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#1: flowing water sound Author: 206qa, Location: London PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:55 am
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Hi,

I'd be grateful if anyone can offer up some advice. I can hear a gushing water sound in my 206 (on the left hand passenger side) when the revs go above 2K, usually in first. This happens when stationary or pulling away (usually on a hill at those revs but can also happen on a flat). Any idea what this noise could be??? It's just your bog standard 2006 verve.

Many thanks Smile
#2: Re: flowing water sound Author: Quarmbo, Location: Bristol & Leicester PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:57 am
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Brake servo I think?
#3: Re: flowing water sound Author: DJ-, Location: UK PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:59 am
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i had that on mine until the heater matrix started leaking.
#4: Re: flowing water sound Author: 206qa, Location: London PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:06 am
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DJ- wrote:
i had that on mine until the heater matrix started leaking.

So is it a leak somewhere then?
#5: Re: flowing water sound Author: DJ-, Location: UK PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:08 am
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206qa wrote:
DJ- wrote:
i had that on mine until the heater matrix started leaking.

So is it a leak somewhere then?

I got rid of the car before I checked it out. The heater matrix started leaking in the passenger footwell so check to see if its wet there.
#6: Re: flowing water sound Author: Steve206, Location: UK PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:11 am
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First place to look would be your coolant level. MY old Cavalier had this, caused be a leaking gasket.
#7: Re: flowing water sound Author: 206qa, Location: London PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:12 am
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DJ- wrote:
206qa wrote:
DJ- wrote:
i had that on mine until the heater matrix started leaking.

So is it a leak somewhere then?

I got rid of the car before I checked it out. The heater matrix started leaking in the passenger footwell so check to see if its wet there.

Ahh i see. Have quickley popped out and checked it, it's bone dry !


Question
#8: Re: flowing water sound Author: Abzynthe,  PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:28 pm
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DJ- wrote:
206qa wrote:
DJ- wrote:
i had that on mine until the heater matrix started leaking.

So is it a leak somewhere then?

I got rid of the car before I checked it out. The heater matrix started leaking in the passenger footwell so check to see if its wet there.

DJ, its dried out since the engine change with no signs of leakage, I dont think it was the heater matrix.
#9: Re: flowing water sound Author: 206qa, Location: London PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:54 pm
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Read elsewhere it could be an airlock in tge cooling system. Does that sound possible?
#10: Re: flowing water sound Author: DJ-, Location: UK PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:02 pm
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Abzynthe wrote:
DJ- wrote:
206qa wrote:
DJ- wrote:
i had that on mine until the heater matrix started leaking.

So is it a leak somewhere then?

I got rid of the car before I checked it out. The heater matrix started leaking in the passenger footwell so check to see if its wet there.

DJ, its dried out since the engine change with no signs of leakage, I dont think it was the heater matrix.

oh really?! My bad then, i just assumed!
#11: Re: flowing water sound Author: usher, Location: northallerton PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:33 pm
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There is a drain hole in the rear of the sils underneath could be worth a look
#12: Re: flowing water sound Author: 206qa, Location: London PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:33 pm
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Took it to a garage today, their diagnosis: the head gasket has gone!!! Whether this is the cause of the water sound or the noise is a symptomn they didnt say and as it hasnt been fixed yet i dunno if itll cure it

Thank god warranty is gunna pay for it.


My advice to anyone suffering the same: get it checked!!
#13: Re: flowing water sound Author: DJ-, Location: UK PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:34 pm
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oh it makes sense now Sad
#14: Re: flowing water sound Author: deanparkr, Location: United Kingdom PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:10 pm
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Just curious, how is the sound of flowing water relevant to the head gasket?
#15: Re: flowing water sound Author: Steve206, Location: UK PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:16 am
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The water is leaking into the head, causing air in the system, so as it pumps if sounds like a leak. As I first posted.
#16: Re: flowing water sound Author: Marky234, Location: Shrewsbury PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:09 am
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The reason a leaking head gasket can cause the noise is the water level is dropping all the time so when its being pumped around the system its not filling the pipes like a perfectly sound cooling system does.

the other reason for only doin it at certain revs is the water pump is being driven harder by the engine so pumping more water round.

All cars have that problem and if you hear the noise its pretty good sign that your gasket is on its way out and eventually the heater will stop blowing warm air.
#17: Re: flowing water sound Author: 206qa, Location: London PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:44 am
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Just picked my car up, new head gasket fitted.

I can confirm the noise has gone completely, the mechanic explained pretty much what was said in the last couple of posts.
#18: Re: flowing water sound Author: Daza, Location: Benfleet, Essex PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:32 am
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Mine has started doing this in the last couple of months Sad i just looked at my coolant tank and it was empty too! so looks like a new head gasket is needed soon Sad
#19: Re: flowing water sound Author: 206qa, Location: London PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:33 am
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Sorry to hear that! Try topping the coolant up as im sure i read low coolant can cause this.

My car literally only had the flowing water sound, the coolant didnt seem to go down quickley. Take it to a garage and get them to use a combustion leak detector as thats what they did on mine and it went brown instantly!!!

Good luck
#20: Re: flowing water sound Author: Matt,  PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:18 pm
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Head Gasket is going im afraid Sad
#21: Re: flowing water sound Author: Daza, Location: Benfleet, Essex PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:15 pm
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Yea thats what i was thinking of getting done just to be 100% its the head gasket! but it dont look good Sad my car has been almost perfect for 3 years and now everythings going wrong at once!! Sad
#22: Re: flowing water sound Author: Daza, Location: Benfleet, Essex PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:34 pm
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I was going to flush out and renew the coolant tomorrow but should i do this now? as everyone i spoke to says the head gasket is on its way out so should i get that done and then change it?

thanks Smile

Also my cars been down on power lately would like be another symptom of head gasket giving up the ghost?
#23: Re: flowing water sound Author: Matt,  PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:53 pm
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Yea think so. Lack of pressure.
#24: Re: flowing water sound Author: Daza, Location: Benfleet, Essex PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:54 am
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oh dear more money then Sad do you think its worth getting the coolant changed before the head gasket? im thinking that its pretty pointless but im no mechanic lol
#25: Re: flowing water sound Author: gixxerkev, Location: wiltshire PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:15 am
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No point changing the coolant before the head gasket because when the head comes off most of the coolant will be lost over the floor due to the radiator hoses and thermostat being disconnected. Also if the head gasket has gone there will be oil in the water, best to get the coolant system flushed out.
#26: Re: flowing water sound Author: Matt,  PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:38 am
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if you get the head done, they will flush the coolant and replace it for you after i think.

so yea no point Razz
#27: Re: flowing water sound Author: Daza, Location: Benfleet, Essex PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:23 pm
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Yea thats what i was thinking lol

Thanks for the help Smile
#28: Re: flowing water sound Author: AX-Rated, Location: Swansea, Wales PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:57 pm
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The same happened to my brothers saxo.
Citroen confirmed a broken heater matrix.
And fair enough, a quick change sorted it.

I personally think its air trapped in the matrix.
A head gasket change would result in a drain and refill (bleed) of the coolant system and would appear to solve this problem.
#29: Re: flowing water sound Author: Daza, Location: Benfleet, Essex PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:16 am
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Well the other day when i went out there (my first post in this thread) the expansion tank was empty and i topped it up and it took 2Ltrs before it was at the right level.

I then started the engine but left the cap off the tank to help it bleed and now there is no running water sound when the cars idleing Confused its gone back to normal but the car still feels sluggish

The water in the expansion tank is a brown colour but it hasnt been changed for 2 years so maybe thats normal?

Im totally confused lol
#30: Re: flowing water sound Author: gixxerkev, Location: wiltshire PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:52 am
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So I take that the system is now full and bled correctly yeah? The water is brown because its picked up up rust and sludge from around the system. Is there any anti-freeze in the system? How many miles has the car done because form what Ive read on here the head gaskets Peugeot fit in the factory are pretty crap and only last 50-60k miles. It might be an idea to change it anyway and that might sort out the sluggish-ness and water loss. From experience the flowing sound is the lack of water in the heater matrix because its slightly higher than the water in the engine and water flows downhill. Now that the system is full its stopped the noise as you say, but where is the water going to empty the expansion tank???? I changed my head gasket and everything is hunky dory now. Hope this helps
#31: Re: flowing water sound Author: Daza, Location: Benfleet, Essex PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:05 am
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Yea the system is now full and bled and hasnt dropped since i last topped it back up, as for the anti-freeze im really not sure as when it had its last service was 2 years ago so presume it got done then, i serviced it myself this year and done everything apart from the coolent.

Cars done 49k miles and its a 51 plate, thats what i mean i dont no where the water has gone! i put 2 ltrs of water in to get it to the right level, there are no water marks under the car when stand still with the engine on or off, no water dampness inside the car either so have no idea!

Im thinking about getting the head gasket done anyway just to make sure! going to get a rough idea on costs later on

Thanks Smile
#32: Re: flowing water sound Author: 206qa, Location: London PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:59 am
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Daza wrote:
Yea the system is now full and bled and hasnt dropped since i last topped it back up, as for the anti-freeze im really not sure as when it had its last service was 2 years ago so presume it got done then, i serviced it myself this year and done everything apart from the coolent.

Cars done 49k miles and its a 51 plate, thats what i mean i dont no where the water has gone! i put 2 ltrs of water in to get it to the right level, there are no water marks under the car when stand still with the engine on or off, no water dampness inside the car either so have no idea!

Im thinking about getting the head gasket done anyway just to make sure! going to get a rough idea on costs later on

Thanks Smile

Its really not the sort of thing you get done 'just in case' lol. It costs hundreds!!
#33: Re: flowing water sound Author: Daza, Location: Benfleet, Essex PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:50 pm
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206qa wrote:
Daza wrote:
Yea the system is now full and bled and hasnt dropped since i last topped it back up, as for the anti-freeze im really not sure as when it had its last service was 2 years ago so presume it got done then, i serviced it myself this year and done everything apart from the coolent.

Cars done 49k miles and its a 51 plate, thats what i mean i dont no where the water has gone! i put 2 ltrs of water in to get it to the right level, there are no water marks under the car when stand still with the engine on or off, no water dampness inside the car either so have no idea!

Im thinking about getting the head gasket done anyway just to make sure! going to get a rough idea on costs later on

Thanks Smile

Its really not the sort of thing you get done 'just in case' lol. It costs hundreds!!

yea i no i dont no why i put that really lol, am i right in thinking that if i left it long enough and the head gasket is on its way out then the head will get worped and need re skimming?
#34: Re: flowing water sound Author: danlouiee, Location: Plymouth, Devon PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:17 pm
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I had this mate thought it was my head gasket and found out the wet piston liner in number 1 had dropped so all I was doing was pumping water around my engine that's what you can hear in the footwell possibly?
#35: Re: flowing water sound Author: 206qa, Location: London PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:54 pm
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Daza wrote:
206qa wrote:
Daza wrote:
Yea the system is now full and bled and hasnt dropped since i last topped it back up, as for the anti-freeze im really not sure as when it had its last service was 2 years ago so presume it got done then, i serviced it myself this year and done everything apart from the coolent.

Cars done 49k miles and its a 51 plate, thats what i mean i dont no where the water has gone! i put 2 ltrs of water in to get it to the right level, there are no water marks under the car when stand still with the engine on or off, no water dampness inside the car either so have no idea!

Im thinking about getting the head gasket done anyway just to make sure! going to get a rough idea on costs later on

Thanks Smile

Its really not the sort of thing you get done 'just in case' lol. It costs hundreds!!

yea i no i dont no why i put that really lol, am i right in thinking that if i left it long enough and the head gasket is on its way out then the head will get worped and need re skimming?

Well if it is gone the longer you leave it the more damage it will do. Just take it to the garage to do the combustion test (as i put earlier) then youll soon know. Or if you google it you can buy em your self Smile
#36: Re: flowing water sound Author: gixxerkev, Location: wiltshire PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:01 am
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You can even get the bits on E-bay for about £130 max and do it yourself. If your not mechanically minded Im sure there must be someone who can help. Much cheaper than paying "pop star wages" labour costs !!! Just get it done to save even more expense in the future.
#37: Re: flowing water sound Author: Daza, Location: Benfleet, Essex PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:49 pm
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Yea im going to get the combustion test done this week and then go from there!

Thanks people for your help Smile
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