#1: How much damage have I done? Author: Sheedy1592, Location: NewportPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:53 am ---- car: 2000 1.1 lx preplexed
Basically i had flat battery, went to charge it and had my charger on 24V by mistake. Connected it or around 20 seconds before realising my mistake!
Now i charged it on 12V to get it going and goes fine. Only thing is, fan wont go off and interior light/radio don't work.
No fuses blown :S
#2: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:55 am ---- did you not disconnect the negative terminal of the car before charging the battery?!?!
#3: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:59 am ---- Should be fine, i did it with my battery, also depends on how long you did it for?
#4: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Sheedy1592, Location: NewportPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:01 am ---- didnt charge it, just boosted it. I think should be fine yes, but i cant explain constant fan and lack of interior light
#5: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:09 am ---- are you certain the fuses arnt blown, sometimes they can look good when they arnt. also have you tried disconnecting it again and letting the power drain out of the systems before reconnecting it. oh i thought your first post said you were charging it?
#6: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Deceitful, Location: Leigh, Tonbridge, KentPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:12 am ---- 99% it will be the fuses, a fuse' purpose is to break when there's a surge in the circuit im sure this what has happened, get a multi meter on each end of the fuses one by one, now it could be time consuming but auto electricans charge upwards of £50 per hour so could be a costly bill just to find out its a 9pence fuse
#7: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Sheedy1592, Location: NewportPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:14 am ---- i have checked all the fuses, admitably not with multimeter, but removed and visually inspected everyone all fine
#8: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Deceitful, Location: Leigh, Tonbridge, KentPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:19 am ---- dude!! seriously visual checks fail! i had this problem and there was a slight break in one and it was near on impossible to see
#9: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Sheedy1592, Location: NewportPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:21 am ---- will be getting the multimete rout later, do i just take them out and do a continuity test on the fuse then?
#10: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:35 am ---- Fuses usually blow via amps, this is voltage
There a relays and obv you radio only like 12v may have FUBAR'ed them as there electronics in them, could have fried the ECU and BSI
#11: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Sheedy1592, Location: NewportPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:37 am ---- how can i check a relay? Im not too worried about radio, just wish i could get fan to go off.
#12: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:39 am ---- You sure its on constanly and not just because its meant to be?
#13: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Sheedy1592, Location: NewportPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:47 am ---- yes i disconnected battery for 15 mins and as soon as touched terminals, it came to life. could i have fried a sensor?
#14: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:48 am ---- possibly, either a sensor, relay or ECU
#15: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:50 am ---- the fans on even when the keys out? that is odd lol
#16: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Sheedy1592, Location: NewportPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:58 am ---- thats what i though
#17: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:03 am ---- What year is your pug Sheedy?
Possible ECU/BSI damage am afraid.
You could try a BSI reset and hope for the best I suppose.
#18: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Sheedy1592, Location: NewportPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:05 am ---- 2000, preplexed
#19: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:06 am ---- Ah, I don't know if you can reset on non-multiplexed BSI.
#20: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:09 am ---- You might need to contact these guys in the end: www.bba-reman.com/uk/index.aspx
#21: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Sheedy1592, Location: NewportPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:11 am ---- thanks for heads up
#22: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:38 am ---- if i were you i would leave it for a while and see if it goes off. it it doesnt, leave it unplugged over night and see in the morning, sounds like rubbish i know but its worked for me before. I had a 307 once that went nuts, indicators flashing, wouldnt unlock, then unlocked itself etc, left it overnight doing insane things, and it was fine in the morning, never had trouble since. it might be that if you leave it for a few hours the fan will go off? hard to say though because i dont know whats causing it to be on in the first place.
#23: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Sheedy1592, Location: NewportPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:56 am ---- ive heard crazy ideas work before. how can i disconnect ECU?
#24: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:51 pm ---- I think he means dis-connect the battery overnight.
Worth a try.
#25: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:50 pm ---- yeh i mean leave the battery disconnected over night to let every capacitor etc flatten right down
#26: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: MNARAA, Location: In a traffic jamPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:14 pm ----
Mattie-DS3 wrote:
Fuses usually blow via amps, this is voltage
V = IR.
Resistance is a property of the circuit and will have stayed the same, therefore if voltage went up so did current.
#27: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: panason1c, Location: SomersetPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:05 am ---- You've more likely only 'fried' the fan relay, find the fusebox and unplug the relays one by one until the fan stops, the relay that you unplug and causes the fan to stop is the one that needs renewing.
#28: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Kersh, Location: Bridgnorth, Nr WolverhamptonPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:15 am ---- its french, punch the fan and see what happens
worked on my old HDi with practically any electrical problem
#29: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Sheedy1592, Location: NewportPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:17 am ----
Kersh wrote:
its french, punch the fan and see what happens
worked on my old HDi with practically any electrical problem
got to be careful, its french, high possibility will disintegrate
#30: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Kersh, Location: Bridgnorth, Nr WolverhamptonPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:21 am ----
Sheedy1592 wrote:
Kersh wrote:
its french, punch the fan and see what happens
worked on my old HDi with practically any electrical problem
got to be careful, its french, high possibility will disintegrate
more likely the suspension will start knocking or a wheel will fall off
#31: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:45 am ----
Kersh wrote:
its french, punch the fan and see what happens
Punching in the right place works on all forklifts as well
#32: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:47 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
Kersh wrote:
its french, punch the fan and see what happens
Punching in the right place works on all forklifts as well
However testing it while your finger is in the housing isn't a good idea. Just ask Ed
#33: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:48 am ----
CD-vRS wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
Kersh wrote:
its french, punch the fan and see what happens
Punching in the right place works on all forklifts as well
However testing it while your finger is in the housing isn't a good idea. Just ask Ed
Ouch
#34: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:22 am ----
panason1c wrote:
You've more likely only 'fried' the fan relay, find the fusebox and unplug the relays one by one until the fan stops, the relay that you unplug and causes the fan to stop is the one that needs renewing.
Doubt it. The relay is controlled by the ECU.
#35: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Sheedy1592, Location: NewportPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:37 am ---- i have tested all relays and left it over night to no avail, have i fried the ECU and what cost am i looking at?
#36: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:12 am ---- someone friend their ECU n BSI by pulling fuzes when the car was live the other day on here, i think it was £1500 for both. that was plexed tho, and as yours is pre-plexed it might be less hopefully?
could send it off to get tested and fixed? or could get a replacement that comes with keys etc?
probs aint gunna be cheap tho man
#37: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: GazRG, Location: Bournemouth/CardiffPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:33 pm ----
MrBSI wrote:
Kersh wrote:
its french, punch the fan and see what happens
Punching in the right place works on all forklifts as well
I often worry about your obsession with forklifts.
Do you have one at home as well?
#38: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:39 pm ---- If the fan is on even with the keys out, then its a relay thats f****d and stuck on the 'on' position
#39: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:56 pm ----
Lee wrote:
If the fan is on even with the keys out, then its a relay thats f****d and stuck on the 'on' position
Ordinarily yes, but his interior light is not working either and what are the
chances of the fan relay mechanicaly failing at the same time as this whole incident.
If the relay coil was burned it would fail open contacts not closed.
ECU/BSI are powered-up even with the keys out I think.
Hope you're right though, for his pockets' sake.
#40: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:59 pm ----
V9977 wrote:
Lee wrote:
If the fan is on even with the keys out, then its a relay thats f****d and stuck on the 'on' position
Ordinarily yes, but his interior light is not working either and what are the
chances of the fan relay mechanicaly failing at the same time as this whole incident.
If the relay coil was burned it would fail open contacts not closed.
ECU/BSI are powered-up even with the keys out I think.
Hope you're right though, for his pockets' sake.
Didn't read the whole thread tbh, just read the bit about the fan been constantly on.
I've blown a relay before where its given power out constantly.
Should just get the car plugged in and see what comes up, saves a lot of f*****g about
#41: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:03 pm ----
GazRG wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
Kersh wrote:
its french, punch the fan and see what happens
Punching in the right place works on all forklifts as well
I often worry about your obsession with forklifts.
Do you have one at home as well?
No but we have saved one from the scrap heap last year to use as a workshop runaround, its a long walk to the vending machine / canteen / toilet / other end of the warehouse
Very few I can punch at the moment as 99% of them are still under warranty
#42: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Mattie-RS, Location: A Track near you ;)Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:11 pm ----
MNARAA wrote:
Mattie-DS3 wrote:
Fuses usually blow via amps, this is voltage
V = IR.
Resistance is a property of the circuit and will have stayed the same, therefore if voltage went up so did current.
Thanks for the Electricity lesson, i spent four years learning,
Its was from a charger so the Ampage will have been small and not how your saying
Dumbass
#43: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Ste, Location: Hull -or- The World Of Info CodePosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:12 pm ----
Mattie-DS3 wrote:
MNARAA wrote:
Mattie-DS3 wrote:
Fuses usually blow via amps, this is voltage
V = IR.
Resistance is a property of the circuit and will have stayed the same, therefore if voltage went up so did current.
Thanks for the Electricity lesson, i spent four years learning,
Its was from a charger so the Ampage will have been small and not how your saying
Dumbass
Not like your an elecrician or anything
#44: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: GazRG, Location: Bournemouth/CardiffPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:35 pm ----
MrBSI wrote:
we have saved one from the scrap heap last year to use as a workshop runaround, its a long walk to the vending machine / canteen / toilet / other end of the warehouse
Good lad, great idea
Laziness FTW
#45: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:24 am ----
GazRG wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
we have saved one from the scrap heap last year to use as a workshop runaround, its a long walk to the vending machine / canteen / toilet / other end of the warehouse
Good lad, great idea
Laziness FTW
Sort of, the other engineer is getting on ( meant to be retiring in less then a year ) & had replacement joints fitted in a hip & knee, he finds it a struggle to walk any distance so its easier for him to just use the camel.
It looks pretty smart for a 17 year old forklift as we done it up a bit & painted it
#46: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:30 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
GazRG wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
we have saved one from the scrap heap last year to use as a workshop runaround, its a long walk to the vending machine / canteen / toilet / other end of the warehouse
Good lad, great idea
Laziness FTW
Sort of, the other engineer is getting on ( meant to be retiring in less then a year ) & had replacement joints fitted in a hip & knee, he finds it a struggle to walk any distance so its easier for him to just use the camel.
It looks pretty smart for a 17 year old forklift as we done it up a bit & painted it
Like this?
#47: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:32 am ---- Nah, its only a llop, pictures tonight after work
We do have a counter balance on site with the 3.2 VW VR6 engine in, sounds sweet when you floor it
#48: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: Sheedy1592, Location: NewportPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 10:00 am ---- how do i remove the ECU?
#49: Re: How much damage have I done? Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:06 am ---- Hi Sheedy,
As Lee said it really is better to have the car scanned for diagnostics before you start messing
with ECU/BSI etc. Have you contacted BBA? If you describe the symptoms to them they might
have a better idea wether its worth sending either one to them for testing.
Then, they can advise on possible repair or replacement with a reconditioned unit if it turns-out to be the problem.
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