#1: Gearbox replacement??? Author: mikey101, Location: CoventryPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:21 am ---- Hi people. 6 months ago the release bearing on the clutch went... Clutch was replaced... Last week I heard again the similar noise, and it was release bearing again so the garage fixed it under warranty (2 year parts warranty)... The garage are now telling me the release bearing went AS A RESULT of a faulty gearbox and it could be a matter of time till it happens again...
Does this seem right?
And also I have a Peugeot 206 1.6 Xsi 2003 and have found the following gearbox:
I've called the guy and it came from a 206 Xsi on a year 2000... Should it fit???
I know its a difficult one but any help MUCH appreciated!!
Thankss
#2: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:44 am ---- there isnt much inside the gearbox which could cause the clutch release bearing to go. it slides up and down the input shaft of the gearbox but doesn't actually go inside the casting so i cant see how the gearbox caused it, to be honest it sounds like the garage trying to put the blame on the car rather than bad fitment. get them to repair it and try it again, if it happens again then it needs looking into. i personally don't buy the gearbox caused it though if it goes into all the gears fine then it doesn't need replacing
#3: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: mikey101, Location: CoventryPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:01 am ---- Thanks giveitsomebar. Sorry I forgot to mention I dropped it off yesterday and they called me today saying its ready so just waiting for my lift to go garage. They stated that it is still a bit noisy but I just gotta see how bad it is... Yeh I wondered if anyone would honestly think that the gearbox (or something in it) would cause the release bearing to go. Because when I had the fault , I would put it in neutral upon idle and there would be the noise of the release bearing and then when I press the clutch it would go away and so on. So how is that the cause of the gearbox! and yes mate the gearbox is as smooth as and always has been.
#4: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: awirnok, Location: LithuaniaPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:13 am ---- I have the same problem. When I press a pedal clutch, low noise goes away, but when I release a pedal, noise comes back. In foreign language forum people said that is problem with gearbox and with bearing of initial roller in it. So I thought that in the future I will change used gearbox because to fix this problem is very expensive. Half of price is outgoing and ingoing of gearbox.
Sometimes I must push first gear and sometimes I turn back gear not in first time. But this is problem with gearbox too.
#5: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: Lee180, Location: ScunthorpePosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:49 am ---- is there a slight judder when setting off ?
#6: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: awirnok, Location: LithuaniaPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:03 am ---- What do You mean setting off? What setting?
#7: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:05 am ---- he means does the car judder when you start driving in first gear from the stopped position
#8: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: awirnok, Location: LithuaniaPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:27 am ---- In my case there is a little bit of judder, but I did'not take so much attention that I feel it strongly.
Must I feel it strongly? And how this judder can cause components of car in the future?
When I am in a stopped position and accelerate pedal to 1k rpm and steering wheel make some judder. But with little experience I think that is pillow's (bag in sides of engine) fault.
#9: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:29 am ---- ? there arnt any pillows in my engine lol
#10: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: awirnok, Location: LithuaniaPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:49 am ---- I don't know correct name of these components.
They keep engine in one position and do'not let to move and to judder.
#11: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:54 am ---- engine mounts?
#12: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: awirnok, Location: LithuaniaPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:06 pm ---- Yes. Different cars have different types.
#13: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: mikey101, Location: CoventryPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:31 pm ---- Hi all, no juddering for me btw. I got the car back from the garage, and they confirmed that a new gearbox is due... Unfortunate but what can you do. The noise is that one of the bearings or something like that has worn within the gearbox and it is causing this noise. It is not dangerous nor does it have to be fixed immediately, and performance is not affected, BUT its my car and MUST fix it! lol. So after shopping around for the day for quotes, a trusted garage from where I lowered my car has got further contacts who will RECONDITION the gearbox on Friday for £195 + £150 labour charge from the garage to take it out and fit it back in... So for £350 a gearbox as good as new with 6 months warranty is where it doesn't sound too bad! And i have got a new full clutch kit for free today too, so by Saturday should be good as new is when I will pick it up after dropping off Friday morning.
I keep you all updated, but just hoping this £350 will be all worth it and hope the noise goes away The garage that I got the car back FROM today were 100% sure the noise was the gearbox... They opened it up etcc and inspected it fully, and I have read on forums that if it is NOT the release bearing from the clutch, it is almost certainly the gearbox. Fingers crossed!
#14: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:20 pm ---- it will be layshaft bearings then. a bit of a rare one not heard of a 206 with this problem before !
#15: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: mikey101, Location: CoventryPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:30 am ---- that in the gearbox giveitsomebar?? it should be. i am 100% sure now that a new gearbox will fix my problem having took advice from various garages yesterday and other forums on the net.
#16: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: giveitsomebar, Location: redditchPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:19 am ---- yeah it is mate, its rare they go but its the shaft / gear which spins when its in neutral.
its always good to be 100% sure about the problem, alot of people just take the garages word for gospel and think they wont get ripped off because it wont happen to them, but there is alot of garages out there who dont quite tell the truth when it comes to problems.
good luck with it shame it become such an expensive problem!
#17: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: mikey101, Location: CoventryPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:26 am ---- yeh thanks mate, well it HAS to be the layshaft within the gearbox taking into account that I've got a new clutch kit just installed. The car is now at the garage and hoping to get it back either end of 2moro or Saturday. If this money goes to waste I will be furious and will just give up
#18: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: mikey101, Location: CoventryPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:17 pm ---- *** PROBLEM SOLVED ***
Got the car back Friday after the gearbox was installed, and I am pleased to inform you guys on the 206info website that the car is as good as new. I am pleased with myself as I took a gamble by relying on my instinct and other advice from few garages to go ahead with the decision to recondition the gearbox in a job that totalled £350 (STILL CHEAP)... So yehh, delighted!
:) It's been half a week since had it done but drove it plenty and yeh touch wood no other problems with this French pile of ... beauty haha take care all and thanks for the advice offered anyhow
#19: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: roberto.f, Location: Coventry/ManchesterPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:02 pm ---- Out of interest which garage did you use?
Was it the same garage that reconditioned the gearbox?
#20: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: mikey101, Location: CoventryPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:39 am ---- No the person that reconditioned the gearbox was up in Wolverhampton near the Dunstall Park, and the garage I used just took the gearbox out and in again after the gearbox had been repaired mate.
So; went to ma garage in Coventry to take the gearbox out, took it up to Wolves the next day, then he had completed the job within 40mins - extremely quick I know, then headed back down to drop the gearbox back off to the garage to fit, done all in one day and away I go.
nice! I'm happy with it!
#21: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: sp5flys, Location: norfolkPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:15 am ---- just reading the convos my car had a clutch replaced a few weeks ago now there a judder when moving off, and its also hard to get in gear 1 and reserves anyone got any idea
#22: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: pike, Location: n irelandPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:25 pm ----
sp5flys wrote:
just reading the convos my car had a clutch replaced a few weeks ago now there a judder when moving off, and its also hard to get in gear 1 and reserves anyone got any idea
Had this probably when i changed the clutch on my carlton back in the early 90's . The clutch kit was one of those cheap and cheerful job's , That as it turned out ,had weak fingers on the pressure plate , when compared to an OEM spec kit .
#23: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: hebby, Location: oldhamPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:28 am ---- I have the same problem with the noise when pressing the clutch and am sure its the release baring as i only just had a second hand gearbox in just before xmas. plus the gearbox i had in before was making a louder noise than the noise i have now and the main shaft was knackered.
so now i think its time for a release baring or just a full kit if it still makes the noise then off for a gearbox it is.
I have the same problem with the noise when pressing the clutch and am sure its the release baring as i only just had a second hand gearbox in just before xmas. plus the gearbox i had in before was making a louder noise than the noise i have now and the main shaft was knackered.
so now i think its time for a release baring or just a full kit if it still makes the noise then off for a gearbox it is.
Yes mate, just a word of advice; if there is like a whirring sound when clutch up and goes away when you press the clutch = gearbox layshaft bearing,
On the other hand if there is loud sqealing when the clutch is pressed DOWN and goes away when the clutch is up = the clutch release bearing
#25: Re: Gearbox replacement??? Author: Matt, Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:22 pm ---- I have a problem with my clutch/gearbox also. I started getting a strange noise this afternoon on my way home from work. It sounds like when you put those things on your spokes when you were a kid.
Any ideas?
It does it in neutral/coasting and goes when I put the gas down. It also appears to get louder and quicker the faster I go.
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The garage that I got the car back FROM today were 100% sure the noise was the gearbox... They opened it up etcc and inspected it fully, and I have read on forums that if it is NOT the release bearing from the clutch, it is almost certainly the gearbox. Fingers crossed!
nice! I'm happy with it!
