#1: Urgent electrical fault Author: gavlar83, Location: walsallPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:15 pm ---- hi im new to the forums,im needing help with an electrical problem with my 206,i was fitting my new stereo an 2 wires tocuhed,now the car wont start,it turns but wont spark,also the wipers dont work the indicators are not working and the side lights cum on wihtout me turning them on but high beam wont work an the sidelights only go off when i take the key out,iv tried the fuses under the bonnet and the drivers side,i really need help i have work wednesday and need my car sorted asap,any help would b massively apreciated,thankyou
#2: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:17 pm ---- What year is your 206?
You have either:
Blown a fuse.
Crashed the BSI software.
Fried the BSI.
#3: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:18 pm ---- You should ALWAYS ALWAYS disconnect the battery prior to messing with electrics. You wanna hope that you haven't fried the BSI!
Check EVERY fuse in the drivers fuse box, and EVERY fuse in the engine fuse box. Disconnect the battery correctly before removing the fuses.
If the fuses are fine, then I'm afraid its multimeter and wire tracing time
#4: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:19 pm ----
Lee wrote:
If the fuses are fine, then I'm afraid its multimeter and wire tracing time
More like bend over & get the Vaseline out time
Fingers crossed it aint a fried BSI unit
#5: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:22 pm ---- I'd wire trace first before shelling out about £700
#6: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:24 pm ---- Peugeot planet time
#7: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: gavlar83, Location: walsallPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:31 pm ---- thanx for the info the year is 2004,and how do i find the bsi?and what do u mean by trace the wires?im know how to fit a stereo but thats about it,lol thanx
#8: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:32 pm ---- Obviously you don't otherwise this problem wouldn't have happened.
Try rebooting the BSI [click my sig], and check all the fuses
#9: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:34 pm ----
gavlar83 wrote:
thanx for the info the year is 2004,and how do i find the bsi?and what do u mean by trace the wires?im know how to fit a stereo but thats about it,lol thanx
Shut the BSI down CORRECTLY.
Check ALL the fuses.
Boot it back up & cross your fingers.
A multiplexed 206 doesnt like people fiddling with its electrical systems while there live, if your lucky its gonna be a simple / cheap fix plus a lesson learned
#10: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:34 pm ---- It sounds like a fuse, mine did the same thing one night while driving down a dark road lol
#11: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: gavlar83, Location: walsallPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:36 pm ---- i have checked the fuses in under the bonnet and drivers side is there anymore?
#12: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: paulrushton, Location: HuddersfieldPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:38 pm ---- Have a look in your handbook and see if any of the systems not working are on the same fuse.
#13: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:39 pm ----
gavlar83 wrote:
i have checked the fuses in under the bonnet and drivers side is there anymore?
Nope, & you shouldnt be playing with any of the fues if the battery is still connected as you can damage the BSI unit if you havent already.
BSI needs to be shut down correctly before you do any more damage.
#14: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:44 pm ----
#16: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:51 pm ---- On tonights menu:
Fried BSI unit
#17: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: gavlar83, Location: walsallPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:21 pm ---- i have followed the procedure on rebooting the bsi and nothings changed,someone mentioned finding a wire?is that a possiblity?
#19: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:30 pm ---- If your 100% sure the fuses are ok & the BSI has been rebooted correctly then either:
Get it towed to the Peugeot main dealer / someone with Peugeot Planet diagnostic kit.
Multiplexing bites if you dont know what your messing around with
#20: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:42 pm ---- I'll bet a million pounds its a blown fuse. Did you take them out and check each fuse, or just look by eye? Do you know which is the Stereo fuse?
I would have thought Lee and Mr.BSI would have told you which one it was!
#21: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:49 pm ----
Steve206 wrote:
I'll bet a million pounds its a blown fuse. Did you take them out and check each fuse, or just look by eye? Do you know which is the Stereo fuse?
I would have thought Lee and Mr.BSI would have told you which one it was!
Fuse list is:
On the forum.
On the Peugeot website in the online owners manuals.
In the owner's handbook that comes with the car.
How much more hand holding do people want
#22: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: gavlar83, Location: walsallPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:51 pm ---- i took the fuses out 1 by 1 an checked em correctly,looks like im gonna av to dip into my back pocket
#23: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:53 pm ---- Not only that, but if he's short circuited the electric system, it could have blown any fuse as the power surge could have gone anywhere. Was his own daft fault for not disconnecting the battery.
#24: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:54 pm ----
gavlar83 wrote:
i took the fuses out 1 by 1 an checked em correctly,looks like im gonna av to dip into my back pocket
You did have the BSI shut down correctly & battery disconnected BEFORE you pulled any fuses?
You wouldnt pull plugs out from inside your computer while its powered up, a multiplexed 206 is no different.
Its a software driven digital CAN VAN electrical system controlled by the BSI unit ( Built in Systems Interface which is the main brain )
#25: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:57 pm ---- Or in layman's terms, you wouldn't have open heart surgery wide awake, you'd be knocked out
#26: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: gavlar83, Location: walsallPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:58 pm ---- im new to peugeot and have only had it 3 days,i didnt realise they were this technical,i think iv messed it up by trying to do it myself,im just gnna have to get sumone whoknows what they r doing to have a proper look,thanks for helping anyway.and lee iv made a mistake hasnt everyone?so lay off with the attitude!!
#27: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:59 pm ---- Electrics is electrics. You should always disconnect the power, its common sense.
Electrics is electrics. You should always disconnect the power, its common sense.
just like you won't change a light bulb when the circuit is live
#29: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:03 pm ---- Exactly what wires have been touched?
Did you test the fuses with a test meter or did you just look at them?
#30: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: gavlar83, Location: walsallPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:13 pm ---- i jus looked at them,i touched the red and green and yellow together,the rac is looking it over now so hopefully he will find the fault,and nothingt costly hopefully
#31: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:15 pm ---- That should just be a fuse then. You've just hit the +12v [perm live] with the earth.
Just check all the fuses properly
Fuse 4, 6 and 16 in the drivers fusebox would be the first points of call.
#32: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: gavlar83, Location: walsallPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:38 pm ---- rac just checked over everything an he said it must b the bsi
#33: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:40 pm ----
gavlar83 wrote:
rac just checked over everything an he said it must b the bsi
Ouch
Give BBA a call tomorrow, they can test / repair BSI units & there repairs also come with a warranty.
Your looking a minimum of £400 if it has to go to a Peugeot main dealer for a new BSI
Finger's crossed BBA can work there magic for you & save you a large repair bill.
#34: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: gavlar83, Location: walsallPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:12 pm ---- thanks alot for the info and help much apreciated
#35: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:37 pm ---- there was a thread on here real recently where a member pulled a fuze when live and wiped the bsi and ecu. it gave simular effects to what your experiencing. cost over a grand to get it fixed!. always unplug electrics before you start pulling fuses etc i hope its not that expensive for u though!
Not only that, but if he's short circuited the electric system, it could have blown any fuse as the power surge could have gone anywhere. Was his own daft fault for not disconnecting the battery.
Easy on the head biting! people come on here for advice! not to be eaten for dinner...
#37: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:35 pm ---- Did you tell him you suspected the BSI before he concluded it is the BSI?
I'm not under-estimating the RAC man's experience and knowledge but;
Before shelling-out the dosh get a multimeter and shut-down the BSI properly and disconect the battery, then
check for continuity (zero ohms reading) of each and every fuse in both compartments including and especialy
the manufacturers' large size fuses. Sometimes they look OK to the eye but are infact blown which could be the issue.
Also make sure they are all in the correct position by refering to the appropriate fuse list for your vehicle.
Hope that helps and good luck.
#38: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: gavlar83, Location: walsallPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:38 am ---- just to let everyone no,the rac was due to take the car this morning,but i thought i would put the old stereo back in just to c what happend,and what do u know it started first time,im not sure whats happend or if there is an imobiliser tat reacts to the stereo but its all fine now,thank god quick question will 17 inch alloys fit on a 206 without spacers?im looking at sum on ebay all it says is the size which is 205.45.17 i asked the seller and he said they should fit,just wanted to ask people who no what they are talking about first tho,thanks alot
#39: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:43 am ---- There are some VAN multiplex network wires to the back of the stereo that link it to the BSI & also the display.
But the car should work fine with the factory radio unplugged.
17" wheels can kill the MA gearbox.
15" are ideal, 16" are pushing it but ok if treated gently with the right size tyres on.
Bit of advice: On any car in the furture if you find pairs of wires twisted together leave them well alone as they are CAN wires
#40: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:52 am ---- That has shocked me. All multiplexed headunits run via the BSI, but they don't normally stop the car from working.
If your wanting a aftermarket headunit, then just get the headunit turned off in the BSI settings
#41: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: gavlar83, Location: walsallPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:04 am ----
Lee wrote:
That has shocked me. All multiplexed headunits run via the BSI, but they don't normally stop the car from working.
If your wanting a aftermarket headunit, then just get the headunit turned off in the BSI settings
i hadnt even heard of a bsi till last night s i dont no how to turn the headunit off,iv learnt my lesson anyway i think,im either gonna sell all my stereo stuff an leave the standard 1 in or get it installed at halfords or sumthing,i aint messing with it again,i was well devastated last night |: how cum 17,s kill the gearbox mrbsi?iv seen quiet a few with 17s on,15s dont look to good either on a 206 but ill take your advice and go with 16s i think
#42: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:10 am ---- Go to peugeot or someone with the dealer software, and just get it turned off.
It's gotta be how it was installed, never heard of a aftermarket headunit making a car not start.
Could always try a fresh install with the battery off.
The MA gearbox is weak, and the extra weight from 17's can take its toll after time
#43: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: gavlar83, Location: walsallPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:11 am ----
Lee wrote:
Go to peugeot or someone with the dealer software, and just get it turned off.
It's gotta be how it was installed, never heard of a aftermarket headunit making a car not start.
Could always try a fresh install with the battery off.
The MA gearbox is weak, and the extra weight from 17's can take its toll after time
ok thanks lee
#44: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:13 am ---- If the ISO plugs are connected correctly with the adaptor if needed then the aftermarket stereo should be fine.
You will have to reboot the BSI or unplug then reconnect the multi function display to unfreeze it.
What size engine 206 is it?
Any petrol 1.6 or smaller & the 1.4 HDi use the MA gearbox, this was never designed for such large alloy wheels, fitting 17" on a MA box is like owning a hand grenade with the pin removed
#45: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:14 am ----
Lee wrote:
It's gotta be how it was installed, never heard of a aftermarket headunit making a car not start.
Its normally the blown fuse by careless installation that causes the non start problem
#46: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: DeadEyePaul, Location: Rugby,WarwickshirePosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:19 am ---- I am happy for you that you found out it was the new head unit causing problems
#47: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: gavlar83, Location: walsallPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:50 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
If the ISO plugs are connected correctly with the adaptor if needed then the aftermarket stereo should be fine.
You will have to reboot the BSI or unplug then reconnect the multi function display to unfreeze it.
What size engine 206 is it?
Any petrol 1.6 or smaller & the 1.4 HDi use the MA gearbox, this was never designed for such large alloy wheels, fitting 17" on a MA box is like owning a hand grenade with the pin removed
its a 1.1 will the 16 inch nimrod wheels fit without any hassle do u think?
#48: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: gavlar83, Location: walsallPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:51 am ----
DeadEyePaul wrote:
I am happy for you that you found out it was the new head unit causing problems
thanks mate
#49: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: gavlar83, Location: walsallPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:55 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
Lee wrote:
It's gotta be how it was installed, never heard of a aftermarket headunit making a car not start.
Its normally the blown fuse by careless installation that causes the non start problem
i nevr actually had the aftermarket stereo installed,as soon as the wires touched i took the stereo out and taped the wires up thinking idblown a fuse,then i went to go to the shop to et sum and it wudnt start,there was no stereo in when i tryed to start it
#50: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: PugJH, Location: NorthantsPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:56 am ---- woah woah woah, my cars running 15's and i think they look pretty nice tbh.
As for the bsi, your lucky, unsure how the car wouldnt start after fitting another HU, must have plugged the wrong wires into the wrong place or something, not electrically minded in that way.
Quick question, is the HU brand new?
#51: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: DeadEyePaul, Location: Rugby,WarwickshirePosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:58 am ----
gavlar83 wrote:
its a 1.1 will the 16 inch nimrod wheels fit without any hassle do u think?
Yeah no probably's but be aware they are non standard to your car and you will need to inform insurance. Also the wheel arch gap will raise slightly and you will eventually want it lowered.
#52: Re: Urgent electrical fault Author: Edward, Location: In the garagePosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:59 am ---- I remember back in 2003 when the 180 first came out. A fair few people were slotting aftermarket stereos in them and the car wouldn't work afterwards...
It's gotta be how it was installed, never heard of a aftermarket headunit making a car not start.
Its normally the blown fuse by careless installation that causes the non start problem
i nevr actually had the aftermarket stereo installed,as soon as the wires touched i took the stereo out and taped the wires up thinking idblown a fuse,then i went to go to the shop to et sum and it wudnt start,there was no stereo in when i tryed to start it
If you were trying to start it without a radio attached, then it could be the reason why its wasn't starting, as circuits in the BSI weren't complete.
woah woah woah, my cars running 15's and i think they look pretty nice tbh.
As for the bsi, your lucky, unsure how the car wouldnt start after fitting another HU, must have plugged the wrong wires into the wrong place or something, not electrically minded in that way.
Quick question, is the HU brand new?
i had it about 8 months,i installed it in my clio first then when i sold it i went to put it in the 206
woah woah woah, my cars running 15's and i think they look pretty nice tbh.
As for the bsi, your lucky, unsure how the car wouldnt start after fitting another HU, must have plugged the wrong wires into the wrong place or something, not electrically minded in that way.
Quick question, is the HU brand new?
i had it about 8 months,i installed it in my clio first then when i sold it i went to put it in the 206
i do think 15,s look nice but i had 15,s on my 106 so i tought 16,s or 17,s would b better on a 206 with it bein bigger an all
It's gotta be how it was installed, never heard of a aftermarket headunit making a car not start.
Its normally the blown fuse by careless installation that causes the non start problem
i nevr actually had the aftermarket stereo installed,as soon as the wires touched i took the stereo out and taped the wires up thinking idblown a fuse,then i went to go to the shop to et sum and it wudnt start,there was no stereo in when i tryed to start it
If you were trying to start it without a radio attached, then it could be the reason why its wasn't starting, as circuits in the BSI weren't complete.
i think thats the reason,mayb should av mentioned that last night,lol
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i hope its not that expensive for u though!
quick question will 17 inch alloys fit on a 206 without spacers?im looking at sum on ebay all it says is the size which is 205.45.17 i asked the seller and he said they should fit,just wanted to ask people who no what they are talking about first tho,thanks alot 
