#136: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:12 am ---- You wouldn't want to put throttle bodies on an 04 plate GTi...would have to change the pedal set up for one that can pull a cable as they come with motorised throttle body.
#137: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:01 am ---- Pedal Conversion?
#138: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lee., Location: Blackwood, South WalesPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:09 am ---- Out of curiosity, how much are throttle bodies all in (inc fitting etc) and what sort of gains do you get? What power you pushing Edward?
#139: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: kieron, Location: in the housePosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:21 am ----
Mattie-VTs wrote:
Pedal Conversion?
FBW the 180 are aposed to cable on 138
#140: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:39 am ----
lofty wrote:
I still say there is a big price difference. Gti's were in production much longer than the 180 and so why not compare an average ages 138 to an average aged 180?
Come on lofty, get your head out of the clouds, grow a pair & admit your wrong!!
#141: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:14 am ----
Lee. wrote:
Out of curiosity, how much are throttle bodies all in (inc fitting etc) and what sort of gains do you get? What power you pushing Edward?
Ecosse claimed the car is putting out 214bhp.
You can probably get TB's with a mainstream ECU (Omex, Emerald etc) fitted and mapped for about £2,500. I've put about £7k into mine with all the various new parts such as the exhaust and manifold, carbon airbox, cams, verniers, engine mounts, Longman head, hydraulic lifters and rewiring the car and all the wiring components required to do that.
kieron206gti wrote:
FBW the 180 are aposed to cable on 138
Later 138's with traction control also have a FBW set up
#142: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lee., Location: Blackwood, South WalesPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:24 am ---- So you've seen an increase of 76bhp? That's pretty good going! So what your saying is that the same parts in a 180 wouldn't have the same benefits?
#143: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:41 am ---- You can fit the exact parts and the result would be the same...but you'd have spent more because the 180 costs more to start with.
#144: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Lee., Location: Blackwood, South WalesPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:45 am ---- But wouldn't the initial outlay of a couple of hundred quid (for a newer car) be worth it considering you'd have the colourcoding, interior etc?
#145: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Seabook, Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:16 am ----
Lee. wrote:
But wouldn't the initial outlay of a couple of hundred quid (for a newer car) be worth it considering you'd have the colourcoding, interior etc?
it depends on what are you going to do with your car
if is was a track car or rally car then...
#146: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:24 am ----
Edward wrote:
You can fit the exact parts and the result would be the same...but you'd have spent more because the 180 costs more to start with.
Surely the extra few quid you'd spend on a 180 with all the extras over the 138 would pale into insignificance when compared to the £7000 you've spent on upgrades?
#147: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:33 am ----
Edward wrote:
kieron206gti wrote:
FBW the 180 are aposed to cable on 138
Later 138's with traction control also have a FBW set up
Would converting from FBW to Cable affect the ESP then?
#148: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: kieron, Location: in the housePosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:40 am ----
Mattie-VTs wrote:
Edward wrote:
kieron206gti wrote:
FBW the 180 are aposed to cable on 138
Later 138's with traction control also have a FBW set up
Would converting from FBW to Cable affect the ESP then?
quote me if im wrong but im sure the ESP/TRACTION runs along the motorized throttle body so im guessing yes
from somthing i read when the wheels start to spin or loose grid it shuts the throttle down i may be wrong tho
#149: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:26 am ----
kieron206gti wrote:
Mattie-VTs wrote:
Edward wrote:
kieron206gti wrote:
FBW the 180 are aposed to cable on 138
Later 138's with traction control also have a FBW set up
Would converting from FBW to Cable affect the ESP then?
quote me if im wrong but im sure the ESP/TRACTION runs along the motorized throttle body so im guessing yes
from somthing i read when the wheels start to spin or loose grid it shuts the throttle down i may be wrong tho
This is what i need to know tbh,,
from experiance this week in the snow when the wheels spin the revs drop but not all the way then they splutter up and down,, i thought it may be ecu controling the rev limiter maybe.
#150: Re: GTI 138 VS GTI 180 Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:46 am ---- The ESP system will control the throttle & brakes.
Have a look at the Fifth gear test of ABS, TCS & ESP
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