#1: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Golfguy206, Location: PeterboroughPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:00 am ---- Just a quick thread for us owners of this "rare" beast.
Anyone want to share some tuning tips.....
#2: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: tomd0801754, Location: MoscowPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:08 am ---- Sell it and buy a HDi
#3: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Uz, Location: No Man's LandPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:09 am ---- JP4 FTW..!
What tuning tips you after bud..? Or just tuning I.e everything in general that can be done to it..?
#4: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:16 am ---- Andy has one.
He's tuned it a little.
#7: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: XSIcheeseman, Location: OrpingtonPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:06 am ---- well a cheap mod is 106 GTi cams lol im getting 106 GTi rallye cams and valve springs and retainers . ask lewis his 1.6 16v is realllly nice
#8: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: 110rolandgarros, Location: swindonPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:42 am ---- got one a nice induction kit k&n works well
How much do you want to spend bud..? It's endless as anything can be done to it with a budget. If you want true inspiration and non of the rubbish you see on here jump on 106owners or SSC and see some of the JP engine that have been modified correctly.
#10: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Golfguy206, Location: PeterboroughPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:12 am ----
XSIcheeseman wrote:
well a cheap mod is 106 GTi cams lol im getting 106 GTi rallye cams and valve springs and retainers . ask lewis his 1.6 16v is realllly nice
hmm, thats a good one. do they have the same setup as the 1.6 16v XSi then??
How much do you want to spend bud..? It's endless as anything can be done to it with a budget. If you want true inspiration and non of the rubbish you see on here jump on 106owners or SSC and see some of the JP engine that have been modified correctly.
Stainless Exhaust Sytem - (cat back) done 200 cell Sports Cat/4-1 Stainless Manifold - possibly looking at that Enclosed Induction Kit - K&N panel fitted Cams (as prev suggested above) - not considered the 106 gti cams yet! Decat - considering, however using stock manifold at present
Forged Internals - out of budget Supercharging - out of budget Turbocharging - out of budget Throttle Bodies - out of budget
Still need the car to be useable as a normal (if not better performing) family car, not a tarmac terrorist. having said that, my daughter is not a baby anymore, almost a 10! Last edited by Golfguy206 on Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:22 am; edited 1 time in total
#11: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Uz, Location: No Man's LandPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:18 am ----
Golfguy206 wrote:
XSIcheeseman wrote:
well a cheap mod is 106 GTi cams lol im getting 106 GTi rallye cams and valve springs and retainers . ask lewis his 1.6 16v is realllly nice
hmm, thats a good one. do they have the same setup as the 1.6 16v XSi then??
A 106 Rallye is 8v so how the hell are you meant to use a single cam or a dohc engine..?
You can't use J4 cams, retainers, valve springs in a JP4 as you'll f*** the engine as a JP4 bottom end is like butter.
People fit a JP4 head on a J4 bottom end because the J4 bottom is alot stronger and then fit all the J4 internals.
#12: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Golfguy206, Location: PeterboroughPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:25 am ----
Uz wrote:
Golfguy206 wrote:
XSIcheeseman wrote:
well a cheap mod is 106 GTi cams lol im getting 106 GTi rallye cams and valve springs and retainers . ask lewis his 1.6 16v is realllly nice
hmm, thats a good one. do they have the same setup as the 1.6 16v XSi then??
A 106 Rallye is 8v so how the hell are you meant to use a single cam or a dohc engine..?
You can't use J4 cams, retainers, valve springs in a JP4 as you'll f*** the engine as a JP4 bottom end is like butter.
People fit a JP4 head on a J4 bottom end because the J4 bottom is alot stronger and then fit all the J4 internals.
strangly i have only just realised you are quite correct, unless you get 2 sets - but I doubt that would work either.
#13: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: XSIcheeseman, Location: OrpingtonPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:01 am ----
Golfguy206 wrote:
Uz wrote:
Golfguy206 wrote:
XSIcheeseman wrote:
well a cheap mod is 106 GTi cams lol im getting 106 GTi rallye cams and valve springs and retainers . ask lewis his 1.6 16v is realllly nice
hmm, thats a good one. do they have the same setup as the 1.6 16v XSi then??
A 106 Rallye is 8v so how the hell are you meant to use a single cam or a dohc engine..?
You can't use J4 cams, retainers, valve springs in a JP4 as you'll f*** the engine as a JP4 bottom end is like butter.
People fit a JP4 head on a J4 bottom end because the J4 bottom is alot stronger and then fit all the J4 internals.
strangly i have only just realised you are quite correct, unless you get 2 sets - but I doubt that would work either.
well go talk to pugoneoff then i been talking to them and that is a cam they offer . the person i might be getting hte cams from said that it was a 16v engine
#14: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Lewis1304, Location: NuneatonPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:10 am ---- Hello mate, If you need to know to get the ost of out it for cheap prices ask me. I may be able to help you.
Lewis
#15: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Uz, Location: No Man's LandPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:10 am ---- I wouldn't got to pug1off even if I wanted my exhaust bushes change.
#16: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Big_Rich180, Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:12 am ----
Uz wrote:
Golfguy206 wrote:
XSIcheeseman wrote:
well a cheap mod is 106 GTi cams lol im getting 106 GTi rallye cams and valve springs and retainers . ask lewis his 1.6 16v is realllly nice
hmm, thats a good one. do they have the same setup as the 1.6 16v XSi then??
A 106 Rallye is 8v so how the hell are you meant to use a single cam or a dohc engine..?
You can't use J4 cams, retainers, valve springs in a JP4 as you'll f*** the engine as a JP4 bottom end is like butter.
People fit a JP4 head on a J4 bottom end because the J4 bottom is alot stronger and then fit all the J4 internals.
#17: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Lewis1304, Location: NuneatonPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:13 am ---- Buy Kent or Newman Cams.
Lewis
#18: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: XSIcheeseman, Location: OrpingtonPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:14 am ----
Big_Rich180 wrote:
Uz wrote:
Golfguy206 wrote:
XSIcheeseman wrote:
well a cheap mod is 106 GTi cams lol im getting 106 GTi rallye cams and valve springs and retainers . ask lewis his 1.6 16v is realllly nice
hmm, thats a good one. do they have the same setup as the 1.6 16v XSi then??
A 106 Rallye is 8v so how the hell are you meant to use a single cam or a dohc engine..?
You can't use J4 cams, retainers, valve springs in a JP4 as you'll f*** the engine as a JP4 bottom end is like butter.
People fit a JP4 head on a J4 bottom end because the J4 bottom is alot stronger and then fit all the J4 internals.
well whatever the engine the cams im getting are from a 16v 106 gti end off
#19: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: XSIcheeseman, Location: OrpingtonPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:20 am ---- i wont bother so no1 needs to write back to my comments
#20: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Golfguy206, Location: PeterboroughPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:21 am ---- if its a credible mod then im interested. may need a little more investigation before anyone commits to the swap.
Anyone else done any other good simple mods that make a difference??
#21: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:05 am ---- How about removing weight and bettering handling?
#22: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: -Dave-, Location: North ManchesterPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:30 am ---- I have one, Wish it had a different gearbox though, Bloody hate it, Clunk clunk clunk anddddddddddd yes it's changed gear. Going to get uprated linkage's and a quickshift this weekend and see if that improve's it.
#23: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:35 am ---- Xsi cylinder head
106 Gti bottom end
C2 Vts inlet manifold
Ported TB
4-1
= WIN
#24: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:36 am ---- It more than likely won't.
What linkages are you getting? Make sure they are for the MA gearbox, as the majority that are sold are for the BE
#25: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: -Dave-, Location: North ManchesterPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:43 am ----
Lee wrote:
It more than likely won't.
What linkages are you getting? Make sure they are for the MA gearbox, as the majority that are sold are for the BE
To be honest mate I don't know the differance between the gearbox's, I have been recommended these
But if you know any better please share :lol:, I'm hoping by installing these and the quickshift i will at least make the gear change's a bit more pleasant.
#26: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Seabook, Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:47 am ----
Addaz wrote:
Xsi cylinder head
106 Gti bottom end
C2 Vts inlet manifold
Ported TB
4-1
= WIN
without cam mod this is a loser lol
#27: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:54 am ----
Suicidalsoldi3r wrote:
Lee wrote:
It more than likely won't.
What linkages are you getting? Make sure they are for the MA gearbox, as the majority that are sold are for the BE
To be honest mate I don't know the differance between the gearbox's, I have been recommended these
But if you know any better please share :lol:, I'm hoping by installing these and the quickshift i will at least make the gear change's a bit more pleasant.
Yeah they should be fine
#28: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: kieron, Location: in the housePosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:59 am ---- they is lots of info and tuning on c2club on this engine, most people go for c2vts inlet, catcams with 106 gti vernier pullys, ashley manifold and remap and results are about 140-145bhp
they is lots of info and tuning on c2club on this engine, most people go for c2vts inlet, catcams with 106 gti vernier pullys, ashley manifold and remap and results are about 140-145bhp
Xsi cylinder head
106 Gti bottom end
C2 Vts inlet manifold
Ported TB
4-1
= WIN
without cam mod this is a loser lol
This is the set up im going for when I finally build the turbo engine, with forged pistons. However you are forgetting you may need a 106 gearbox which is cable not hydraulic.
But if you know any better please share :lol:, I'm hoping by installing these and the quickshift i will at least make the gear change's a bit more pleasant.
I had those and a griffiths quikshift, ended up chewing the diff in the gearbox....on an xsi
#32: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: -Dave-, Location: North ManchesterPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:32 pm ---- It was you that I spoke to a while ago about it , A few people have said though that the griffiths is not that bad on my model 206, But someone did say they are not that good on the GTI or the 180, I may be mistaken but I need to do something because my gearbox is doing my nut in. Only thing about the car I can't stand.
Xsi cylinder head
106 Gti bottom end
C2 Vts inlet manifold
Ported TB
4-1
= WIN
how much you think that might come to?
106 Gti bottom end - would you need the summp and the pistons and stuff?
you wouldn't be able to just buy the bottom end of the engine.
you will have to buy the whole engine and then remove the cylinder head. Last edited by Seabook on Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:50 pm; edited 1 time in total
#35: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: XSIcheeseman, Location: OrpingtonPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:48 pm ---- would you need the pistons and conrods and the big end bearings?
would you need the pistons and conrods and the big end bearings?
of course you will need it...
how can you run the engine without them in..?
#37: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: XSIcheeseman, Location: OrpingtonPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:57 pm ---- i mean the 106 pistons and stuff or can i just use the 206 ones? cause if i can get a crank and sump
#38: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Golfguy206, Location: PeterboroughPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:11 am ---- What benefit would you get form the C2 VTS manafold??
and what does "ported TB" mean??
#39: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: CD-B3, Location: Salisbury / New ForestPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:13 am ----
Golfguy206 wrote:
What benefit would you get form the C2 VTS manafold??
and what does "ported TB" mean??
It's polished & widened slightly.
Addaz sells them
#40: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: mattievrs, Location: LeicesterPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:17 am ----
Suicidalsoldi3r wrote:
It was you that I spoke to a while ago about it , A few people have said though that the griffiths is not that bad on my model 206, But someone did say they are not that good on the GTI or the 180, I may be mistaken but I need to do something because my gearbox is doing my nut in. Only thing about the car I can't stand.
The quikshift on its own made a massive difference, i then cut an inch off the gearstick and it felt really close and postive through the changes. I then added the stainless rods and within 2 weeks the diff was stuffed.They were measured exactly the same as the old rods aswell.Could of been a coincidence but who knows.
#41: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Golfguy206, Location: PeterboroughPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:24 am ----
CD-vRS wrote:
Golfguy206 wrote:
What benefit would you get form the C2 VTS manafold??
and what does "ported TB" mean??
It's polished & widened slightly.
Addaz sells them
I know what porting & polishing is, just was kinda confused by the "TB" bit.
#42: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Seabook, Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:36 am ----
Golfguy206 wrote:
CD-vRS wrote:
Golfguy206 wrote:
What benefit would you get form the C2 VTS manafold??
and what does "ported TB" mean??
It's polished & widened slightly.
Addaz sells them
I know what porting & polishing is, just was kinda confused by the "TB" bit.
throttle body
#43: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Seabook, Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:37 am ----
Golfguy206 wrote:
What benefit would you get form the C2 VTS manafold??
and what does "ported TB" mean??
C2 VTS inlet manifold has a much better flow than any inlet manifold on the J4 or JP4 engine
#44: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Golfguy206, Location: PeterboroughPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:57 am ---- hmmm. another interesting thought! l
Looks like I could be searching for a C2 VTS manafold then!!
Anyone seen one in a scrap yard???
#45: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:05 am ----
Golfguy206 wrote:
hmmm. another interesting thought! l
Looks like I could be searching for a C2 VTS manafold then!!
Anyone seen one in a scrap yard???
this is nearly impossible, and you would be struggle to find one on ebay too
#46: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Golfguy206, Location: PeterboroughPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:25 am ---- actually there is a bloke selling one on ebay - £250!!!
#47: Re: 1.6l 16v - Anyone got one?? Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:58 am ----
Golfguy206 wrote:
actually there is a bloke selling one on ebay - £250!!!
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