#1: Engine Swap Author: Dabamash, Location: The car in frontPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:26 pm ---- So, what kind of engines can easily be stuck into a plexed 1.1?
I fancy a project that involves my car getting more horsepower, but I don't feel like changing all the gear box and stuff like that.
#2: Re: Engine Swap Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:29 pm ---- Don't think the 1.1 gearbox would be able to handle much power would it? Maybe a 1.4 or 1.6lump if it could?
So, what kind of engines can easily be stuck into a plexed 1.1?
I fancy a project that involves my car getting more horsepower, but I don't feel like changing all the gear box and stuff like that.
If you swapping the engine you'd probably be taking the box out with it.
Probably another TU lump, a 1.4 wouldn't really require an upgrade of suspension or brakes.
Anyone that tells you to tune the 1.1 needs their head checked.
#4: Re: Engine Swap Author: Dabamash, Location: The car in frontPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:30 pm ---- Well, I'm not after a monster here. 1.6 max really. Just wondered if it's easily done and how much it would cost.
#5: Re: Engine Swap Author: Ash, Location: Running from Ant and Lee and Adam...........Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:32 pm ----
Dabamash wrote:
So, what kind of engines can easily be stuck into a plexed 1.1?
I fancy a project that involves my car getting more hamsterpower, but I don't feel like changing all the gear box and stuff like that.
Edited for truth.
Buy a new car Daba...
#6: Re: Engine Swap Author: Dabamash, Location: The car in frontPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:33 pm ---- Says the guy with a 1.4. Put a sock in it Ash, unless you want to be productive.
You got your licence yet?
#7: Re: Engine Swap Author: Ash, Location: Running from Ant and Lee and Adam...........Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:34 pm ----
Dabamash wrote:
Says the guy with a 1.4. Put a sock in it Ash, unless you want to be productive.
I'm being serious. Is it really worth the time and money?
We always tell others to buy new cars instead of doing Engine Swaps... it's the same with you.
#8: Re: Engine Swap Author: Dabamash, Location: The car in frontPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:34 pm ---- Nothing is worth the time and the money with cars. It's just fun.
Sure it's easier and cheaper to buy a new car, but I love tinkering with it.
#9: Re: Engine Swap Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:41 pm ---- tu engine would be an easy one, you'll need a donor car for all the other stuff, ecu etc, or go all the way and chuck a v8 in there or a subaru 360bhp lump in it, have you ever watched chop shop, !!!!!!
#10: Re: Engine Swap Author: Ste, Location: Hull -or- The World Of Info CodePosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:45 pm ---- If I'm honest I'm actually sick and fed up of reading threads like this on info.. For one reason 'buy a new car' always crops up..
For people who want to keep their car and get more beans out of it that isn't a productive reply.. Its just another way to put them down, I've been there with it on here, hence I moved to my local car group for help and ideas on the matter and not once did anyone say get a new car, every answer was productive and I've pretty much sorted my engine swap plans now with the help of them..
Where's the originality in buying a new car anyway? I thought this was a forum to discuss and help people with the passion for modifying their cars??
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GL with it all Dab
#11: Re: Engine Swap Author: Ash, Location: Running from Ant and Lee and Adam...........Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:46 pm ----
Dabamash wrote:
Nothing is worth the time and the money with cars. It's just fun.
Sure it's easier and cheaper to buy a new car, but I love tinkering with it.
Fair enough.
#12: Re: Engine Swap Author: Razpulsedj, Location: Partying with the Info ShufflersPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:47 pm ---- A friend of mine put a 1.4 into his 1.1 and he said it was almost a straight swap
#13: Re: Engine Swap Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:50 pm ---- yeah the 1.4 and 1,1 look the same and fit the same , carefull though they use different sensors, different water temp sensor etc, not sure on the 1.6 tu engine never worked on one.
the 1.1 and 1.4 are really easy and you will gain alot too, not like turbo differnce but you will notice a big gain in power
#14: Re: Engine Swap Author: Dabamash, Location: The car in frontPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:51 pm ---- Might do that then. I'm just after a bit more grunt on motorways but without a massive insurance penalty.
I recently discovered that it's cheaper for me to insure a 1.4 206 than a 1.1. Work that one out.
#15: Re: Engine Swap Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:54 pm ----
Dabamash wrote:
Might do that then. I'm just after a bit more grunt on motorways but without a massive insurance penalty.
I recently discovered that it's cheaper for me to insure a 1.4 206 than a 1.1. Work that one out.
if you change engine would that be a mod in insurance eyes.
no onw will ever know mind 1.1 and 1,4 are identical mate,
straight swap too i done one in a zx years ago took me a day outside with a hand full of tools, well easy. i even managed to cary the engine to the shed on my own, go for it mate
#16: Re: Engine Swap Author: Dabamash, Location: The car in frontPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:55 pm ---- I probably wouldn't declare it. they're all robbing b******s anyway these days.
Is there only one type of 1.4 engine?
#17: Re: Engine Swap Author: Ash, Location: Running from Ant and Lee and Adam...........Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:56 pm ----
Dabamash wrote:
I probably wouldn't declare it. they're all robbing b******s anyway these days.
Is there only one type of 1.4 engine?
8v and 16v.
One is 75BHP and one is 90BHP.
#18: Re: Engine Swap Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:59 pm ---- would it be best to stick with the 8v in this case, wouldn't the 16v need more wiring?????
#19: Re: Engine Swap Author: Dabamash, Location: The car in frontPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:06 pm ---- I'd probably only notice gains from the 16v tbh. How much would a 16v lump cost generally? Like 2005 onwards.
#20: Re: Engine Swap Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:10 pm ---- you'll need a donor car i would of thought mate
#21: Re: Engine Swap Author: Dabamash, Location: The car in frontPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:21 pm ---- That's annoying. We'll see. I might make it a summer project and turn the 1.1 into something a little bit more acceptable.
It's a great little car, it just doesn't have the power for the amount of motorway miles that I do.
#22: Re: Engine Swap Author: Ste, Location: Hull -or- The World Of Info CodePosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:22 pm ----
mjsroofing wrote:
you'll need a donor car i would of thought mate
even more so if your going from 8 to 16v need ECU, loom, ect as afaik it has VVT, I'd also change the gearbox too for easiness.. It's alot easier to get a donor car and do spot the difference before you attempt it, take pictures and notes of all the plugs ect and see what's different so you know what you need to swap over..
Then just strip the rest of the donor car and sell it on probably find it'd be cheaper that way too and you'll come across less problems.
#23: Re: Engine Swap Author: T_bandery, Location: East londonPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:27 pm ---- I a guessing yours is 8v, right?
If so, easiest thing to do is take out just ENGINE out the car and change it for a 1.6 8v, all the wiring on the 8 valvers are exactly the same and also you'll need an ecu from 1.6
For a 16v you'll need to change to change all the looms and a hell lot more.... not worth it tbh, might as well install a GTi engine if you are planning to put in a 1.6 16v
The gearbox from your 1.1 will work fine too with 1.6 8v
#24: Re: Engine Swap Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:28 pm ---- why not go for an easy 8v first to see what its like, they are very widely available, 205's zx's all citroens and pug have them.
I probably wouldn't declare it. they're all robbing b******s anyway these days.
Is there only one type of 1.4 engine?
An Admin saying this.. Well I never.
Do it mate. We are all here because we like tinkering with cars.
I'll give you 20quid if you put something huge in it, just for the crack. Like a hummer engine or summat!
Pfft, all the admins have their own specialities. Mine happens to be forums rather than cars haha.
I'll put a jet engine in it.
I meant the new bold bit.
#29: Re: Engine Swap Author: Dabamash, Location: The car in frontPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:29 pm ----
tomd0801754 wrote:
Dabamash wrote:
tomd0801754 wrote:
Dabamash wrote:
I probably wouldn't declare it. they're all robbing b******s anyway these days.
Is there only one type of 1.4 engine?
An Admin saying this.. Well I never.
Do it mate. We are all here because we like tinkering with cars.
I'll give you 20quid if you put something huge in it, just for the crack. Like a hummer engine or summat!
Pfft, all the admins have their own specialities. Mine happens to be forums rather than cars haha.
I'll put a jet engine in it.
I meant the new bold bit.
Roflmao, I didn't even notice that.
Insurance is f*****g me over so much right now and it's just not on tbh. I don't know what I'll do.
I'll probably end up buying another Aegean Blue 206, but a 1.4.
#30: Re: Engine Swap Author: Jonno, Location: Boston/Spalding LincsPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:31 pm ---- hasnt mega just completed 1.1 - 1.6 8v? speak to him about it all
I probably wouldn't declare it. they're all robbing b******s anyway these days.
Is there only one type of 1.4 engine?
Seriously mate.......... It's that kind of idiocy that puts everyone elses insurance up! On a side note though I'd be happy to help you do the swap if you needed it mate as long as you declare it that is!
#32: Re: Engine Swap Author: Dabamash, Location: The car in frontPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:45 pm ----
mattievrs wrote:
Dabamash wrote:
I probably wouldn't declare it. they're all robbing b******s anyway these days.
Is there only one type of 1.4 engine?
Seriously mate.......... It's that kind of idiocy that puts everyone elses insurance up! On a side note though I'd be happy to help you do the swap if you needed it mate as long as you declare it that is!
Haha, don't worry, I declare stuff. I don't know if I can be bothered. I might just do as people suggest and buy a new car. Declaring a new engine as a mod might f*** me over royally.
I probably wouldn't declare it. they're all robbing b******s anyway these days.
Is there only one type of 1.4 engine?
Seriously mate.......... It's that kind of idiocy that puts everyone elses insurance up! On a side note though I'd be happy to help you do the swap if you needed it mate as long as you declare it that is!
Haha, don't worry, I declare stuff. I don't know if I can be bothered. I might just do as people suggest and buy a new car. Declaring a new engine as a mod might f*** me over royally.
Why not phone them up and ask them what it would do to your policy if you put (a) a 1.4 8v 2 (b) 1.4 16v and (c) 1.6. See what they say for each.
#34: Re: Engine Swap Author: mattievrs, Location: LeicesterPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:49 pm ---- Adrian flux are known for being really good with insurance quotes and engine conversions. I had a 1.4 16v corsa sport which was £260 fully comp and put a 2lt 16v redtop in it putting out 148bhp. It cost me £278 fully comp with that in it! All other qoutes were £500 plus!
Agreed though it's probably easier to trade in and buy a bigger engined 206.
#35: Re: Engine Swap Author: namgaj, Location: Chasing Ash, Addaz and Lee........... hopefully catching Addaz and havin fun :PPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:50 pm ---- Could always share my car dabasmash, after all, you did get an acceptable quote on it!!!!!
#36: Re: Engine Swap Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:45 pm ---- Or someone you know that will have a VTS 125bhp engine that he'd love to sell to you
#37: Re: Engine Swap Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:56 pm ---- I'm really not the one to comment on this topic unfortunately, as the answer will most probably be the complete opposite of what you're after, having gone through it all myself.
However, if you do genuinely want help on the matter, and not just advice, throw me a PM
#38: Re: Engine Swap Author: rttam, Location: devonPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:06 am ----
Dabamash wrote:
Nothing is worth the time and the money with cars. It's just fun.
Sure it's easier and cheaper to buy a new car, but I love tinkering with it.
someone buy that man a drink
this is the exact thing the biggest part iv enjoyed with all the modified cars iv owned is actually the messing around with them
if you dont mind hard work, blood, sweat, despair, a few sleepless nights and some tears (some of joy some of why the bloody hell did i start this)
then you will find the satisfaction of changing the engine in the car you already have is a hundred times greater than that of just buying a different one. iv been there and done it (not on a 206 yet ) and my only advise is buy a cheap banger to use in the mean time and if you feel like u have had enough and get stressed just leave it for a week or so and come back to it and it will suddenly seem a lot easier
#39: Re: Engine Swap Author: Dabamash, Location: The car in frontPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:10 pm ---- Thanks rttam
Finally, someone who understands my way of thinking haha.
#40: Re: Engine Swap Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:33 pm ---- Why make something that already exists out of the factory?
#41: Re: Engine Swap Author: Dabamash, Location: The car in frontPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:34 pm ---- Sigh, why make anything? Because it's fun to do.
#42: Re: Engine Swap Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:37 pm ---- It's fun but no better so just start with the best factory job and make something the factory could never do.
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even more so if your going from 8 to 16v need ECU, loom, ect as afaik it has VVT, I'd also change the gearbox too for easiness.. It's alot easier to get a donor car and do spot the difference before you attempt it, take pictures and notes of all the plugs ect and see what's different so you know what you need to swap over..
and you'll come across less problems.
