#1: which is the fastest Author: XSIcheeseman, Location: OrpingtonPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:17 pm ---- out of the HDI 2.0 diesels which one has got the biggest bhp or the most tourque? was thinkin of gettin the 2002 hdi d turbo 2.0 but i am just wondering wats the best one to buy, cheers
#2: Re: which is the fastest Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:30 pm ---- Aren't they all the same? I think some have slightly different gearing.
#3: Re: which is the fastest Author: XSIcheeseman, Location: OrpingtonPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:31 pm ---- thts why im askin lol
#4: Re: which is the fastest Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:36 pm ---- if you bothered about pace get a petrol gti or 180
#5: Re: which is the fastest Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:51 pm ---- true, there's no fun to be had working a tractor engine hard.
#6: Re: which is the fastest Author: eddrj, Location: BerkshirePosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:46 pm ---- they are all same the 2.0 hdis torque and speed can get a remap an intercooler and so on tho ,make it faster than standard 90bhp. The d -turbo just has sirrocos wheels and better seats as standard and bigger front and back bumpers same as gti's, so yeah be best to for d- turbo hdi probably best out of the hdi range. Last edited by eddrj on Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:59 pm; edited 6 times in total
#7: Re: which is the fastest Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:54 pm ----
no_offences wrote:
if you bothered about pace get a petrol gti or 180
Why is this always the answer, hes obviously after a derv, so why bring up gti's?
P.s. There a loads of dervs about now that would easily nail a 180, and have the torque to lose it from start.
#8: Re: which is the fastest Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:59 pm ----
Edward wrote:
true, there's no fun to be had working a tractor engine hard.
hahah classic so true, if your bothered about speed diesel 206 aint for you mate
#9: Re: which is the fastest Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:00 pm ----
Steve206 wrote:
no_offences wrote:
if you bothered about pace get a petrol gti or 180
Why is this always the answer, hes obviously after a derv, so why bring up gti's?
P.s. There a loads of dervs about now that would easily nail a 180, and have the torque to lose it from start.
no standard diesel 206 would beat a gti nevermind a 180
#10: Re: which is the fastest Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:01 pm ---- A diesel can easily be tuned to out run a GTi all day long.
They are all the same, they use the same engine just a different trim level.
#11: Re: which is the fastest Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:05 pm ----
Steve206 wrote:
no_offences wrote:
if you bothered about pace get a petrol gti or 180
Why is this always the answer, hes obviously after a derv, so why bring up gti's?
P.s. There a loads of dervs about now that would easily nail a 180, and have the torque to lose it from start.
and the answer is because gtis and 180s p**s all over diesel 206s standard, the diesels you on about are not standard, so my answer is more then valid, if you care about pace in a 206 you go petrol, its not a discussion its a fact, yeah you can mod a denzil to beat a 180 but why would you bother it would cost alot, ive driven a hdi and its not even a touch on a 138 nevermind a 180
#12: Re: which is the fastest Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:06 pm ----
Lee wrote:
A diesel can easily be tuned to out run a GTi all day long.
They are all the same, they use the same engine just a different trim level.
yeah tuned im on about standard, and a tuned 180 or 138 will p**s off a tuned diiesel so the argument is pointless
#13: Re: which is the fastest Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:08 pm ---- and come back with whatever you like fact is standard its not even a contest between them the petrols are superior for pace,
#14: Re: which is the fastest Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:11 pm ---- He wants a diesel tho
The 206 GTi is a poor attempt at a hot hatch anyway, there's a lot better out there for similar/less money.
#15: Re: which is the fastest Author: kieron, Location: in the housePosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:16 pm ---- i see a slanging match coming on like the old gti138 vs 180 thred
#16: Re: which is the fastest Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:17 pm ----
Lee wrote:
He wants a diesel tho
The 206 GTi is a poor attempt at a hot hatch anyway, there's a lot better out there for similar/less money.
what does other cars have to do with it? end of the day the petrols are faster so when it comes to speed get a petrol, economy diesel, thats how it is thats the point i was making, you can get a faster cars for same cash granted but i was on about 206s and if you want the quickest 206 you dont buy a diesel,
#17: Re: which is the fastest Author: Rustym, Location: Wasall, West MidsPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:36 pm ---- A hdi with decat, filter, intercooler, hybrid turbo, fuel pump and injector upgrades remapped will be 200ish bhp and a rediculoud amount more torque than you could achieve in a gti180. I believe there are very few people without a super/turbo charger that have broken the 200bhp mark even with cams induction mapping etc etc so to be honest it is a lot more possible to tune a diesel up to 200bhp then a gti180.
#18: Re: which is the fastest Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:32 pm ----
Rustym wrote:
a rediculoud amount more torque than you could achieve in a gti180.
You mean more smoke?
#19: Re: which is the fastest Author: Rustym, Location: Wasall, West MidsPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:33 pm ---- That's just to p**s the guy in the 180 off a little bit more haha
#20: Re: which is the fastest Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:58 pm ---- yeah thats it list upgrades, god why bother ???? answer this, would a 90bhp 2l turbo diesel 206 beat a normal gti or 180, no exactly now shut the f*** up your arguing about something pointless, and rusty i dont own a 180 ya dumb f*** look at my sig its a gt dipshit with a gti engine that is standard and will rape any standard diesel 206 FACT, f*** listing upgrades im on about the car that rolls out the factory, no 206 diesel will beat a 180 or normal gti thats a FACT dont care for cooler upgrades bigger turbos, just remember this diesels need turbos because there f*****g s**t, diesel burns slower its why all diesels have turbos and 2l 206 petrol are na because they dont need forced induction to get going, petrol is better, no need to argue is diesel was so good all supercars would run on it fac tis petrol is better for performance, and that is a fact
#21: Re: which is the fastest Author: imjeeves, Location: Glasgow / WellingPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:10 pm ---- 180 with throttle bodies will easy be over 200bhp! Thats without doing cams and all that rubbish. Doubt that you will find an extra 110bhp out a 90 engine by changing the exhaust and a remap and a bit bigger turbo. That is over double its standard performance
#22: Re: which is the fastest Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:01 pm ----
imjeeves wrote:
180 with throttle bodies will easy be over 200bhp! Thats without doing cams and all that rubbish. Doubt that you will find an extra 110bhp out a 90 engine by changing the exhaust and a remap and a bit bigger turbo. That is over double its standard performance
exactly
#23: Re: which is the fastest Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:26 pm ----
Rustym wrote:
A hdi with decat, filter, intercooler, hybrid turbo, fuel pump and injector upgrades remapped will be 200ish bhp and a rediculoud amount more torque than you could achieve in a gti180. I believe there are very few people without a super/turbo charger that have broken the 200bhp mark even with cams induction mapping etc etc so to be honest it is a lot more possible to tune a diesel up to 200bhp then a gti180.
180s have roughly 170 so your saying its cheaper and easier to get 200 form a 90bhp engine.........
#24: Re: which is the fastest Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:38 am ----
no_offences wrote:
yeah thats it list upgrades, god why bother ???? answer this, would a 90bhp 2l turbo diesel 206 beat a normal gti or 180, no exactly now shut the f*** up your arguing about something pointless, and rusty i dont own a 180 ya dumb f*** look at my sig its a gt dipshit with a gti engine that is standard and will rape any standard diesel 206 FACT, f*** listing upgrades im on about the car that rolls out the factory, no 206 diesel will beat a 180 or normal gti thats a FACT dont care for cooler upgrades bigger turbos, just remember this diesels need turbos because there f*****g s**t, diesel burns slower its why all diesels have turbos and 2l 206 petrol are na because they dont need forced induction to get going, petrol is better, no need to argue is diesel was so good all supercars would run on it fac tis petrol is better for performance, and that is a fact
I just read this and laughed, did you get any sleep last night? I cant believe how wound up you can be, and as usual this topic has gone completely off the rails. You havnt once answered the origonal question.
#25: Re: which is the fastest Author: eddrj, Location: BerkshirePosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:40 am ---- the 2.0 hdi is the best and easiest engine to be tuned and chipped out on the 206 wont beat gtis standard tho no, but he must want a diesel
#26: Re: which is the fastest Author: jamiea69, Location: bristolPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:49 am ---- 1.6 gti hdi ftw, they have 110 bhp standard, plus got all the gti trim
#27: Re: which is the fastest Author: eddrj, Location: BerkshirePosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:54 am ---- yeah the 1.6 hdi are faster and have better wheels and trim but he said about the 2.0 hdis
#28: Re: which is the fastest Author: jamiea69, Location: bristolPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:55 am ----
eddrj wrote:
yeah the 1.6 hdi are faster and have better wheels and trim but he said about the 2.0 hdis
fair enuf, just an option to consider tho
#29: Re: which is the fastest Author: eddrj, Location: BerkshirePosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:59 am ---- yeah should look at all the hdi diesels if thats what he wants 1.4 hdi 1.6 hdi and the 2.0 hdi the 1.4 hdi be cheaper to tax and insure and that the 1.6 better interior and faster standard but the 2.0 best one to tune and chip. The 1.9d only one with no turbo and def not the fastest one
#30: Re: which is the fastest Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:16 am ---- the 2litre hdi's do they have different power options???//
only asking so maybe some one could answer this guys question,
i've drove a couple, my mate had a nice blue one with all nice sporty seats etc and it was pretty quick and a lot faster than another one same year that looked standard and both i believe hadn't been played with at all. so do they do a faster model of the 2.o hdi ?????/
oh and i think the op was asking or looking for a fast diesel for the best of both worlds not the fastest car in the 206 range.
#31: Re: which is the fastest Author: Andy180, Location: Stoke on TrentPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:22 am ----
no_offences wrote:
yeah thats it list upgrades, god why bother ???? answer this, would a 90bhp 2l turbo diesel 206 beat a normal gti or 180, no exactly now shut the f*** up your arguing about something pointless, and rusty i dont own a 180 ya dumb f*** look at my sig its a gt dipshit with a gti engine that is standard and will rape any standard diesel 206 FACT, f*** listing upgrades im on about the car that rolls out the factory, no 206 diesel will beat a 180 or normal gti thats a FACT dont care for cooler upgrades bigger turbos, just remember this diesels need turbos because there f*****g s**t, diesel burns slower its why all diesels have turbos and 2l 206 petrol are na because they dont need forced induction to get going, petrol is better, no need to argue is diesel was so good all supercars would run on it fac tis petrol is better for performance, and that is a fact
Alot of the lemans cars are diesel now and they would p**s over most supercars so not all diesels are s**t.
#32: Re: which is the fastest Author: jamiea69, Location: bristolPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:33 am ---- according to parkers out of the 2.0l range, the power is all the same, but the 0-60 times differ by a 0.1 of a second.
#33: Re: which is the fastest Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:44 am ---- To the OP: They all have 90bhp as standard. The DTurbo/Sport/LX etc. refer to the spec. Don't foget a lot will depend on how the car has been treated.
Everyone else not on topic:
The GTi argument. Yes of course they come out of the factory better. But no you don't need lots of money. £800 spent correctly and the car (performance wise) will pee pee all over the GTi range. Now the difference in price between a 180 and HDi, that £800 spent is actually what you would save. (Plus extra).
The 1.6 - Yes more power to start with, but harder to tune and the FAP is a pain in the a**e.
#34: Re: which is the fastest Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:34 am ----
tomd0801754 wrote:
To the OP: They all have 90bhp as standard. The DTurbo/Sport/LX etc. refer to the spec. Don't foget a lot will depend on how the car has been treated.
Everyone else not on topic:
The GTi argument. Yes of course they come out of the factory better. But no you don't need lots of money. £800 spent correctly and the car (performance wise) will pee pee all over the GTi range. Now the difference in price between a 180 and HDi, that £800 spent is actually what you would save. (Plus extra).
The 1.6 - Yes more power to start with, but harder to tune and the FAP is a pain in the a**e.
The gearing is shorter on the 'sportier' models, so some will be slightly quicker. The difference will be minimal though!
It's not really that much harder to tune. Most DW10 owners ditch the CAT when it comes to mapping, and the same can be done with the FAP on the DV6. Only difference being not a lot of tuners know how to map it out the ECU, and as a result you end up paying a slightly higher premium.
#35: Re: which is the fastest Author: mjsroofing, Location: south walesPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:43 am ---- maybe the one i drove had been remaped or some thing i will try and find out but it was defo much quicker than the other on i drove.
op.... have you ever drove a hdi
#36: Re: which is the fastest Author: stevedude, Location: aldershotPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:41 pm ---- BUT didnt yvan muller win a world touring race in a diesel car, and some chap in an audi also win another race in a diesel
#37: Re: which is the fastest Author: PhillipM, Location: RotherhamPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:10 am ---- Yeah, unfortunately if you bother to read the rules you'll see why, diesels have to be allowed bigger restrictors and much more benefits in the rulings to make them competitive.
If the rules were equal then no-one in their right mind would be running diesel, even for Le Mans where slight energy density increase of diesel over petrol is useful.
It's even the same with road cars, diesels are allow much slacker emissions limits because otherwise they'd be useless for small cars as it stands.
Anyway, petrol V6 ftw.
#38: Re: which is the fastest Author: Iain, Location: Aberdeen, ScotlandPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:10 am ---- Even if you got to a 2.0HDi to be faster in a straight line/more powerful than a 180, it's still a fair bit off the 180 in the handling department. When you factor in everything you would need to upgrade to a similar level the price argument starts to look a bit weak.
For pure performance and driving enjoyment in mind, it would be daft to buy a 2.0HDi. Brilliant engine for fuel economy with potentially a fair bit of power though.
But yeah, I think the original question was answered by a few
#39: Re: which is the fastest Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:47 am ---- Now come on guys, if I learnt one thing from being on this forum it's that the 206 is total crap, the 180's are over priced & the worst Gti ever, & that if you spend 2p on tuning a diesel it will trounce an F1 car while doing 1000 mpg. In fact any diesel engine in any make & year of car is infinitely better than the embaresment of owning a pug.
#40: Re: which is the fastest Author: Jay794, Location: Sheffield/Chesterfield/DronfieldPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:49 am ---- All 2.0HDi's are the same, standard 90BHP the different names come from the trim level e.g DTurbo, LX etc....
Oh and the 1.6HDi GTi's suck, they're so unreliable and break all the time
#41: Re: which is the fastest Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:58 am ----
Jay794 wrote:
All 2.0HDi's are the same, standard 90BHP the different names come from the trim level e.g DTurbo, LX etc....
Oh and the 1.6HDi GTi's suck, they're so unreliable and break all the time
Mine has been fine
#42: Re: which is the fastest Author: Jay794, Location: Sheffield/Chesterfield/DronfieldPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:00 pm ----
G. wrote:
Jay794 wrote:
All 2.0HDi's are the same, standard 90BHP the different names come from the trim level e.g DTurbo, LX etc....
Oh and the 1.6HDi GTi's suck, they're so unreliable and break all the time
Mine has been fine
Ok, should I rephrase it to, they have a reputation for being unreliable and breaking all the time?
#43: Re: which is the fastest Author: Lecktorious, Location: ScotlandPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:06 pm ----
Jay794 wrote:
G. wrote:
Jay794 wrote:
All 2.0HDi's are the same, standard 90BHP the different names come from the trim level e.g DTurbo, LX etc....
Oh and the 1.6HDi GTi's suck, they're so unreliable and break all the time
Mine has been fine
Ok, should I rephrase it to, they have a reputation for being unreliable and breaking all the time?
From what I've heard, people using the wrong grade of oil is what tends to knacker them. If thats the case, then its not really a reliability issue.
#44: Re: which is the fastest Author: Seabook, Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:06 pm ----
Jay794 wrote:
G. wrote:
Jay794 wrote:
All 2.0HDi's are the same, standard 90BHP the different names come from the trim level e.g DTurbo, LX etc....
Oh and the 1.6HDi GTi's suck, they're so unreliable and break all the time
Mine has been fine
Ok, should I rephrase it to, they have a reputation for being unreliable and breaking all the time?
all french car has this reputation
#45: Re: which is the fastest Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:16 am ----
Lee wrote:
He wants a diesel tho
The 206 GTi is a poor attempt at a hot hatch anyway, there's a lot better out there for similar/less money.
Mods, so this post isn't spam? I'll presume it isn't so I should be allowed to respond to it.
Taking all things into consideration i really can't understand the anti Gti, especially the anti 180 sentiments on this forum. They're not the ultimate Gti true, but they are far far from bad, & even very good in a lot of areas, especially price.
#46: Re: which is the fastest Author: Jack4273, Location: NottinghamPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:33 am ----
E5GDM wrote:
Now come on guys, if I learnt one thing from being on this forum it's that the 206 is total crap, the 180's are over priced & the worst Gti ever, & that if you spend 2p on tuning a diesel it will trounce an F1 car while doing 1000 mpg. In fact any diesel engine in any make & year of car is infinitely better than the embaresment of owning a pug.
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