#1: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst remap Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:39 pm ---- Thought it was about time i got some pics of the car on here,
So after trading in a 1.9 diesel seat leon cupra i picked myself up a 2003 206 gti 180 with a little under 52k on the clock.
Not long after getting the car I bought myself a k&n appolo induction kit
Then when driving along I blew a hole in the side of the parada spec 2 tyre!
So it was a quick run to kwik fit for a new set of budget tyres as the other 3 were nearly on the limit anyway. I also decided to have a go at refurbing and painting the alloys as they were suffering from bad kerbing from the previous owner
Filled in and sanded down
Primed
Glossed
And lacquered
Next up was a cupra splitter
I also changed the exhaust for a powerflow cat back system keeping the same style tailpipe though.
I then decided it was time to renew the brakes as the discs were badly worn. I chose black diamond discs with green stuff pads
Took the car down to Santa Pod for the annual USC show and had a few runs down the strip, my best time recorded was a 15.3 second quarter mile
Yeah i take the photos while the girlfriend puts the tent up
Also put it on a rolling road while I was down there but I’m not too sure how accurate it was. The only mods are induction kit and powerflow cat back exhaust, and the results were 178.7bhp and 158.8ft/lb torque.
Then came xmas and after persuading the gf and the parents to buy me some team dynamics pro race 1.2’s i bought some proxes t1r’s for them and got them fitted while it was still snowing.
decided to spray the badge black at the weekend
UPDATE - 05.04.2011
about 6 months ago i bought a set of catcams 804's with a vernier pulley from a member on this forum, i was obviously very excited when i dropped the car of at a garage for them to be fitted. i had the car booked in at a garage near me for the cams to be fitted, aswell as a new cambelt and water pump then for everything to be mapped in with a custom map.
so taking a day off work i drove the car down to the garage, meet the bloke doing the work and he has no idea the car was booked in...apparently the man i had spoke to on the phone was away on holiday to new zealand for 2 weeks and hadn't put it in the diary. anyway, after that shambles the mechanic told me to leave the car with him and he would try and fit it in and work the weekend to get it done. so sunday comes and i phoned up to find out how it was going only to be told that the cams were damaged and they couldn't fit them.
so you can imagine how p****d off i was...however after getting in touch with the seller he put me in touch with the original dealer (macj) who was a massive help and offered to take a look at the cams to make sure the would not need re-machined as he knew they had never been fitted so couldn't be damaged, or would have to go back to catcams. so anyway the cams were checked over by a couple of people who all found nothing wrong with them, so my problem was put down to lack of knowledge on the mechanics part i think as they hadn't removed the hydraulic lifters when fittin the new cams.
but now 6 long months down the line i appear to be getting somewhere and the car is now booked into R S tuning just after easter. the car will be going on the rolling road before any work is done to get the current bhp then a custom map once all work has been completed.
also just bought myself some new dodo juice lime prime and some dodo juice blue velvet wax, some pics of the car after it wash washed and both were applied
UPDATE - 20.04.2011
after seeing a few photos of other members cars i decided to have a go at removing the black vinyl on the door pillar, but once again the pug throws up another surprise or 2. this time in the form of 2 horrible marks on the paintwork hiding under the vinyl, so i have now replaced the vinyl with carbon fibre
UPDATE - 10.05.2011
a couple of new bits for the car since the cams have been fitted,
first up is a mocal oil cooler with a thermostat built into the sandwich plate. hopefully going to fit it this weekend as the car needs an oil change anyway, so i'll post some photos of it fitted next week.
also since R.S.Tuning reccomended putting the standard airbox back on the car i decided to get a K&N panel filter which i have just fitted tonight.
UPDATE - 06.07.2011
Well as a few of you know I had the cams fitted a while ago and the car failed to make any extra power but as i wasn't the only one having bother with these cams, catcams were very helpful in getting to the bottom of the problem and replaced the inlet cam. They posted out a new cam a couple of weeks ago and I decided i would take the car down to kyle (gti180boy) who also had just fitted the new cam himself. I dropped the car off with him on a saturday morning and by the same evening he had completed all the work including sorting out the vernier pulley and the timing which the last garage had made a bit of a mess of. The following monday the car was taken back to R.S.Tuning for it to be mapped once again
these first 2 pictures are from the first time the car went to RST before any work haad been done
and an air/fuel ratio to go with it
These next 2 pictures are after the new cams were fitted and mapping was completed
As you can see there is quite a decent gain, however it was an incredibly hot day when the mapping was being done and Paul from RST said himself it would easily make over 180bhp on an average day...the box in the corner shows you air temp was 29degrees where it was only 17 degrees on the first day
and another air/fuel ratio once the mapping was done
Paul didn't seem 100% happy with how rich it was low down but for some reason said he couldn't do anything about it
I'd just like to say a quick thanks to mac for all his help with the cams when it didn't go right first time around, kyle for all the help offering to fit the cams and setting it up right, can't recommend him enough for anyone on this forum looking for work done on their car, I travelled 255 miles and it was worth it.
The car now runs great, feels alot more responsive and the extra power is clearly noticeable, it picks up from about 2.5k and then really kicks in at just over 4k and pulls all the way to the redline, the idle is a little bit lumpy but it sounds great to me Last edited by Chris180 on Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:27 am; edited 16 times in total
#2: Re: Penneys 206 gti 180 Author: apjs87, Location: PlymouthPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:42 pm ---- Nice car. Like the new alloys but get it lowered!
#3: Re: Penneys 206 gti 180 Author: Andy180, Location: Stoke on TrentPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:43 pm ---- nice car should of kept the vortexes though and it desperatley needs lowering.
#4: Re: Penneys 206 gti 180 Author: dan_206, Location: Bury St EdmundsPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:44 pm ---- Looks lush although still prefere the votex over pro race buts that's my opinion lol.
I did see your car go down the strip though been to USC past few years
Looks lush although still prefere the votex over pro race buts that's my opinion lol.
I did see your car go down the strip though been to USC past few years
it was my first year there, i messed up quite a few runs like, there's a video on youtube of me racing a new style rs and pulling away from it till i missed 3rd gear i've no doubts he would have passed me anyway
#9: Re: Penneys 206 gti 180 Author: dan_206, Location: Bury St EdmundsPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:50 pm ---- Haha yeah I remember that. Some really nice and expensives cars go up there. You going again this year??
#10: Re: Penneys 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:54 pm ---- i'd like too, hopefully have the car running a little bit more power and see what difference there is
Of course these babys not going anywhere near curbs lol.
#12: Re: Penneys 206 gti 180 Author: dturbopeck, Location: newcastle upon tynePosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:56 pm ---- i sometime wish i got a blue one! nice car tho mate! Where abouts in northumberland you from?
#13: Re: Penneys 206 gti 180 Author: Jordan_xsi, Location: IpswichPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:10 pm ---- Very nice example, prefered the vortex's though!
i sometime wish i got a blue one! nice car tho mate! Where abouts in northumberland you from?
A little village called belford, it's not far from alnwick if you know where that is, I usually take the car down to sunderland on Sunday night as there's loads of people out
#15: Re: Penneys 206 gti 180 Author: DJ-, Location: UKPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:17 pm ---- Ha if my pro race 1.2's dont sell then they will be in my aegean too!
#16: Re: Penneys 206 gti 180 Author: dturbopeck, Location: newcastle upon tynePosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:21 pm ----
Mr.HGT wrote:
dturbopeck wrote:
i sometime wish i got a blue one! nice car tho mate! Where abouts in northumberland you from?
A little village called belford, it's not far from alnwick if you know where that is, I usually take the car down to sunderland on Sunday night as there's loads of people out
Yeah know alnwick well from my younger days, just wonderd if you where from my end, am from otterburn the other side of northumberland, live in wallsend these day!
Ha if my pro race 1.2's dont sell then they will be in my aegean too!
get them on
#18: Re: Penneys 206 gti 180 Author: JordGJ, Location: Leeds / West MidlandsPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:31 pm ---- i like this... 1.2s will be a good choice when its lower!
#19: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:03 am ---- looks good not a fan of the wheels but will defoo be quicker n stuff....power looks very high so good luck with your cams
#20: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:13 pm ---- Cheers, I'm not sure how accurate that rolling road was though as I've never heard of any 180's making that sort of power with only an exhaust and induction kit
#21: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:05 pm ---- never know buddy u might have a minter haha :-D....when they getting fitted? be good to get some track time at fcs im guna try go out with kyle aswell
#22: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:21 pm ---- Just sorting the last few details with the garage, will be updating soon with all the info,
Yh I really want to go to fcs but not sure if i'll male it yet
#24: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:36 pm ---- updated in original post
#25: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:27 pm ---- should get pug1off to do it buddy... they have been seriously helpful with me
#26: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 3:55 pm ---- like i say it's booked in with r s tuning now, plus i live about 300 mile away
rs tuning's far enough but i'v convinced the gf to make a hol out of it so were going to drop the car off on our way to her sisters house
#27: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:25 pm ---- updated in original post, comments welcome on carbon fibre door pillars
#28: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Ste, Location: Hull -or- The World Of Info CodePosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:46 pm ---- Are they real CF or CF Vinyl wrap? Either way they look good IMO
#29: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:53 pm ---- Looks sweet I was going to buy some the other day
Are they real CF or CF Vinyl wrap? Either way they look good IMO
cheers...there just vinyl wrap
kingdom200 wrote:
Looks sweet I was going to buy some the other day
cheers, i still have loads left so trying to find something else to wrap
i was thinkin of doin the mirror caps so they match the pillars but i'm not sure yet
#31: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:02 pm ---- nice early start in the morning...i'm dropping the car off at r.s tuning at 9 30 for the cams to be fitted, got a three hour drive to get there
will post results of the first power run as soon as i know them
nice early start in the morning...i'm dropping the car off at r.s tuning at 9 30 for the cams to be fitted, got a three hour drive to get there
will post results of the first power run as soon as i know them
hope this works buddy i really do.....il keep an eye on this
#33: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:11 am ---- Dropped the car off today then, stayed while it went on the rolling road and to my disappointment the car only made 161.2bhp.
They want me to try and get the standard airbox back on the car before they map it as Paul at rst doesn't think it's doing the car any favours
Dropped the car off today then, stayed while it went on the rolling road and to my disappointment the car only made 161.2bhp.
They want me to try and get the standard airbox back on the car before they map it as Paul at rst doesn't think it's doing the car any favours
Is this with the cams fitted????
#35: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:52 am ---- No,
161bhp was before the cams.go in and with the.induction kit on, I wanted a power run beforehand so I could see what gains I got with the cams.
I don't know what to expect with the cams fitted, I suppose getting it back around the 180 mark would be good but that seems like quite a lot to me.
#36: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:59 am ---- Mine climed 15bhp when it ran so you shouldnt be to far off the 180 Mark with a good map if not just above and I guess I depends how your vernier is set up
Dropped the car off today then, stayed while it went on the rolling road and to my disappointment the car only made 161.2bhp.
They want me to try and get the standard airbox back on the car before they map it as Paul at rst doesn't think it's doing the car any favours
look on the bright side - you have 1.1bhp more than my 1.4 Golf
Good luck with it, hope the final figure is worth it
Dropped the car off today then, stayed while it went on the rolling road and to my disappointment the car only made 161.2bhp.
They want me to try and get the standard airbox back on the car before they map it as Paul at rst doesn't think it's doing the car any favours
look on the bright side - you have 1.1bhp more than my 1.4 Golf
Good luck with it, hope the final figure is worth it
Woo 1.1bhp makes all the difference lol, I'm not too bothered about the figures as long as I can feel a difference and the car drives well,
I should be picking the car up this evening so I'm looking forward to that
#39: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Antix, Location: WorcesterPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:36 am ---- dyno figures and a brief 'first drive' summary required please
#40: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:51 am ---- It's amazing how they can get this done in a matter of days when mine has and is still taking months!!
#41: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:07 am ---- Does anyone know if the cams will need to bed in or is it just a case of once the cars warmed up floor it
#42: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Jamie, Location: Ring y0Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:35 am ---- Need bedding in, take it easy for first few hundred miles if I remember correctly.
#43: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:45 am ---- I was told you don't need to bed it in but it wouldn't hurt
#44: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:51 am ---- I always thought they needed bedded in but wondered how they manage on the rolling roads as they always rev the tits off them
I was told you don't need to bed it in but it wouldn't hurt
Na dont really need to bed in.
I would change the oil tho after done some miles.
#46: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:47 pm ---- Yeah, it's due an oil and filter change when I get it home anyway,
What would you recommend about 200 miles?
#47: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:30 pm ---- Well the car wasn't ready today, cams are fitted and just needing mapped, I can't get to the garage tomoro so hoping to pick it up on Saturday
#48: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 2:30 am ---- picked the car up on saturday evening, cams are fitted and car runs fine, no issues with idling at all but paul at rst can't get any power with the map.
the car has lost a lot of torque low down and only gained a little bit of power top end. the car is now running 165bhp which is a 4bhp increase
paul is phoning catcams on tuesday to see if we can get some answers, the car will be going back down eventually to be sorted, just need to find out what the next step is now
#49: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 12:07 pm ---- Are you set to much retard on cams when you doing timing for perfect idling?
#50: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 1:57 am ---- I'm not sure what there set at I can check on Tuesday when I phone him,
#51: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: jase123, Location: yorkshirePosted: Mon May 02, 2011 8:35 am ---- these cat cam's seem alot of money and trouble for so little gains. dont think its an investment am willing to make am gutted for you and kingdom
Are you set to much retard on cams when you doing timing for perfect idling?
thats what i said.... i think they have set the vernier up so it idles but dont gain power.....
and don't feel sorry for us... they will be working good and proper one day soon
#53: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 2:12 pm ---- Yeah, it's not finished yet, it'll be worth it once there running properly.
Question for dom and Kyle - do you have any issues with the oil temperature with the cams in, as a little bit of hard driving the other day with mine in and it seemed to heat up more than usual, the dial went up to about 110. It has only ever went up to 100 before when being pushed, is this just a result of the higher redline and the powerband being higher up the range maybe
Yeah, it's not finished yet, it'll be worth it once there running properly.
Question for dom and Kyle - do you have any issues with the oil temperature with the cams in, as a little bit of hard driving the other day with mine in and it seemed to heat up more than usual, the dial went up to about 110. It has only ever went up to 100 before when being pushed, is this just a result of the higher redline and the powerband being higher up the range maybe
Yes i have all so notise an increase in mine aswell but seems ok running.
And mine hit an 185.5bhp with no veriner and would not allways idle some time cutting out when i went rs tuning year and bit ago lol
#55: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 4:22 pm ---- hopefully the newly modified 804's work.... there down at pug1off at the moment so should be in this week and fingers crossed running 100% if they do chris you might want to check out some sort of recall etc......but Kyle i dont know if i would bother if i was you seen as yours works spot on
#56: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: .liam., Location: sunderlandPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:04 pm ---- nice car mate. shame you got rid of the vortex's.
#57: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: SAB206, Location: North WestPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:01 pm ---- Good read Will be interesting to see how the Cat Cams end up!
#58: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:07 pm ---- well rst didn't manage to get in touch with them yesterday or today so i'll be phoning again tomorrow to see if there's any news, i bought the cams second hand although they'd never been used so i dont know how i'd get on with a recall?
#59: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: .liam., Location: sunderlandPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 1:02 pm ---- i hope it makes 180 when it all gets sorted! im desperate to see how it goes when there working properly. you think it would come down to a recall?
#60: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 2:25 pm ---- it's looking that way as i think they've found a fault with the inlet cam
#61: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: MattyP, Location: PlymouthPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 1:35 am ---- interesting read and nice car Chris, Am interested into why when you were at santa pod it was running 178bhp and now with the catcams it's gone down to 165bhp? Have you thought about replacing the catcams with piper or kent cams?
#62: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: seanbmx, Location: farlington, portsmouthPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 2:37 am ---- nice motor mate loving those alloys
#63: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 6:44 am ----
MattyP wrote:
interesting read and nice car Chris, Am interested into why when you were at santa pod it was running 178bhp and now with the catcams it's gone down to 165bhp? Have you thought about replacing the catcams with piper or kent cams?
Cheap mobile dyno at Santa pod probably fixed to keep customers happy, then going to rst as far as I know there dyno is one of the best about but will also give you some of the lowest results, that's why I'm more bothered about the way the car drives than just a few numbers.
Also I've been speaking to Paul @ rst and he suggests we wait to see how those meet profile cam comes on in kingdoms car before we do anything to mine, encased they need to be exchanged.
Also checked to make sure they weren't retarded too much after someone suggested and there actually advanced 6 degrees which is what catcams told them to do
#64: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 7:24 am ---- Yeh just wait man. Catcams are working on the best solution so it might either be a complete new cam or a modified part to add on
#65: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: gti180boy, Location: StaffordPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 8:56 am ----
kingdom200 wrote:
Yeh just wait man. Catcams are working on the best solution so it might either be a complete new cam or a modified part to add on
I was told this aswell
So looks like we all have to wait lol wont be to long
#66: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:17 am ---- Hopefully, but I'm no good at waiting, I have no patience lol
#67: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Sat May 07, 2011 9:25 am ---- I didnt think I had either mate ( two montha later lol)
#68: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 12:26 pm ---- updated in original post with some new goodies
#69: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: .liam., Location: sunderlandPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 1:56 pm ---- standard air box should be good with that in. do you think the oil cooler will be an easy 1 to fit?
#70: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 2:32 pm ---- i'v not really looked at where i'm going to mount it yet but it seems fairly simple, oil filter comes off, sandwich plate on, 2 hoses from plate too cooler and filter screws onto the sandwich plate.
what could go wrong??
#71: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Jamie, Location: Ring y0Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 2:32 pm ---- How much were the hoses for the cooler out of interest?
#72: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 2:34 pm ---- i paid £150 for the full kit including postage, the braided hoses were extra but i was told they aren't as reliable
#73: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: gti180boy, Location: StaffordPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:15 pm ---- Chris it looks like that you will be needing to remove the inlet cat cam to get the cam machined and fit this new part / seal cat has come up with ( if it works )
Is rs tuning going to strip down your engine for you again?? for free and do this if the seal works on doms??? if not then if you wont to you could leave the car with me and i will remove the cam and get this done for you??
Let me know
Kyle
#74: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 1:23 pm ---- i doubt they would do it for free as it's not there problem that the parts are faulty and there's no problems with the work they done,
could you maybe pm me your phone number kyle so i could sort some stuff out?
#75: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: gti180boy, Location: StaffordPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 12:01 pm ---- i have pm you
#76: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 3:42 pm ---- any more news chris? i guess tomorrow we will find out the sitch with the cams if they arrive
#77: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 4:12 pm ---- Nah I'm still trying to fit my oil cooler at the minute which is turning into a nightmare, spoke to Kyle and he's happy to do the work on the car with the cams so we're just waiting to see if this new part will sort it on yours first before doing anything else.
keep me posted on any news from your end
#78: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 4:53 pm ---- yeh i will do mate i assume if they get it early morning and fit it tomorrow i should know what its like tomorrow night buddy so fingers crossed it works for one and two it feels a s**t lot more responsive
:-D..... f*** the dyno print outs im on your team from now on as long as it feels quicker i dont care what dyno says :-D...... how is yours running though? still feel slower than before?
#79: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 5:01 am ---- I wouldn't say its slower but having lost a bit of low down torque the slight gains top end don't make up for it at all,
#80: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:31 am ---- Well I'm about to set of on a 4 and a half hour drive to stafford and I'm dropping the car off with Kyle tomorrow morning for him to fit the cams then back to r s tuning on Monday for the mapping.. looking forward to getting this sorted once and for all
#81: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:25 pm ---- how did it go mate. Kyle told me you got some good results
#82: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:25 am ---- Updated original post with info on cams fitted and results from mapping and dyno printouts
kingdom200 wrote:
how did it go mate. Kyle told me you got some good results
yeah it got some good gains with the new inlet cam, kyle sorted the timing out as he said it was miles off
the car feels great to drive now although it has stalled a couple of time when the revs are dropping back down to idle while the engine is still cold...once it's warmed up its perfect though
#83: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst remap Author: Quarmbo, Location: Bristol & LeicesterPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:52 am ---- Chris - really pleased that you're happy with the results.
So, important question - how much has the whole process (cams, kyle, remap) cost (roughly), if you dont mind me asking.
#84: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst remap Author: Ali_H, Location: Chichester, SussexPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:56 am ---- It's a good gain but mine ran around 169.7bhp with just an induction kit at RST. I bet it feels a lot quicker to drive though.
Makes you wonder whether buying a 180 is a bit hit and miss with how powerful the engine is out the factory.
#85: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst r Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:07 am ---- Nice update mate, glad to see you stuck with it. There may be more to be had yet You have now seen how difficult it is to get more power out of the 180....
Chris - really pleased that you're happy with the results.
So, important question - how much has the whole process (cams, kyle, remap) cost (roughly), if you dont mind me asking.
i'm honestly scared to try an add it all up but it will be inbetween £1500 to £2000, they've basically been bought, genuine water pump bought, geniune belt bought, tensioner kit bought, fitted twice, and mapped
Ali_H wrote:
It's a good gain but mine ran around 169.7bhp with just an induction kit at RST. I bet it feels a lot quicker to drive though.
Makes you wonder whether buying a 180 is a bit hit and miss with how powerful the engine is out the factory.
yeah they do seem quite varied, kyle claims his is running 195bhp, dom is getting his done today i think so will see what his makes. i'v heard that the clio 172's all have hand picked manifolds so they are all alot more similar but the 180's just must get shoved together anyway they come
macj wrote:
Nice update mate, glad to see you stuck with it. There may be more to be had yet You have now seen how difficult it is to get more power out of the 180....
yeah cheers, i always wanted to hit that magic 200bhp mark whislt staying away from forced induction but it appears i'm along way off yet, i think lowering is next though before any extra power, and a few track sessions now the summers here
#87: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst remap Author: gti180boy, Location: StaffordPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:34 am ---- Hi chris am happy that you are happy good gain 16bhp and even running standed air system just panel filter. if you put a k@n typhoon on her i bet you hit around 185bhp easy.
yeah they do seem quite varied, kyle claims his is running 195bhp,
The last dyno i wont on to be truthfull i dont belive as it was very old and proberly way out but was nice seeing that on screen
But there is a place down road from me that has a new dyno so i be proping there soon to see what she does as she is now and then with a new lightern flywheel
#89: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst remap Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:44 am ---- Did you connect wideband on your exhaust pipe directly for AFR log. And why your AFR line isnt smooth. And I think 12 AFR is to much for N/A engine. As you can see when you going far from 13-13.5 AFR you are losing power. You have to fix you AFR 13-13.5 on full throttle.
#90: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst r Author: Schumi, Location: Istanbul / TurkeyPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:51 am ----
gti180boy wrote:
she is now and then with a new lightern flywheel
Photo and info about flywheel please. Is it lightened stock one or pug1off brand new cnc machined one.
#91: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst remap Author: Seabook, Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:16 pm ---- didn't see your car at RST, when did you go there?
Photo and info about flywheel please. Is it lightened stock one or pug1off brand new cnc machined one.
As you may know the gti 180 has a lightern flywheel standed compared to the gti 138 but still heavry.
Yes i will be buying a pug1off one as they alot lighter and iv seen a lightern flywheel on a 180 and revs like hell and i like it.
Iv spoken to couple people whos get them on there 206 rc's and they said dont lose power or torque at all just revs faster and get moving quicker and more responceive which am interested
here a vid to a 206 rc which lightern flywheel and cams and remap and exhaust and induction kit
Did you connect wideband on your exhaust pipe directly for AFR log. And why your AFR line isnt smooth. And I think 12 AFR is to much for N/A engine. As you can see when you going far from 13-13.5 AFR you are losing power. You have to fix you AFR 13-13.5 on full throttle.
The best AFR is 14.7... I had this issue with Atspeed recently who think an AFR of 12 is optimum and say my fuel map is all wrong when it is between 14.2 and 14.9.... I gave them the chance to map it themselves but I ended up loading my original map back on after 3 hrs as they couldnt get the engine to run on theirs
Dont expect the lighter flywheel to make a difference to a RR graph Kyle
Hi chris am happy that you are happy good gain 16bhp and even running standed air system just panel filter. if you put a k@n typhoon on her i bet you hit around 185bhp easy.
And you need janspeed exhaust on her aswell
Kyle
Yeah I'd love to get a janspeed on but as you pointed out, the tool that fitted my powerflow exhaust has cut the flanges off my cat
Seabook wrote:
didn't see your car at RST, when did you go there?
I was there on monday (4th July) from 1 oclock to around about half 2.
macj wrote:
Schumi wrote:
Did you connect wideband on your exhaust pipe directly for AFR log. And why your AFR line isnt smooth. And I think 12 AFR is to much for N/A engine. As you can see when you going far from 13-13.5 AFR you are losing power. You have to fix you AFR 13-13.5 on full throttle.
The best AFR is 14.7... I had this issue with Atspeed recently who think an AFR of 12 is optimum and say my fuel map is all wrong when it is between 14.2 and 14.9.... I gave them the chance to map it themselves but I ended up loading my original map back on after 3 hrs as they couldnt get the engine to run on theirs
Dont expect the lighter flywheel to make a difference to a RR graph Kyle
Not a lot of this makes sense to me I just thought it would be good to post up the air fuel ratio graphs for you lot that understand these things! if anyone would like to explain feel free!
Dont expect the lighter flywheel to make a difference to a RR graph Kyle
I know it wont really but i be interested to see if any thing changes.
#96: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst remap Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:03 pm ---- nice one chirs im happy for ya....... i got mine back today, shes a little dream..... we didn't get get down to RST because it was a new car with the cam in..... the bloke that did the old map came down and had a look and tweak and thought there was no need..... so im guessing im still running around 185 if not a little more from the exhaust.... however i no people say no no no no no but i say WHY NOT!!! im buying a decat! it works for every other car and i was speaking to matt at pug1off and there is no reason why should see gains all this back pressure stuff is a load of crap apparently.... and seen as no one has tried im actually going to stick it on the rollers before and after.
#97: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst remap Author: gti180boy, Location: StaffordPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:08 pm ---- And you could get a janspeed but you will have to take it to a custom exhaust place and get the to themto fit it becuase they have cut your exhaust and welded a different end on it to the standed one
So not end of the world just more time and money thanks to rogue traders and the exhaust you have now i dont think its really doing much really and to loud in my eyes
nice one chirs im happy for ya....... i got mine back today, shes a little dream..... we didn't get get down to RST because it was a new car with the cam in..... the bloke that did the old map came down and had a look and tweak and thought there was no need..... so im guessing im still running around 185 if not a little more from the exhaust.... however i no people say no no no no no but i say WHY NOT!!! im buying a decat! it works for every other car and i was speaking to matt at pug1off and there is no reason why should see gains all this back pressure stuff is a load of crap apparently.... and seen as no one has tried im actually going to stick it on the rollers before and after.
I agree really.
Dom am gona put the pug1off lightern flywheel in mine have you thight about doing this??
#99: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst remap Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:27 pm ---- i dont really want to spend any more money Kyle i think im going to put the money in the bank for bigger and better, i would say i have lost interest but i would be lying lol i just dont want to throw any more money away lol
i dont really want to spend any more money Kyle i think im going to put the money in the bank for bigger and better, i would say i have lost interest but i would be lying lol i just dont want to throw any more money away lol
Every one to there own i feel the same way some times about mine but the again i think well i be keeping the car for at while so spend away lol and have fun while i can.
And you could get a janspeed but you will have to take it to a custom exhaust place and get the to themto fit it becuase they have cut your exhaust and welded a different end on it to the standed one
So not end of the world just more time and money thanks to rogue traders and the exhaust you have now i dont think its really doing much really and to loud in my eyes
yeah i really want the exhaust changed to a performance one like the janspeed but it's all about money at the minute,
glad your happy dom...let me know how the decat works...i think bigrich180 has fitted one before and then removed it as he thought it was crap, you should ask him
#102: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst remap Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:49 pm ---- yeh i spoke to rich but his comparison was on a dyno against another 180 with the same mods without the decat and ran 1bhp more and had less torque but u cant compare like that at all yours ran 161bhp and mine ran 171bhp and we basically had the same mods so it makes no difference, i think this decat is going to work, it works for every other car and my theory is, if the 180 has a sports cat then back pressure is bulshit if it can cope with a sports cat it can cope with no cat...... there's a bloke from south africa who has one and he has great power, JE_180 has a sports cat and he thinks it mint! so yeh i think it should work and im going for it despite the massive crowed (who has never tryed it) says
yeh i spoke to rich but his comparison was on a dyno against another 180 with the same mods without the decat and ran 1bhp more and had less torque but u cant compare like that at all yours ran 161bhp and mine ran 171bhp and we basically had the same mods so it makes no difference, i think this decat is going to work, it works for every other car and my theory is, if the 180 has a sports cat then back pressure is bulshit if it can cope with a sports cat it can cope with no cat...... there's a bloke from south africa who has one and he has great power, JE_180 has a sports cat and he thinks it mint! so yeh i think it should work and im going for it despite the massive crowed (who has never tryed it) says
Yeah if you wont it go for it as its your car.
but yeah chris tuning the bloody 180's does costs alot money lol Last edited by gti180boy on Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:08 pm; edited 1 time in total
yeh i spoke to rich but his comparison was on a dyno against another 180 with the same mods without the decat and ran 1bhp more and had less torque but u cant compare like that at all yours ran 161bhp and mine ran 171bhp and we basically had the same mods so it makes no difference, i think this decat is going to work, it works for every other car and my theory is, if the 180 has a sports cat then back pressure is bulshit if it can cope with a sports cat it can cope with no cat...... there's a bloke from south africa who has one and he has great power, JE_180 has a sports cat and he thinks it mint! so yeh i think it should work and im going for it despite the massive crowed (who has never tryed it) says
Yeah if you wont it go for it as its your car.
but yeah chris tuning the bloody 180's does cast alot money lol
Did you connect wideband on your exhaust pipe directly for AFR log. And why your AFR line isnt smooth. And I think 12 AFR is to much for N/A engine. As you can see when you going far from 13-13.5 AFR you are losing power. You have to fix you AFR 13-13.5 on full throttle.
The best AFR is 14.7... I had this issue with Atspeed recently who think an AFR of 12 is optimum and say my fuel map is all wrong when it is between 14.2 and 14.9.... I gave them the chance to map it themselves but I ended up loading my original map back on after 3 hrs as they couldnt get the engine to run on theirs
Dont expect the lighter flywheel to make a difference to a RR graph Kyle
The theretical best AFR for power is 12.7:1 14.7:1 is lambda one and perfect for part throttle driving.
In reality engine modern engines will make more power with a leaner mixture but anything less than 13:1 leaves you scarily close to det/melting problems!
TU5J4 race engines are happy at 13.1:1 on full throttle but thats as lean as Id ever give one back to a customer.......
Did you connect wideband on your exhaust pipe directly for AFR log. And why your AFR line isnt smooth. And I think 12 AFR is to much for N/A engine. As you can see when you going far from 13-13.5 AFR you are losing power. You have to fix you AFR 13-13.5 on full throttle.
The best AFR is 14.7... I had this issue with Atspeed recently who think an AFR of 12 is optimum and say my fuel map is all wrong when it is between 14.2 and 14.9.... I gave them the chance to map it themselves but I ended up loading my original map back on after 3 hrs as they couldnt get the engine to run on theirs
Dont expect the lighter flywheel to make a difference to a RR graph Kyle
The theretical best AFR for power is 12.7:1 14.7:1 is lambda one and perfect for part throttle driving.
In reality engine modern engines will make more power with a leaner mixture but anything less than 13:1 leaves you scarily close to det/melting problems!
TU5J4 race engines are happy at 13.1:1 on full throttle but thats as lean as Id ever give one back to a customer.......
So is the afr shown on my graphs ok?
#108: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst r Author: macj, Location: EssexPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:19 pm ---- Seems fine to me mate... bit rich low down in the rev range but hey..... I am sure you will get it sorted on your next mapping session
I am assuming that as my plugs are a nice brown and my exhaust is black.... that I am running miles too weak for a car on 45mm T/B`s
#109: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst remap Author: Chris180, Location: northumberlandPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:58 pm ---- Is it possible to fit itb's on the 180 and still be able to drive it on the road easily enough, I ask this as I know Jamie was attempting this but give up in the end
#110: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst remap Author: kingdom200, Location: Leamington SpaPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:24 pm ---- Yeh but you loose your traction control and stuff as obvs it's cable few lads next to me had them and there all road cars
I think no. Just analyz your graph. When your AFR peak near to 13 you will have more power. Your graph isnt smooth. Some power rise and down. All rise point showing near 13 afr. And all power down showing near 12 afr. My english is bad but i think you will see in that graph. That is just non smooth and to safe map for me. And that is another point. What is your ignition status. How advance your ignition. I think your country fuel quality more better than us. So you can take more advance on your engine. Advance also change your AFR. So if your tuner have knock tune kit or headphones for knock listen first all off find your max point of advance on full throttle. And recheck you AFR. I think you need 4 dyno run.
@Macj. 14.7 is just theretical value. Some engines love rich and some engines love lean AFR. We find 13-13.5 value is best hp & torq balanced AFR on EW10J4 on standalone ecu.
#112: Re: Chris's 206 gti 180 - CatCams 804's vernier pulley rst remap Author: gti180boy, Location: StaffordPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:31 pm ---- Iv looked at my AFR from th elast time i went rs tuning and it starts at 14.1 then drops down to 11.5 at 3300 rpm and then go's up to 14.5 @ 4000 rpm intill 7000 rpm
Iv looked at my AFR from th elast time i went rs tuning and it starts at 14.1 then drops down to 11.5 at 3300 rpm and then go's up to 14.5 @ 4000 rpm intill 7000 rpm
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although still prefere the votex over pro race buts that's my opinion lol. 
i've no doubts he would have passed me anyway
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