#1: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:42 pm ---- I blew a fuse earlier by fiddling with my indicator bulbs. It's in the box under the steering wheel right at the bottom, it has 'A' above it, with two next to it saying 'B' & 'C' (geddit) it's a 15amp. I pulled a 15 amp out of the next set of three (could be D, E & F, if it is, it would be D) to put it in to see if the indicators would come back on (they did)! Tried to start the car at this point & it just turned over but wouldn't fire up!
I panicked at this point & put the fuses back where they came from, including the blown one, tried again still not starting. I then stole a 15amp one from the same slot in my mum's 206 & put it in place of the blown one. Tried to start it again & it just turned over again!
I then tried locking it, setting the alarm, then unlocking it & tried to start it & failed again. I disconnected the battery & swapped it with my mum's to check it wasn't that & still nothing. I've tried pressing the red button. & my mum's car still starts when the fuse is replaced. The car sounds the same as normal when I'm trying to start it & everything works apart from the indicators (due to the blown fuse) It turns over at the same speed & with the same sound throughout it trying.
Tomorrow I'll go through the BSI reboot procedure, but has anyone else got any ideas?
Thanks guys & girls.
#2: Re: No-Go Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:44 pm ---- BSI reboot, pulling fuses when the cars live isnt a great idea
#3: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:49 pm ---- I had the ignition off when I was fiddling... BSI reboot is the way forward then? What if that doesn't work?
#4: Re: No-Go Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:53 pm ---- even with ignition off, if the battery's plugged in there's still loads of systems which are live.
pulling the fuse probably killed one and when you replaced it maybe it didnt start up correctly.
doing a reboots a good idea because it will shut everything down and let it all start up insequence again. if that doesnt work you could have damaged something by effectivly shutting something down incorrectly. reboot will probs fix it though. as its cranking but not starting it sounds like a fuel issue, have you looked to see what the fuze you pulled actually does? might be an indication lol
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#5: Re: No-Go Author: DJ-, Location: UKPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:53 pm ---- well its not like a BSI reboot is a big deal for preplexed, Its pretty much the case of disconnecting the battery and reconnecting it. Worth a try though.
#6: Re: No-Go Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:54 pm ---- oh i presumed you were multiplexed when you talked about a BSI reboot. if your preplexed just unplug the battery and reconnect
#7: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:58 pm ---- I've already disconnected the battery & connected it again when I swapped it with my mum's... Do you still think it's worth a try to do it properly? It looks like the set of fuses I was looking at are just in relation to the BSI. The one I pulled out looks like it's just the rear wiper or something it's all really confusing.
#8: Re: No-Go Author: DJ-, Location: UKPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:01 pm ---- There is no proper way for a preplexed cars Twidly, thats pretty much it. Only on multiplexed you wait 3 minutes, mess with sidelights etc.
#9: Re: No-Go Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:02 pm ---- if your car is pre-plexed which i think it is if its 2000 reg then doing a BSI reboot for a multi-plexed car wont work
#10: Re: No-Go Author: DJ-, Location: UKPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:04 pm ---- When I had to reconnect my battery with my old preplexed I had to quickly turn the key all the way and press on the accelerator to start the car else if I waiting on "accessories" position or something it wouldnt start as not enough power I guess due to being disconnected.
Have you tried doing it fast like that?
#11: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:06 pm ---- So basically just starting it straight off without giving it a moment to preheat? Not that I need to much anyway...
#12: Re: No-Go Author: DJ-, Location: UKPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:07 pm ---- hmm actually sorry just realised on a diesel you have to wait or something dont you :S
#13: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:09 pm ---- Sort of... I don't really have to wait with mine cause it's an HDi But I do cause I normally love her. So basically have a f****d my car up?
#14: Re: No-Go Author: mikey82, Location: gloucesterPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:18 pm ---- maybe you should have a look at the fuse layout before you start pulling um out matey lol
#15: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:22 pm ---- One was broken & it stopped my indicators from working... What else am I supposed to do... Leave it there & hope the magical fuse fairy will come & fix it? Give me a break.
#16: Re: No-Go Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:24 pm ---- new one from halfrauds.
still though there's no point fighting about whats done children :D. better to find a fix for it
so it cranks but its not fireing. can you smell unburnt fuel? or is it not supplying fuel. can you hear the fuel pump working ?
#17: Re: No-Go Author: DJ-, Location: UKPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:24 pm ---- you know the fuse you took from the other position in your fusebox, have you checked thats still ok and not fused too?
Wasnt the battery disconnected when you started swapping fuses?
#18: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:27 pm ----
MrrNoName wrote:
new one from halfrauds.
still though there's no point fighting about whats done children :D. better to find a fix for it
so it cranks but its not fireing. can you smell unburnt fuel? or is it not supplying fuel. can you hear the fuel pump working ?
I can fix the blown fuse problem (: Just steal one from my mum's lol.
Yeah turns over like it's trying to start just doesn't actually fire up. Can't smell diesel. I don't know what a fuel pump sounds like. It makes the usual sound it makes when getting ready to starting & attempting it. My dad will probably know & he's coming in the morning.
#19: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:28 pm ----
DJ- wrote:
you know the fuse you took from the other position in your fusebox, have you checked thats still ok and not fused too?
Wasnt the battery disconnected when you started swapping fuses?
Yeah I've checked every single other fuse on the car & they all look fine.
No it wasn't. Probably a stupid thing to do, but I didn't know you were supposed to?
#20: Re: No-Go Author: DJ-, Location: UKPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:30 pm ---- Hmm not sure. I had a similar issue when I didnt disconnect the battery. Swapped 2 fuses, then put them back and the lights wouldnt come on so then I disconnected the battery for a while then reconnected. Seemed to sort of the problem. I think try again disconnecting for a while then put back and see what happens.
#21: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:34 pm ----
DJ- wrote:
Hmm not sure. I had a similar issue when I didnt disconnect the battery. Swapped 2 fuses, then put them back and the lights wouldnt come on so then I disconnected the battery for a while then reconnected. Seemed to sort of the problem. I think try again disconnecting for a while then put back and see what happens.
Right I'll disconnect the battery tomorrow & leave it for about 10 mins then (:
#22: Re: No-Go Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:35 pm ---- The reason why not disconnecting the battery first may cause problems is that you are always supposed to remove earth/negative first within a circuit, whereas when you yank fuses out you are removing the positive feed first.
Plus if you yanked one out of the BSI while it was still awake, you want to prey you haven't corrupted anything in it.
Disconnect the battery, and remove each fuse one by one and make sure they are all ok.
I know a bust fuse stopped Ant's 180 from starting, as well as a fuse others.
#23: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:37 pm ---- Always here with the technical info Lee Is looking at the wire at the top the only way to tell if they're ok?
#24: Re: No-Go Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:40 pm ---- Some fuses are hard to see thru the top due to the thinness of the fuse wire due to the low amps, its just as easy to take the fuse out and check as you can have a proper look then.
#25: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:42 pm ----
Lee wrote:
Some fuses are hard to see thru the top due to the thinness of the fuse wire due to the low amps, its just as easy to take the fuse out and check as you can have a proper look then.
But they're just like a plastic block with an open window at the top? so that's the only way to check isn't it?
#26: Re: No-Go Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:46 pm ----
Twidly wrote:
Lee wrote:
Some fuses are hard to see thru the top due to the thinness of the fuse wire due to the low amps, its just as easy to take the fuse out and check as you can have a proper look then.
But they're just like a plastic block with an open window at the top? so that's the only way to check isn't it?
Some of the fuses are clear on the sides, so you can look that way
Infact most of them are like that on my car
#27: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:49 pm ----
Lee wrote:
Twidly wrote:
Lee wrote:
Some fuses are hard to see thru the top due to the thinness of the fuse wire due to the low amps, its just as easy to take the fuse out and check as you can have a proper look then.
But they're just like a plastic block with an open window at the top? so that's the only way to check isn't it?
Some of the fuses are clear on the sides, so you can look that way
Infact most of them are like that on my car
Well my car's old, So they's all on the top Ha!
#28: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:13 am ---- UPDATE:
Dad came round, checked every fuse with a multimeter all fine. Disconnected the battery for around 10 mins, still not starting. Can hear the fuel pump faintly whirring.
Read that if the key in ignition warning still sounds then the immmobiliser is fine, is this correct? If so my immobiliser is ok.
#29: Re: No-Go Author: hobnob48, Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:39 am ---- Its a long shot but does it have a flywheel sensor? Sounds identical to my mates issue, the flywheel sensor was dirty which stopped his clio from starting, just turned over but no spark. Have a look for one or could be cam sensor on diesel I dont really know too much about 206's yet. Just getting used to mine
#30: Re: No-Go Author: mattievrs, Location: LeicesterPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:50 am ---- Have you checked all the fuses in the engine bay?
#31: Re: No-Go Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:46 am ---- Just a thought, if you have taken out the fuse for the immobilser, you may need to resync the key
#32: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:13 pm ---- Thanks guys, but it's in the garage now... I think the keys are being reprogrammed... Not really sure cause dad's sorting it ha! But I should get her back tomorrow so I'll let you all know what the problem was (:
#33: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:26 am ---- So it turns out that somehow the ECU & BSI got wiped. £1000 for a new set. I want to die. Can't afford a new one, so fixing it is the only choice... & I can't be without a car. Don't post any sarky comments because I have been crying & I don't need it... Ta. I just hopes this helps someone else, or actually I hope no one else has this problem...
#34: Re: No-Go Author: DJ-, Location: UKPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:31 am ---- oh thats bad luck!
#35: Re: No-Go Author: hobnob48, Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:32 am ---- Can you not get the ecu and stuff from one being broken? Obviously would involve changing locks ect but could come in a lot cheaper. And i know how you feel. I spent 2k on repairs for my astra 6 months before i crashed it
#36: Re: No-Go Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:33 am ---- no way!!!
erm im not sure but i think if you can find a same year dturbo in scrappers you can use a ecu and bsi from that, would be cheaper too
#37: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:41 am ---- Yeah it would be cheaper, but the codes on the the new ECU has to be within a range of the code on mine, which makes it more difficult. & then I still need someone to fit it & code it all up together. I'd need one with an alarm on it too if I was to go down the 'change every lock and key' root... Also be a hassle with my fuel cap & s**t like that.
Basically just a massive c***. Just had a call from my dad, the total price including fitting & everything is £1103 & it's being done tomorrow...
On a lighter note, shame I can't get a cheeky remap done :L
#38: Re: No-Go Author: hobnob48, Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:56 am ---- At that much canyou not buy another car? Also i would suggest contacting a pug specialist like pug1off you never know you may get it sorted cheaper as they will be able to do the work a lot easier
#39: Re: No-Go Author: Spanerman, Location: Neath, South Wales.Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:57 am ---- f*** that!
Get a BSI ECU and key off ebay and do it yourself, you may aswell right the bloody car off for a 1000 quid bill!
Nuts!
#40: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:44 am ---- I'm only paying £550 of it, which I've had to borrow off a relative. I have the problem of not being able to take the car anywhere. Well considering I've spent £300 on it recently... Buying another car is not an option for me. It took me 6 months to save up a grand for this one & then someone helped me out with the rest of it. Not to mention the fact that there are NO car like it in my area.
#41: Re: No-Go Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:05 am ---- best thing you can do is learn from the experience and not worry about it now
i didnt know you could wipe the bsi and ecu from something as simple as pulling a fuse, so can understand exactly how it happened!
pay the bill, get the car back and just enjoy that its fixed
#42: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:07 am ----
MrrNoName wrote:
best thing you can do is learn from the experience and not worry about it now
i didnt know you could wipe the bsi and ecu from something as simple as pulling a fuse, so can understand exactly how it happened!
pay the bill, get the car back and just enjoy that its fixed
You're completely right...
I'm starting to wonder myself exactly why they would design it so blowing & fuse/pulling one out can wipe the bsi... Might just be a coincidence I suppose.
Thanks (:
#43: Re: No-Go Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:39 am ---- You don't need to pay all that.
Look on ebay for someone breaking a D-Turbo, and buy the ECU, BSI and immobilser transponder, and just swap them over.
You can keep the locks the same.
Get the VIN off them as well, then it will be easier to unlock the immobilser for recoding the new keys.
Infact, how has the ECU been wiped? I can understand the BSI corrupting but not the ECU
#44: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:42 am ---- I thought it was possible to do something like that... But apparently it's a bit of a hit & miss as to whether you can recode the keys or whatever & if I need new keys I'll need to pay about £200... I think my dad's already sorted it now unfortunately. Thank-you though Lee (:
#45: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:43 am ---- I don't know how it's been wiped... It's all a bit of mystery... But apparently that's what happened... Even if it was just the BSI I'd still need both anyway wouldn't I?
#46: Re: No-Go Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:44 am ---- £200 for new keys?
You can get them for about £40 for your car.
You've paid way over the odds
#47: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:47 am ---- I know... But without any time or knowledge about this sort of thing it's all been done through a mechanic... I think it's gone to Peugeot to be done tomorrow... At least it's being done properly I guess :\
#48: Re: No-Go Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:48 am ---- Yeah I can understand where you're coming from, just a shame that the mechanic has gone down that route
#49: Re: No-Go Author: Twidly, Location: Home - Norfolk, Uni - PrestonPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:50 am ---- If I'd have had the time & knowledge then I'd have ordered one off ebay & got someone to fit it... but I can't be relying on postage & shizz cause I need the car :\ Nevermind... I'm hoping they c**k up & accidently remap it at the same time
#50: Re: No-Go Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:51 am ---- Always looking on the bright side then
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Is looking at the wire at the top the only way to tell if they're ok?
I can understand the BSI corrupting but not the ECU 
