#1: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: GP-F, Location: FairfordPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:58 pm ---- Over the last 12 months we have changed/replaced the front suspension on our 206cc 1.6 16v. Front discs & pads, top mounts, shocks & springs (all std) & lower wishbones. Once all this was done we had the suspension checked & aligned. All seemed fine.
I dont drive it that often so when I do i notice every noise,bang & tap. I drove it recently & while changing gears I nearly wrote the thing off!
It was apparent that when I took my foot off the accelerator the steering went left? Then when I put my foot back on the accelerator the car steered to the right?
Anyone point me in the right direction ( power steering? diff?), this is not good to drive at all.
#2: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: Ste, Location: Hull -or- The World Of Info CodePosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:03 pm ---- Simple one.. But usually overlooked, are your tyre pressures equal/correct on both sides?
When you changed the lower wishbones did either of the drive shafts pop out of the gearbox? The drivers one comes all the way out and oil goes everywhere, the passengers one however is held onto the box but can still pop out.. Just wondering if they may of been damaged somehow?
Simple one.. But usually overlooked, are your tyre pressures equal/correct on both sides?
When you changed the lower wishbones did either of the drive shafts pop out of the gearbox? The drivers one comes all the way out and oil goes everywhere, the passengers one however is held onto the box but can still pop out.. Just wondering if they may of been damaged somehow?
^ Thinking outloud lol
Ste, they all stayed intact, the car went to Kyle (gti180Boy) & was spot on after. Tyre pressures are the same too.
#4: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:09 pm ---- I have this problem to, it goes to the left then jumps back across
#5: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: Ste, Location: Hull -or- The World Of Info CodePosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:19 pm ----
GP-F wrote:
Ste206 wrote:
Simple one.. But usually overlooked, are your tyre pressures equal/correct on both sides?
When you changed the lower wishbones did either of the drive shafts pop out of the gearbox? The drivers one comes all the way out and oil goes everywhere, the passengers one however is held onto the box but can still pop out.. Just wondering if they may of been damaged somehow?
^ Thinking outloud lol
Ste, they all stayed intact, the car went to Kyle (gti180Boy) & was spot on after. Tyre pressures are the same too.
Ah if it was Kyle then there wont be a problem there then He's awsome at that stuff and highly recommended..
Ermmmmm I honestly have no idea mate sorry! Hopefully someone will come up with an answer.
I have this problem to, it goes to the left then jumps back across
I have this too! at first i was thinking YES i got torque steer but then i realised i had a 1.1
Anyone want to shed light on this? Because its getting quite worrying now
#8: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: imjeeves, Location: Glasgow / WellingPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:51 pm ---- Check you bottom arm/wishbone bushes. I have this problem on my 205 rally car when it wears the bushes down or damages them.
I have also heard the 206 is bad for it so I would take them both out and check for wear. I think you can get the bushes for them but it may just be cheaper to buy a set off ebay etc
#9: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: Diablo, Location: CoventryPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:07 pm ---- I had this problem but after I changed both wishbones and drop links it went away
#10: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:08 pm ---- wish bone rear rubber/bush has poped they do it all the time.
#11: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:14 pm ---- I already changed my droplinks and bottom arms for the last MOT, so thats them out of the question
#12: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:20 pm ---- how long ago, where they pug parts or after market parts, these are know to go very often
how long ago, where they pug parts or after market parts, these are know to go very often
Aftermarket, yes i know they do go mate and it has done 9k miles this year
But i havent known them to go 'every' year, as that will most likely be my average mileage
Well the MOT is on the 30th, so i will let you know
#14: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:29 pm ---- my mate is a pug machanic and he said he has known them to go as quick as a month or two with aftermarket, he laughed at me when i said that i used aftermarket ones.
my mate is a pug machanic and he said he has known them to go as quick as a month or two with aftermarket, he laughed at me when i said that i used aftermarket ones.
Joys, thanks for the info mate
But hopefully it wont be them, cant really afford it as i know it will fail with honors
#17: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: Ste, Location: Hull -or- The World Of Info CodePosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:47 pm ---- 'tis true I'm afraid aftermarket wishbones are pap Mine have been on less than a month and are already showing signs of wear
#18: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: NICKST, Location: Little hulton (worsley)Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:54 pm ---- My van did this and was the gearbox diff just giving power to one wheel the it would do both every now and again get the diff checked.
#19: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: robertmarcs, Location: carmarthenPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:51 pm ---- same here! would pull under acceleration to one side then snap back when i lifted off! changed wishbones to genuine ones and changded droplink n all is fine now! u could also check the gearbox mountings to be on the safe side btw
Cheap aftermarket ones are s**te, been there done that.
#21: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: mattievrs, Location: LeicesterPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:55 pm ---- check the cv joints for lack of grease aswell as checking the gearbox oil level and wouldnt hurt renewing it too.
#22: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: GP-F, Location: FairfordPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:39 pm ---- Any idea of cost from Peugeot? GSF ones fitted previously (not the cheapest ones they offered either). Discounts available??
#23: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: imjeeves, Location: Glasgow / WellingPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:34 am ---- It sounds v much like wishbones. The aftermarket ones are poor and the bushes break very quickly. I have heard of them going in less than a week in some cases. Its just your luck if you get a good set
#24: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: Seabook, Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:39 am ---- lemforder wishbone from eurocarparts is good as the one from pug dealer
#25: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: GP-F, Location: FairfordPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:39 am ----
Seabook wrote:
lemforder wishbone from eurocarparts is good as the one from pug dealer
£100 EACH..hope its not them
#26: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:42 am ----
GP-F wrote:
Seabook wrote:
lemforder wishbone from eurocarparts is good as the one from pug dealer
£100 EACH..hope its not them
Genuine Peugeot one's are only slightly more.
Last changed mine back in 2005 / 50k miles ago, fit genuine part's & they last
#27: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:52 am ---- i wouldn't pay £100 each for them though i must admit, i bought two off fleebay for £40 posted, i'd hope for the best. big risk i guess though, at least if pug ones fail you can return them. well i guess you can, i would hope so for that price
#28: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: GP-F, Location: FairfordPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:09 am ---- without sounding too dumb, what exactly should I be looking for (bearing in mind I dont have ramps - but a trolley jack & axle stands)?
Splits in rubber joints? out of position mounts?
#29: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:39 am ---- ok, below is a pic of the wishbone, the rubber joint arrowed is normally twisted badley and cracked etc
hope this helps.
#30: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:13 pm ---- Well, mine had an MOT and i specifically stated for them to go over with a fine tooth comb
They did, and found that the bottom arms had no play, same with anyother suspension areas
#31: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: Ste, Location: Hull -or- The World Of Info CodePosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:22 pm ---- Oh how I love the way the car gets shaken about like a crazy thing when they do the 'play' tests lol!
All I was thinking is 'jesus I hope that doesnt fly off the edge!'
Glad it passed anyway dude!
#32: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:26 pm ---- Thanks mate, shame when i got it tracked they did it wrong and it decided it want to head for the other side of the road
Proper blokes they are, they go through the car perfectly but if you have a decat (cough cough) they will let it through
ok, below is a pic of the wishbone, the rubber joint arrowed is normally twisted badley and cracked etc
hope this helps.
Cheers Mark, will have a look & see
#34: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: GP-F, Location: FairfordPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:25 am ---- After market one does look like it is cracking/split slightly. Kyle on the case.
#35: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:32 am ----
GP-F wrote:
After market one does look like it is cracking/split slightly. Kyle on the case.
Genuine Peugeot parts FTW
#36: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: GP-F, Location: FairfordPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:25 am ----
Does this look right to you, bearing in mind its on the jack?
IMO it should be further up into the hub (I know the wishbone is tapered so the bolt locates it)??
#37: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:40 am ---- it doesnt look that bad but grab it and try to move it you shouldnt have to much play or any at all really, try using a bar to wedge in there to test it for movement. its the other two that makes it worse, put wheel on full lock to the right (when sat in car) from outside or he car look through behing the wheel and you can see the rear bush if it looks twisted its shot it should look straight
(oh by the way in your pic your looking at the bottom ball joint.)
#38: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: lee1973, Location: bristolPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:48 am ---- i have this exact same problem,i did change the wishbones a few months back with aftermarker ones.The car has just had its mot too and passed.If it is going to the left when changing gear does that mean it would be the passenger side w/b?
#39: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:51 am ----
GP-F wrote:
Does this look right to you, bearing in mind its on the jack?
IMO it should be further up into the hub (I know the wishbone is tapered so the bolt locates it)??
Looks right to me, I thought is was strange on my 180 but that is just how it sits.
#40: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: GP-F, Location: FairfordPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:56 am ---- It is right, the other 2 bushes had separated from the metal though!
#41: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: anthony_839, Location: romfordPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:17 am ---- it could be the camer set up, or track rods?
#42: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:49 am ---- Check for play in the rear axle it could be the trailing arms. Jack it up and yank the wheels back and forth see if they go in or out. If you can not find play elsewhere just do the wishbones again.
#43: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: bigup, Location: ManchesterPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:12 pm ---- think im experiencing the same thing on my 206 but it steers right when i change gear
ive had passenger side wishbone changed to ebay aftermarket ones before MOT and was told to change driver wishbone after MOT so changed to aftermarkets one.
so if car is steering right, which wishbone needs attention?
also when im doing full lock right the car feels very strange, must be the ball joints yeh?
#44: Re: 206 changing gear + steering = suicide Author: bigup, Location: ManchesterPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:10 am ----
bigup wrote:
think im experiencing the same thing on my 206 but it steers right when i change gear
ive had passenger side wishbone changed to ebay aftermarket ones before MOT and was told to change driver wishbone after MOT so changed to aftermarkets one.
so if car is steering right, which wishbone needs attention?
also when im doing full lock right the car feels very strange, must be the ball joints yeh?
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