#1: Serious starting issues! Author: dannyboiii, Location: WillenhallPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:13 am ---- Hi guys.
Jus recently the car has become a pain in the a**e to start!
Usually first thing in the morning or if i havent been driving it for a couple of hours it is a nightmare! It starts but then stalls. The only way i can get it to start is by holding down the accelerator pedal for around 5 minutes, after this i can turn the car on and off as many times as i like at it wont stall.
I had new plugs installed about 2 months ago and have flushed and changed oil since the problems started. Any ideas guys? thanks in advance !
#2: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: Ash, Location: Running from Ant and Lee and Adam...........Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:36 am ---- Try cleaning the idle control valve/stepper motor.
If that doesn't help, post back.
#3: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: apjs87, Location: PlymouthPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:38 am ---- what spark plugs did you use?? had the battery tested?
#4: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: dannyboiii, Location: WillenhallPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:42 am ---- hi mate, cant remember which plugs were used, they were the right ones for the car though, also i dont think its plugs as the car drives fine once started. Havent had the battery tested as i can sit with the ignition on and use the cd player and its also turning over, just stalling right after.
Someone told me to try the thermostat?
#5: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: Ash, Location: Running from Ant and Lee and Adam...........Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:43 am ----
dannyboiii wrote:
hi mate, cant remember which plugs were used, they were the right ones for the car though, also i dont think its plugs as the car drives fine once started. Havent had the battery tested as i can sit with the ignition on and use the cd player and its also turning over, just stalling right after.
Someone told me to try the thermostat?
That relates to the cooling system. Wouldn't make a difference.
#6: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:43 am ---- As said, clean the ICV (Idle control valve) if problem persists, replace it.
#7: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: dannyboiii, Location: WillenhallPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:46 am ---- Sorry to be a bit of a noob but where exactly is the ICV ? back of the throttle housing?
#8: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:48 am ---- A Haynes manual will tell you, best £15 you'll ever spend
(I'm not very familiar with the 1.4 8v)
#9: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: Ash, Location: Running from Ant and Lee and Adam...........Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:49 am ----
dannyboiii wrote:
Sorry to be a bit of a noob but where exactly is the ICV ? back of the throttle housing?
#10: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: dannyboiii, Location: WillenhallPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:33 am ---- Cant actually access the screws connecting the motor so gonna leave it there guys, gonna book it in with my mechanic tomorrow and will let you know whats what.
thanks for all the suggestions.
#11: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: Timon2210, Location: PalestinePosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:03 am ---- Will I think that what can cause this beside what guys said,you need to check your fuel pump pressure,because if it's weak,then the car will stall,so check your fuel filter,it get clogged with time,and effect the car starting.
#12: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: Ash, Location: Running from Ant and Lee and Adam...........Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:03 am ---- Is it a starting issue or is it more it not being able to keep its idle?
#13: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: LilLew, Location: PlymouthPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:19 am ---- try diconnecting your lambda sensor and then try and start it
Is it a starting issue or is it more it not being able to keep its idle?
from what he said,i get it that he got a starting issue,because he says it drive fine after he manage to start it
#15: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: dannyboiii, Location: WillenhallPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:36 am ---- hey guys, since my last post i have bought and fitted a new fuel/petrol filter and also cleaned the idle control valve. Also filled the tank and used a bottle of STP fuel injector cleaner. It seems to be getting worse as is the weather. Ive figured that if when it turns over i floor the revs (waking everyone up within the next few blocks) then it wont stall.If i try to start it without hitting the accelerator it stalls. As ive said before this is only usualy first thing in a morning or if i havent driven it for a few hours. Once i get it started i dont have any problems. Also had diagnostic checks on it and found nothing, friend on mine suggested changing the throttlebody? Im stuck guys =/
#16: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: LilLew, Location: PlymouthPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:58 am ----
dannyboiii wrote:
hey guys, since my last post i have bought and fitted a new fuel/petrol filter and also cleaned the idle control valve. Also filled the tank and used a bottle of STP fuel injector cleaner. It seems to be getting worse as is the weather. Ive figured that if when it turns over i floor the revs (waking everyone up within the next few blocks) then it wont stall.If i try to start it without hitting the accelerator it stalls. As ive said before this is only usualy first thing in a morning or if i havent driven it for a few hours. Once i get it started i dont have any problems. Also had diagnostic checks on it and found nothing, friend on mine suggested changing the throttlebody? Im stuck guys =/
Have you tryed disconnecting your lambda sensor i had exactly the same thing happen on my corsa
#17: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: dannyboiii, Location: WillenhallPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:23 am ---- Tbh mate I'm not sure where the lambda sensor is lol can't find it in the Haynes manual.
#18: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: dannyboiii, Location: WillenhallPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:25 am ---- Nevermind dude I found it, oxygen sensor
#19: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: dannyboiii, Location: WillenhallPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:39 am ---- Gotta wait for the engine to cool before i can try the lambda sensor, also gave peugeot a call, said it sounds like it could possibly be the starter motor but they will give me a call back in a while.
#20: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:40 am ---- replace your engine temp sensor. Especially if you have found your temp guage not showing correct reading lately. It may be that it is not fuelling your car on cold start properly and this is detected by the ETS. Worth a shot
#21: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: dannyboiii, Location: WillenhallPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:30 pm ---- Hi guys, I've tried disconnecting the lambda sensor and no luck, got a new ETS to try and if that don't work gonna go get it plugged in somewhere n see if it throws up any codes :/ really annoying me now!
#22: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 3:34 pm ---- Are you using NGK spark plugs?
#23: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: dannyboiii, Location: WillenhallPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:03 am ----
tomd0801754 wrote:
Are you using NGK spark plugs?
I cant remember the name when i put them in but i think they are tbh, why?
#24: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: Danny., Location: PeterboroughPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:10 am ----
dannyboiii wrote:
tomd0801754 wrote:
Are you using NGK spark plugs?
I cant remember the name when i put them in but i think they are tbh, why?
206 dont like NGK Spark plus can cause problems to the Engine. Swap them out for Bocsh ones
#25: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: dannyboiii, Location: WillenhallPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:22 am ----
Danny224 wrote:
dannyboiii wrote:
tomd0801754 wrote:
Are you using NGK spark plugs?
I cant remember the name when i put them in but i think they are tbh, why?
206 dont like NGK Spark plus can cause problems to the Engine. Swap them out for Bocsh ones
Oh right, but would that not cause missfires? and could it be causing my starting problem?
#26: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: Danny., Location: PeterboroughPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:57 am ----
dannyboiii wrote:
Danny224 wrote:
dannyboiii wrote:
tomd0801754 wrote:
Are you using NGK spark plugs?
I cant remember the name when i put them in but i think they are tbh, why?
206 dont like NGK Spark plus can cause problems to the Engine. Swap them out for Bocsh ones
Oh right, but would that not cause missfires? and could it be causing my starting problem?
Not sure mate. But its a cheap fix they're about £3 each £12 and it could fix it
#27: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: Kersh, Location: Bridgnorth, Nr WolverhamptonPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:25 am ----
Danny224 wrote:
dannyboiii wrote:
Danny224 wrote:
dannyboiii wrote:
tomd0801754 wrote:
Are you using NGK spark plugs?
I cant remember the name when i put them in but i think they are tbh, why?
206 dont like NGK Spark plus can cause problems to the Engine. Swap them out for Bocsh ones
Oh right, but would that not cause missfires? and could it be causing my starting problem?
Not sure mate. But its a cheap fix they're about £3 each £12 and it could fix it
not sure if that will work mate, ive got v similar problems and im running super 4's
(FYI if youve got the same problem as me its not sparks, coilpack, MAP sensor or a dirty ICV.. i found out the expensive way ha)
mechanic that checked it over first time said he had a diagnostic scan done and said it gave a few codes but he "cleared them" no idea what codes they were though so was thinking about taking it to have it done myself so i can see these codes.
#31: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: AusScare, Location: Brisbane, AustraliaPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:27 am ---- My car was doing this, turned out to be the fuel pump.
However I am still having intermittent start problems, just long turnovers, so I might ditch my NGK spark plugs and get some bocsh ones.
#32: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: dannyboiii, Location: WillenhallPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:20 am ---- I've already changed the fuel pump, cleaned the Idle Control Valve, oil change, filters changed, new plugs (NGK). my mechanic said he ran a diagnostic on it and "cleared" some codes and now he thinks it could be the throttlebody, dont know if hes guessing or not though, cant afford to throw cash at it if its not gonna fix it.
#33: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:51 am ----
dannyboiii wrote:
Lee wrote:
You had a diagnostic scan?
mechanic that checked it over first time said he had a diagnostic scan done and said it gave a few codes but he "cleared them" no idea what codes they were though so was thinking about taking it to have it done myself so i can see these codes.
Clearing the fault, doesn't fix the problem.
The problem needs to be fixed then the fault will be cleared.
You need a scan really and then that will help you narrow down the problem.
#34: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: dannyboiii, Location: WillenhallPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:38 am ----
Lee wrote:
dannyboiii wrote:
Lee wrote:
You had a diagnostic scan?
mechanic that checked it over first time said he had a diagnostic scan done and said it gave a few codes but he "cleared them" no idea what codes they were though so was thinking about taking it to have it done myself so i can see these codes.
Clearing the fault, doesn't fix the problem.
The problem needs to be fixed then the fault will be cleared.
You need a scan really and then that will help you narrow down the problem.
indeed, thats the plan of action for tomorrow, got my MOT this month too
#35: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:34 pm ---- Did you change the ETS
not yet mate, changing it sunday, then a diagnostic test on it monday
#37: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: dannyboiii, Location: WillenhallPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:49 am ---- Changed the ETS and no success so booking in for diagnostic test
#38: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: retta, Location: leedstown, cornwallPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:17 am ---- I'm having exactly the same problem with mine first thing in the morning, when the weather gets cold like now, on an 01 1400 8v too - having to rev it to keep it from stalling, but when it's started up properly it's better (apart from a flat spot when changing into 5th gear a few mins down the road, seems to lose speed/revs a bit for some reason..then it's ok again a min or two later..)
#39: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: wayne, Location: solihullPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:22 pm ---- i have the same problem with my 206 and it drinks petrol some one help. i have spent loads of cash. should have bought a new engine.
#40: Re: Serious starting issues! Author: wayne, Location: solihullPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:10 am ---- as anyone fixed this yet????????????
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