their rated power or more.
Oh and the 140lb/ft torque is pretty normal on an aftermarket exhaust - you need a remap to exploit the benefits of better breathing for more torque.
Good luck and enjoy your ride!
#41: Re: GTI 180 Dyno Results Question Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:04 pm ----
thelegacy wrote:
Whereas N/A engines make their power through a build up of rotation (revs), forced induction engines make their power through a high torque band.
N/A make power through revs yet F/I engines make power through high torque?
They both make power and torque in the same way, one just has stronger torque in the mid range than the other.
#42: Re: GTI 180 Dyno Results Question Author: thelegacy, Location: LondonPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:07 pm ----
Edward wrote:
thelegacy wrote:
Whereas N/A engines make their power through a build up of rotation (revs), forced induction engines make their power through a high torque band.
N/A make power through revs yet F/I engines make power through high torque?
They both make power and torque in the same way, one just has stronger torque in the mid range than the other.
Isn't it that consistency in torque through forced air that achieves the consistent power output compared to an N/A which relies on normal breathing?
And they don't make power in the same way as the FI doesn't need to spin as fast to achieve the peak power output that is comparable to the N/A (using like for like capacity...)
#43: Re: GTI 180 Dyno Results Question Author: thelegacy, Location: LondonPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:10 pm ----
macj wrote:
The low torque reading leans me towards the VVT.... woth getting that checked first.... GTi180boy could lend an ear on this matter me thinks
I second this motion btw...after my remap and induction, I lost a lot of oil and the VVT solenoid was stuck in the upper position making me lose torque in the lower rev range.
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