#1: horn not working (gti) Author: Mazda_Ian, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:47 am ---- The horn isn't working, fuse is ok.
Been told it is most likely the connector behind the steering wheel airbag. I read in a thread to short out the horn relay so if horn works then control wiring i.e. the above mentioned connector is at fault. if doesn't then probably the wiring or horn.
Thing is i looked behind the fuse board (engine compartment) and couldn't see any relays.
So where is the relay to check?
Secondly where exactly is the horn located and how easy to get to? so i can check for 12v at the terminals.
Thirdly if I need to remove steering wheel airbag can someone point me to a very detailed guide on how to do it safely. I'm not a mechanic and last thing i want to do is create more faults or make car unsafe for my wife.
#2: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:08 am ---- you dont have to take steering wheel of to check, behind the steering wheel will be a connector for the horn put a multimeter on it and press the horn.
#3: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: Mazda_Ian, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:15 am ----
mjsroofing wrote:
you dont have to take steering wheel of to check, behind the steering wheel will be a connector for the horn put a multimeter on it and press the horn.
So, all i need to do is remove steering column covers? Is the the connector colour coded so i know which one to be checking
#4: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:18 am ---- yeah, not sure what colour the wire is mate, have you got a haynes
#5: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: Mazda_Ian, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:27 am ---- No, no Haynes.
I see how i get on, might be obvious once the cover is off.
Thanks.
#6: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:43 am ---- I reckon corroded conection on the horn itself.
#7: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: Mazda_Ian, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:50 am ----
E5GDM wrote:
I reckon corroded conection on the horn itself.
Another thing to check although not certain where the horn is located or best way to get to it. i.e. from underneath or wheel off through wheel arch, etc.
#8: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:54 am ---- It would help if we knew what year the 206 in question is, 2 totally different electrical systems used & both come with different built in faults.
#9: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: Mazda_Ian, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:01 am ---- Oops yeah sorry.
Feb 2003.
#10: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:06 am ---- Its multiplexed then.
Airbag warning light isnt on as well is it?
Horn is buried behind the front grill on the left hand side, simple 2 pin connection, stick your test meter on there & see whats missing when the horn push is pressed.
Most likely find a dirty / corroded connection OR dead horn through lack of use.
#11: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: Mazda_Ian, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:36 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
Its multiplexed then.
Airbag warning light isnt on as well is it?
Horn is buried behind the front grill on the left hand side, simple 2 pin connection, stick your test meter on there & see whats missing when the horn push is pressed.
Most likely find a dirty / corroded connection OR dead horn through lack of use.
No Airbag warning light.
Tried pushing horn and can hear click on each push from under bonnet so suspect button and relay ok. Next to check the horn connections.
When you say left side behind grill. Take it that's from inside the car i.e. same side and battery and fusebox under bonnet.
#12: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:51 am ----
Mazda_Ian wrote:
When you say left side behind grill. Take it that's from inside the car i.e. same side and battery and fusebox under bonnet.
Nope, left as in when your standing facing the front of the car, horn is next to drivers side headlamp buried in the space between the grill & the radiator.
#13: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: Mazda_Ian, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:15 am ---- Ok cheers.
#14: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:57 am ---- Bumper off job on my 180.
#15: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:06 am ---- some are hard to get to, was bumper off to remove the horn as he only needs to get to the wires, does any one know were the wires join the loom for easy access
#16: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:13 am ---- Horn wires most likely come from the BM34 unit under the bonnet ( the under bonnet fuse box )
#17: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:21 am ---- if was in work i would look on autodata for the colours of the wires, does any one on here have it or a haynes.
who on here will be the first with the correct answer????????
who's the best????????????
#18: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:23 am ---- Its such hard work to unclip the grill & unplug the horn to test the wire's
Fiddling with the BM34 unit isn't a good idea unless you know what your doing
#19: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:32 am ---- [quote="MrBSI"]Its such hard work to unclip the grill & unplug the horn to test the wire's
some one said further up thats they had to take the bumper off.
#20: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:34 am ---- You can get at the horn connector plug with the grill removed.
#21: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:42 am ---- there we are mate get a multi metre on the plug and get some one to hit the horn, if there is power the horn is most prop f**ked but try htting it a screwdriver or some thing while some one is pressing the horn and it might start working again.
#22: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: Mazda_Ian, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:09 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
Its such hard work to unclip the grill & unplug the horn to test the wire's
Yeah been looking at it. Not much room in the garage at moment but least was dry. Can see horn and connector through the grill. Suspect that is best way to get to it as there is numorous coolent and ac pipes behind and couldn't squeeze hand in and work on horn in tight space.
Looked like the grill unclipped from bumper but wasn't certain if possible to remove with bumper still on car. By sounds of it, it is so will try that another day.
PS connector didn't look dirty corroded from what i could see. But until i disconnect and test i cant fully appreciate the state of them.
#23: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:15 am ---- Top part of the black plastic grill unclips.
4 mushroom clips along the top, pull the middle bit up to release the clip then pull the outer bit up. then 6 moulded clips along the bottom of the grill, lift up & wriggle it free past the bonnet release catch.
The colour keyed part of the grill has 3 torx screws securing it ( you will see these once the top grill is removed )
Middle torx screw behind badge only needs undoing a little bit as the grill has a slot here, the other 2 screws need removing.
2 plastic clips in each corner under headlight, pull HARD & they will release.
Good idea to visit local Peugeot / Citroen main dealer & get 4 new clips before you start, there only a few pence each & they are likely to break if you haven't got spares to hand.
#24: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: Mazda_Ian, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:07 pm ---- UPDATE
Finally managed to just get to the horn, unplugged it and getting 12v at connector so looks like needs a new horn.
Couldn't manage to get old horn out. Think i'll have to remove bumper for access.
Where's best place to get a replacement horn? Car currenlty not in use so can wait for something ordered online to be delivered.
#25: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:11 pm ----
Mazda_Ian wrote:
Where's best place to get a replacement horn?
Ebay / scrapyard or someone breaking a car on here.
New single horn from Peugeot is £33
#26: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: Mazda_Ian, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:29 pm ---- Found some at GSF car parts. £6.50 general horn or £11+ for high or low tone horn.
Eurocar parts didn't list any online but found that before the search not brilliant.
#27: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: Mazda_Ian, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:38 pm ----
MrBSI wrote:
Ebay / scrapyard or someone breaking a car on here.
New single horn from Peugeot is £33
Rang local dealer £50 + VAT
Plus not in stock, have to pay upfront to get one shipped in but cannot pay over phone so need to visit dealer at weekend as shuts at 5pm to order, then go back a few days later to collect
#28: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:07 pm ---- Check the for sale section on forum, someone should be breaking a 206 in there, there's always at least one being broken for parts.
#29: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: Mazda_Ian, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:49 am ---- Take it the horn itself is same across all 206 of that year?
Just going to try a few breakers in area today and don't to be charge double by somebody saying it's for GTi when any will do.
#30: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: mdstone, Location: South WalesPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:13 am ---- I found a mechanic who was able to replace my horn which was faulty from behind the front bumber without moving the front bumper but it was tricky. I had another fault where the fuse kept blowing when unlocking the car but that was a known fault which required a CPU update to fix.
#31: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: Mazda_Ian, Location: West YorkshirePosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:57 pm ---- All fixed now.
Managed to get enough access by just removing bumper from driver side and all the front bolts. Although the bolt behind the headlamp had me struggling for 2 1/2 hours on Saturday. Bloody thing was rusty so just kept turning the square head in the plastic bumper. In end took me and a neighbour to snap the bolt!
#32: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: 00budham00, Location: IpsPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:32 pm ---- Sorry have no suggestions how to fix your horn problem.
but dont you think GTI's have the Gayest sounding horns. If I beep at someone cutting me up, it just comes out pathetic.
#33: Re: horn not working (gti) Author: Autolycus, Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:16 pm ---- Hi all,
Welcome to all from a newbie on this forum - though on my third Pug now.
First was a green 504 Familiale, back in Germany in the 70's, then a nice little (green), 206 Roland Garros 1.4 from May this year until last week - at which point I bought Another green 206 Roland Garros (WW1 fighter aircraft machine gun interruptor gear inventor), with the 1.6 DOHC 16v engine, from 2003 and in excellent condition.
It's a super little car to drive and while the ECU is too old for a re-map, it will benefit from a stainless exhaust, hi-flow cat, K&N and better plugs - but there is one other issue... The horn is a bit feeble.
I do have a spare Stebel Nautilus, which will be a straight replacement if I can easily get to the old one, but can this be done at the roadside without taking wheels off, or would it be better if I can get it up on a lift for an hour? Any advice from other 206 tweaked...?
Many thanks,
Autolycus,
Christchurch,
Dorset.
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can someone point me to a very detailed guide on how to do it safely. I'm not a mechanic and last thing i want to do is create more faults or make car unsafe for my wife.
