#1: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: dmxking512, Location: LondonPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:36 pm ---- This has been driving me nuts,
Ive got a 2002 206SW HDi 2.0.
Every morning that i go to start it , it fails , Explained :
Glow plugs have been changed. , i wait for the glow plug light to go out , and the fuel pump to finish priming.
it will turn over for a good 2-3 mins not starting
BUT 1 tiny squirt of easy start and BANG it fires up no questions asked.
Im now at a loss as to what the problem could be. its only started doing it since its become cold.
Does the 206 Diesel have a cold start sensor that i dont know about?
Any help is much appreciated
#2: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: Antknee, Location: ManchesterPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:39 pm ---- have you tried shouting and screaming, and a swift kick? Since they are French they are quite emotional and need a bit of persuasion to do anything
#3: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: dmxking512, Location: LondonPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:42 pm ---- Yep , doesn't seem to like it to much though.
#4: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: Seabook, Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:44 pm ---- i think it is just too cold
mine yesterday took 3 attempts to get it started lol
#5: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: Antknee, Location: ManchesterPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:44 pm ---- ahh sorry, cant help any more than that! good luck with it, itll probably turn out to be something simple! always is
#6: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: dmxking512, Location: LondonPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:46 pm ---- Fingers crossed , ive just spent £40 on a new radiator for it. thanks for responding though
#7: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:47 pm ---- Try turning the ignition on an off three or four times before trying to fire it, waiting for the glow plug light to go out. Then try to fire her. See if that works
#8: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: dmxking512, Location: LondonPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:51 pm ---- Thanks for the tip il give that a try first thing in the morning. Cheers
#9: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: pedro_keil, Location: Sittingbourne, KentPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:20 pm ---- Usually the fuel should be heated enough to start before it gets the glow plugs, iirc the HDi only uses the glow plugs when its about -5 oC
Also using too much easy start could damage pistons (not that I've seen that before though) probably an old wives tale!!
But im sure it creates displacement of oil in the pistons and thus lower compression and then no cold start.
There is a fuel heater on the fuel pipe just in front of the injectors (in front of the most left hand one).
Its black and about 2"wide, 1" deep and 1.5" high with a (approx) 10mm pipe in and out of it, which could be tired.
It might be a compression issue or low fuel pressure at start though ???
I thought I had the same problem and done some research, until I found my alternator seized and therefore holding the fan belt, cheeking fecker!
#10: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: Locky, Location: Newcastle / PlymouthPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:23 pm ---- I do a few ignition reps with mine and seems to be ok. This weather has been so cold mind you, its been reluctant!
have you tried shouting and screaming, and a swift kick? Since they are French they are quite emotional and need a bit of persuasion to do anything
Quite true! When I had the misfiring fault on my 306 I got to the point of asking it to work properly.....
#12: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: eddrj, Location: BerkshirePosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:28 am ---- i have same problem my hdi didnt wanna start yesterday took 3 times to start it and did wait for glow light got newish battery so duno wot it could be
#13: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: Jay794, Location: Sheffield/Chesterfield/DronfieldPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:37 am ---- I've got the same car, and I've experienced problems starting, but I'm more concerned with my door freezing up lol. It's nothing to worry about, just the -5'c temperatures outside
#14: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: dmxking512, Location: LondonPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:42 am ---- pedro_keil : I had a feeling there had to be something other than the glow plugs , im going to check that out.
and at £16 to fix i hope thats the cause !
thanks for that
also going to try the 3 turns before starting
Thanks for all the other suggestions guys
#15: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: dmxking512, Location: LondonPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:23 am ---- Right , Tried turning the key 3 times before starting , waiting for 1, the glow plug light , and then the glowplug relay click , that didnt work.
all the glowplugs get a stable 12V to them so they are working.
i couldnt locate the Fule heater suggested by pedro_keil , im assuming that it may have been on earlier or later models
anyone else have any ideas
#16: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: panason1c, Location: SomersetPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:31 am ---- My 1.4 HDI always starts almost instantly, even after recent overnight temps of -5 degrees (honestly)......your problem is more likely to be air in the fuel line due to the cold weather causing the rubber 0 ring seals at the fuel pipe connections to harden (under the bonnet).
#17: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: hdipower, Location: LincolnPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:40 pm ---- my 2.0 hdi hates the cold weather, has to be cranked for years before it will start from cold. if you apply throttle it usually splutters into life and becomes extra clattery as its so cold
#18: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: dmxking512, Location: LondonPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:26 am ---- check the O rings , there fine =/ its just getting to the point where its a joke ,
the old man recons it might be a starter motor fault =/
it flattend the battery trying to start it yesterday but we bump started it and it took basicly 2 car lengths and it started instnatly
also , it keeps poping up " Antipolution fault " and occasionaly " Engine Imobiliser Fault "
#19: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:34 am ---- Whats the battery like?
#20: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: dmxking512, Location: LondonPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:46 am ---- well i had the battery tested about 2 weeks ago and its okay.
thing is , when i tried to start it on my battery , it turned over okay , eventualy flattened the battery.
i.e the starter moter just about turning over
so i figured ok , battery flat , grabbed the battery out of my dads 2.7 ford maverick , now this is a seriously big battery , nearly put my back out moving the dam thing.
hooked it up
and what do you know , the starter motor still just about turned. as if that was a flat battery.
#21: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: PUG91, Location: ShropshirePosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:58 am ---- I had similar issues, with temperatures of -15 to -18 I'd have to prime it a good 10 times and still the engine sounded like a dog when kicking in but sure enough it was fine and now the weathers warmed up it's perfect again.
I used to have a fix it again tomorrow (fiat) and it had the same thing, sounded like a flat battery when turning over but it turned out to be the starter motor teeth had rounded and so not engaging and just spinning freely and killing the battery, possible thing to try if all else fails
#22: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: apjs87, Location: PlymouthPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:39 am ---- As mentioned I had the same issues as urself. I found a solution.....new battery... Electrical faults flashing up like you have mentioned are usually a sign of a very worn battery.
I put my new battery in and it fired first time. No issues since. Not saying this is the solution to your problem but hope it helps
#23: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: dmxking512, Location: LondonPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:25 am ---- Hmm , well if it was a crap battery surely it would have started with my dads HUGE batery ( that was only put in his car about a month ago )
Starter motor sounds like a viable option , surely if the teeth had worn off you'd hear some sort of grinding noise ?
Thanks for all the support tho guys its giving me alot more options to look into
Hmm , well if it was a crap battery surely it would have started with my dads HUGE batery ( that was only put in his car about a month ago )
Starter motor sounds like a viable option , surely if the teeth had worn off you'd hear some sort of grinding noise ?
Thanks for all the support tho guys its giving me alot more options to look into
I did for a short while whilst it was still working, later to be followed by just a whirling where it was 100% f*&ked and then just dead battery noises lol
#25: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: davek, Location: SouthamptonPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:56 am ---- When it dips to about -2, my HDI also has trouble starting. I normally turn the key and wait for the lights to go out and the pump(?) to stop making it's noise than try to fire her up. When it does catch, normally on the 3rd go, I get an 'airbag fault' warning on the display panel. If I turn engine off and restart, this resets!
Car fires normally in warmer weather.
I mark it down as just one of those quirks of the car.
Hope you find your problem dmx.
#26: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: jeoff82, Location: Milton KeynesPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:07 am ---- Id be testing the starter motor. Use a ammeter to see how many amps its pulling, if its above the manufacturers guidelines then its at fault.
#27: Re: 206 HDi 2.0 Turbo Cold Starting Problems Author: dmxking512, Location: LondonPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:33 am ---- the airbag light does pop up form time to time , i think as you say davek , its probably just one of the cars little quirks,
it's getting to the point where it neeeds a new battery anyway so thats on the wishlist , and yes as its warnmed up a bit it fires over with no problems.
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