#1: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:47 am ---- Right ho peoples
Im trying to convince my parents that my car will be perfectly ok for day to day use on roads with:
165/40's on 6.5J wheels
I do occasionally push it a little on straights but i dont drive quickly due to my car being lowered around the 80mm mark, and with no suspension travel that would be quite silly
All veiws welcome
#2: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:50 am ---- From an engineering perspective. I vote stupid.
For looks, meh, I hate 'Euro' and all that, so I would still vote stupid, but if people want that look then they're welcome to it.
#3: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: DeadEyePaul, Location: Rugby,WarwickshirePosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:52 am ----
Seb wrote:
From an engineering perspective. I vote stupid.
For looks, meh, I hate 'Euro' and all that, so I would still vote stupid, but if people want that look then they're welcome to it.
I voted stupid due to the safety aspect, i'm just waiting for crashed my car tread due to loosing grip
#4: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:52 am ---- But why?
I would like to know why they are dangerous?
#5: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:54 am ---- I would answer that with why would you want to do it in the first place?
#6: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: DeadEyePaul, Location: Rugby,WarwickshirePosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:58 am ----
#7: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Danw_VVT, Location: Herts/LondonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:01 am ---- they are dangerous due to the way they are bonded to the rim its not a safely balenced tyre as a normal unstretch tyre is
also if your driving with camber think about the amount of tyre tread there is in contact with the road to a normal one?
i vote stupid on safety and practicality for every day use,
for show use i vote safe!
this is less contact :
then this :
#8: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:03 am ---- there was also a thread on this recently about how insurance companies view it, could possibly void your insurance
#9: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Quarmbo, Location: Bristol & LeicesterPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:05 am ---- Taken from that site -
will put a huge amount of stress on the sidewall area and will create a number of handling issues as
the sidewalls will not be able to deflect as they have been designed, making ride quality and particularly, cornering, very difficult and potentially very dangerous.
My (uneducated) opinion - they're not designed for stretch are they....
#10: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:06 am ---- In short - you get massive heat build up.
You can, I'm sure, just get on with it, after all, tyre manufacturers aren't stupid and they know people can put a lot of strain on tyres.
I will ask though, how many 'older' people do you see running around with stretched tyres? It's probably (hopefully) just a phase people go through with this whole euro look. Never understood it myself.
I get a tyre because it keeps me on the road. Anything I do to my tyres (pressure/suspension setup ie. camber/toe) will be done to improve performance and keep me on the road better.
It's completely counter-productive to stretch tyres and add even more stress concentrations to an already stressful component.
To me it's like getting an engine and taking off all the induction pipework and ducting because it 'looks good'. You're gimping the performance of the engine and quite possibly destroying its lifespan in the process all because it 'looks good'. I don't know, young'uns these days!
#11: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Danw_VVT, Location: Herts/LondonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:09 am ----
Seb wrote:
In short - you get massive heat build up.
You can, I'm sure, just get on with it, after all, tyre manufacturers aren't stupid and they know people can put a lot of strain on tyres.
I will ask though, how many 'older' people do you see running around with stretched tyres? It's probably (hopefully) just a phase people go through with this whole euro look. Never understood it myself.
I get a tyre because it keeps me on the road. Anything I do to my tyres (pressure/suspension setup ie. camber/toe) will be done to improve performance and keep me on the road better.
It's completely counter-productive to stretch tyres and add even more stress concentrations to an already stressful component.
To me it's like getting an engine and taking off all the induction pipework and ducting because it 'looks good'. You're gimping the performance of the engine and quite possibly destroying its lifespan in the process all because it 'looks good'. I don't know, young'uns these days!
the winner of post of the day is seb!
end of the day like seb said tyres are all that keep you and the big ditch away from each other.
we all moan at people who use "budget" tyres due to safety but imo for cars with stupid stretch on a daily you may aswell have the crappest budgets on that money dont buy!
#12: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: =ZiAn=, Location: SloveniaPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:12 am ---- Depends on the stretch...
This is quite nice and still relatively safe
This on the other hand...
Overkill much?
#13: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Rob2859, Location: HalifaxPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:18 am ----
Danw_VVT wrote:
Seb wrote:
In short - you get massive heat build up.
You can, I'm sure, just get on with it, after all, tyre manufacturers aren't stupid and they know people can put a lot of strain on tyres.
I will ask though, how many 'older' people do you see running around with stretched tyres? It's probably (hopefully) just a phase people go through with this whole euro look. Never understood it myself.
I get a tyre because it keeps me on the road. Anything I do to my tyres (pressure/suspension setup ie. camber/toe) will be done to improve performance and keep me on the road better.
It's completely counter-productive to stretch tyres and add even more stress concentrations to an already stressful component.
To me it's like getting an engine and taking off all the induction pipework and ducting because it 'looks good'. You're gimping the performance of the engine and quite possibly destroying its lifespan in the process all because it 'looks good'. I don't know, young'uns these days!
the winner of post of the day is seb!
end of the day like seb said tyres are all that keep you and the big ditch away from each other.
we all moan at people who use "budget" tyres due to safety but imo for cars with stupid stretch on a daily you may aswell have the crappest budgets on that money dont buy!
Trust me, bedjet tyres are a hell of a lot better than eco tyres. I had some continental eco contact tyres on my alloys when I firt got them. If they were on the front they understeer, underbrake and pretty much make the car bounce when it understeers. There is no feel in them at all and when its wet and thety are on the back they make the car lift-off oversteer around every corner. I have had a few sets of budjet tyres but they feel like perelli's compared with eco tyres.
#14: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:31 am ---- As mentioned earlier, stretched Tyres are for kids & people who put what they think looks good first over safety.
P.S, are you gonna show your parents this thread?
#15: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:33 am ---- I will be going from 205 to 165 so the stretch amount would roughly be this:
Here nor there IMO
#16: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:37 am ----
E5GDM wrote:
As mentioned earlier, stretched Tyres are for kids & people who put what they think looks good first over safety.
Says the person with IMO an un safe track car
Get it right kid
#17: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: sillyhilly, Location: The Mean Streets of CoventryPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:38 am ---- It doesn't even look that much better
#18: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: twed207, Location: borders, near carlisle.Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:39 am ----
Danw_VVT wrote:
Seb wrote:
In short - you get massive heat build up.
You can, I'm sure, just get on with it, after all, tyre manufacturers aren't stupid and they know people can put a lot of strain on tyres.
I will ask though, how many 'older' people do you see running around with stretched tyres? It's probably (hopefully) just a phase people go through with this whole euro look. Never understood it myself.
I get a tyre because it keeps me on the road. Anything I do to my tyres (pressure/suspension setup ie. camber/toe) will be done to improve performance and keep me on the road better.
It's completely counter-productive to stretch tyres and add even more stress concentrations to an already stressful component.
To me it's like getting an engine and taking off all the induction pipework and ducting because it 'looks good'. You're gimping the performance of the engine and quite possibly destroying its lifespan in the process all because it 'looks good'. I don't know, young'uns these days!
the winner of post of the day is seb!
QFMFT!
good post Seb.
they can look 'OK' on show cars, but using them on the road can be silly, if you hit a pothole mid corner while driving a little fast, id say there's a high chance of the bead braking and ripping the tyre off than a normally fitted tyre would..
#19: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Icetto, Location: Cape TownPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:46 am ---- I agree with what Seb said.
I also have never understood the stretched tyre for Euro look
#20: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: E5GDM, Location: EssexPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:48 am ----
Addaz wrote:
E5GDM wrote:
As mentioned earlier, stretched Tyres are for kids & people who put what they think looks good first over safety.
Says the person with IMO an un safe track car
Get it right kid
Un safe track car? WTF you on about?
#21: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Kersh, Location: Bridgnorth, Nr WolverhamptonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:49 am ---- i understand a minimal amount of stretch on a show car as it works with rolled arches etc to keep the lines. on a daily driver however i think its a bit risky.
at the end of the day its your call, its your life and your money that is essentially on the line..
#22: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Antknee, Location: ManchesterPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:51 am ---- I wouldnt do it, if the tyre goes on the motorway, so do you lol Last edited by Antknee on Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:51 am; edited 1 time in total
#23: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:51 am ----
E5GDM wrote:
Addaz wrote:
E5GDM wrote:
As mentioned earlier, stretched Tyres are for kids & people who put what they think looks good first over safety.
Says the person with IMO an un safe track car
Get it right kid
Un safe track car? WTF you on about?
Wrong troll
#24: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:53 am ---- Please do remember its only 165 from 205 on a 6.5J wheel
Not the usual 7.5J or 8J in which people stretch the nankangs onto
#25: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: arronmee1990, Location: Broughton AstleyPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:57 am ---- It'll be fine so long as you don't go stupid round corners. I'm planning on putting 195/40 on my 7.5J, which will be a a little less stretch to what your looking at. I'm just going to make sure the tread covers as much of the width on whichever tyres I choose
#26: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: chilipepper, Location: Armadale, West LothianPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:58 am ---- If it was safe I would have expected one of the tyre manufacturers would have designed some specifically for this by now! And I'm pretty sure they wouldn't pass an MOT either which would back up the argument for unsafe
#27: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:00 am ---- Yes in some cases, it is highly unsafe
But please before anyone states one more answer
Look on the bottom of the first page to give you an indication of the amount of stretch i will have, its minimal
#28: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:07 am ---- i laugh at stretch, why purposly make your car un safer?????? would you loosen your wheel nuts? empty you brake fluid? why strech tyres when there the only thing keeping you on the road, stupid modification for stupid people, its not like a debate about how bodykits look crap where opinions are key, this is clearly unsafe and dumb
#29: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: spud_owen, Location: ashby de la zouchPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:07 am ---- its minimal, but still unsafe, i think there's reason why tyre manufactures have been making tyres which actually fit, and with 'striaght side walls, the load on the side walls must be emmense, even at low speed/ standing, not even thinking about takeing on a corner, there's nothing worse than that striaght on understeer feeling!!
And like sillyhillly saids, for the ammount or proposing it doesnt even look any different so you might as well bang some proper rubber on!
#30: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:08 am ----
no_offences wrote:
i laugh at stretch, why purposly make your car un safer?????? would you loosen your wheel nuts? empty you brake fluid? why strech tyres when there the only thing keeping you on the road, stupid modification for stupid people, its not like a debate about how bodykits look crap where opinions are key, this is clearly unsafe and dumb
You say this, but have you ever been in a vehicle with stretched tyres?
No, till then STFU
#31: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Danw_VVT, Location: Herts/LondonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:10 am ---- it doesnt matter if its a massive amount or if its minimal mate.
stretch isnt safe. it is comrpmising the structure of the tyre. yes your stretch would be less likely to blow out then a massive stretch but yours will still be a higher risk then just normal tyres.
#32: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:10 am ---- Indeed, but with all due respect, what gives you any inclination on how much is too much? You can't just look at something and say 'yeah, that'll be fine'. That's not a calculated approach, just taking a random stab in the dark at what will and what won't be alright.
In reality, you won't be able to measure it unless you do it properly and measure the stresses on it. So really, noone will be able to give you an accurate answer.
#33: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:11 am ----
Addaz wrote:
No, till then STFU
Language, discussions are one thing, insults are another.
#34: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:15 am ----
Seb wrote:
Indeed, but with all due respect, what gives you any inclination on how much is too much? You can't just look at something and say 'yeah, that'll be fine'. That's not a calculated approach, just taking a random stab in the dark at what will and what won't be alright.
In reality, you won't be able to measure it unless you do it properly and measure the stresses on it. So really, noone will be able to give you an accurate answer.
Pretty much pointless thread on here then
Delete if you will, wheel whores it is
#35: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:16 am ----
Seb wrote:
Addaz wrote:
No, till then STFU
Language, discussions are one thing, insults are another.
My days seb, whats happened to you?
#36: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Danw_VVT, Location: Herts/LondonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:20 am ---- addaz in reply to "have you been in a car with stretch"
i have 2 infact one with stretch like yours and a mark 1 golf GTI with insane stretch.
the GTi is a show car but even on the way to shows we dont drive over 50 as it just feels way to unsafe.
in the punto with stretch like you want yes it feels safer but there are still moments when we both think o s**t! especially in bad weather like ice snow rain or even just damp roads.
keep it for shows mate not for dailys.
if you want impartial opinions then id say post it on pistonheads or try britishmods. wheel whores will just say go for itbecause of looks making it a baised opinion.
#37: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: sillyhilly, Location: The Mean Streets of CoventryPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:20 am ----
Addaz wrote:
Seb wrote:
Addaz wrote:
No, till then STFU
Language, discussions are one thing, insults are another.
My days seb, whats happened to you?
FFS, finally could relate to Addaz after all this time now you've nipped it in the bud.
Unlucky, fellow troll
#38: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:23 am ----
Addaz wrote:
My days seb, whats happened to you?
Bad day, internet related problems, only have my laptop with me, rage ensues.
#39: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: DeadEyePaul, Location: Rugby,WarwickshirePosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:27 am ----
Seb wrote:
Addaz wrote:
My days seb, whats happened to you?
Bad day, internet related problems, only have my laptop with me, rage ensues.
i often feel like this seb I guess you could call it a man period
#40: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:30 am ----
Danw_VVT wrote:
addaz in reply to "have you been in a car with stretch"
i have 2 infact one with stretch like yours and a mark 1 golf GTI with insane stretch.
the GTi is a show car but even on the way to shows we dont drive over 50 as it just feels way to unsafe.
in the punto with stretch like you want yes it feels safer but there are still moments when we both think o s**t! especially in bad weather like ice snow rain or even just damp roads.
keep it for shows mate not for dailys.
if you want impartial opinions then id say post it on pistonheads or try britishmods. wheel whores will just say go for itbecause of looks making it a baised opinion.
Thank you, a reply that i was looking for
I cant afford to have two sets of tyres, with the other modifications planned
But i will happily sit at 50 to 60, im in no rush at all and franlky its more relaxing and saves fuel
Win win
#41: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Danw_VVT, Location: Herts/LondonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:32 am ---- you just really have to be on your game when driving with stretch as i said weather is a big factor. even on hot days we find the punto tends to "dance" a lil bit because of the grease on the road.
#42: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:35 am ----
Danw_VVT wrote:
you just really have to be on your game when driving with stretch as i said weather is a big factor. even on hot days we find the punto tends to "dance" a lil bit because of the grease on the road.
So no women/men aids when driving then?
Fun times over then
#43: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Danw_VVT, Location: Herts/LondonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:40 am ----
Addaz wrote:
Danw_VVT wrote:
you just really have to be on your game when driving with stretch as i said weather is a big factor. even on hot days we find the punto tends to "dance" a lil bit because of the grease on the road.
So no women/men aids when driving then?
Fun times over then
lol exactly that! lol
#44: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:42 am ----
Danw_VVT wrote:
Addaz wrote:
Danw_VVT wrote:
you just really have to be on your game when driving with stretch as i said weather is a big factor. even on hot days we find the punto tends to "dance" a lil bit because of the grease on the road.
So no women/men aids when driving then?
Fun times over then
lol exactly that! lol
If im not avoiding pot holes already, then im slowing for speedbumps
Either way i cba to drive fast
#45: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Bailey, Location: Finding Dr. RobotnikPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:43 am ---- My 2 pence. As a manufacturing engineer.
Tyres are manufactured specifically for safety, they are put through many destructive and non destructive tests in which manufacturers will test their limits. These tests are done in normal conditions and on the wheel that, the tyre is specifically made for. This will allow the tyre manufacturer to create a tyre that is perfectly safe for road use and incase of a blow out the tyre will not totally disintegrate but will hold some sort of form and shape, so the driver can stop as safely as possible.
Stretched tyres are testing these limits and putting unnecessary pressure on the sidewalls, and they havent been through destructive testing. This will effect the structural integrety of the tyres.
Its upto you at the end of the day but imo its a no brainer
#46: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:43 am ----
Addaz wrote:
no_offences wrote:
i laugh at stretch, why purposly make your car un safer?????? would you loosen your wheel nuts? empty you brake fluid? why strech tyres when there the only thing keeping you on the road, stupid modification for stupid people, its not like a debate about how bodykits look crap where opinions are key, this is clearly unsafe and dumb
You say this, but have you ever been in a vehicle with stretched tyres?
No, till then STFU
dont make threads for opinions then if you dont want to hear them dumb c***
#47: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:46 am ----
Seb wrote:
From an engineering perspective. I vote stupid.
For looks, meh, I hate 'Euro' and all that, so I would still vote stupid, but if people want that look then they're welcome to it.
i got same view as yours
#48: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:48 am ---- to the OP it sounds like you have already made your mind up. be warned tho that if you dont declare it and you have a blowout which causes an accident you will be in the s**t with your insurance co because its classed as a potentially dangerous mod
#49: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:51 am ---- you dont need to drive with stretch to know there unsafe you moron
#50: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Deceitful, Location: Leigh, Tonbridge, KentPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:52 am ---- would you wear a pair of shoes that were too small just for the looks? not only that if you get a blow out and you kill someone how would you deal with it?
#51: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Barking, Location: sarcasm-in-shedloadsPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:54 am ---- I say go for it. If the worst happens then it will stop any more useless threads from you
#52: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:56 am ----
Barking wrote:
I say go for it. If the worst happens then it will stop any more useless threads from you
classic
#53: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: europug, Location: londonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:56 am ---- I have massive stretch on the rear im runnin 9j with 195 40 r 16 as long as u keep an eye on psi u wont have a problem all my mates with big bhp drift cars run big stretch so if thay can with stand it why wont road cars??
This is taken off a forim who rung big stretch so these guys no wot they are talkin about
Quote:
When lowering I have run much thinner tyres on 9js whilst drifting and never had any problems or (SAFETY ISSUES) as long as the tyre is kept fully inflated and not running silly camber, there is nothing unsafe or illegal for that matter the law only states that tyres should be fitted as side wall instructions and as most tyres these days dont have side wall fitting instructions, there isn't any legal issues a 195 tyre is 7.677 inchs wide (at the tread) not full width of tyre.
#54: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Kersh, Location: Bridgnorth, Nr WolverhamptonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:56 am ----
Barking wrote:
I say go for it. If the worst happens then it will stop any more useless threads from you
wow
this threads going round and round in circles.
hes made up his mind so can somebody lock it please?
#55: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:02 am ---- if its safe why do you need to keep an eye on your psi?..... incase it becomes unsafe? exactly
#56: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: DeadEyePaul, Location: Rugby,WarwickshirePosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:05 am ----
no_offences wrote:
if its safe why do you need to keep an eye on your psi?..... incase it becomes unsafe? exactly
could you just imagine having to do this everytime before a journey? I can just imagine it will become annoying in about a week
#57: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:09 am ----
no_offences wrote:
if its safe why do you need to keep an eye on your psi?..... incase it becomes unsafe? exactly
that is a good practise even with normal tyre really.....
#58: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: sillyhilly, Location: The Mean Streets of CoventryPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:29 am ---- Dont lock it ffs' its a bit of fun, which 206info lacks as of late
#59: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: europug, Location: londonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:30 am ---- Exactly do u never check your psi no offences?????
#60: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Jay794, Location: Sheffield/Chesterfield/DronfieldPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:32 am ---- I don't really see the point of doing it, it doesn't make and difference to performance or aesthetics IMO
#61: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: no_offences, Location: LeedsPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:37 am ---- yeah i do but i dont need to check it 24/7 incase my tyres blow, i have expensive tyres so why waste money not checking?, end of the day it dont even look good, most people even say it looks daft so what exactly are you gaining? its not a an argument you can ever win
#62: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: sillyhilly, Location: The Mean Streets of CoventryPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:41 am ---- Bet I could win the argument.
If he likes it, and thinks it makes a difference, then why would he care what anybody else thinks? Modifying a car is down to personal preference.
Consider that argument just won
However, it's pointless and looks stupid. The vote says it all
#63: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:15 am ----
Barking wrote:
I say go for it. If the worst happens then it will stop any more useless threads from you
Useless threads?
Well done from the person with no helpful input/threads at all
#64: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Gems, Location: OxfordPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:32 am ---- lol this thread is excellent to read.
I'd say go for it as i think it looks good and you've made your mind up already anyways. Yeah it makes your steering bad, but its nothing that you don't know about before having it done.
#65: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: europug, Location: londonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:26 am ---- Who said 24/7 i said check psi same as u normaly would as with stretch make sure it dont drasticly change! I have stretch and it does look good if people dont like euro look ect fair enough as apart from drift cars there the cars that have it
Anyway im not gonna argue with u everyone has the own opnion im jus puttin mine across
#66: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Danw_VVT, Location: Herts/LondonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:32 am ---- rich you have decent tyres on your stretch and that helps plus your one of the most careful drivers i know! which is why with you its all good,
#67: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:34 am ---- Addaz, i though you are building a track car?
track car don't need strench tyre lol
#68: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: anthony_839, Location: romfordPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:45 am ---- any way as long as they are not thinner than they where orignaly then it will be fine :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
and if you want it to handle ok get smaller strech on front than rear
ie my pug had s**t thin wheels and 8 inch wide wheels with strech they still would had had more rubber on road than orignaly so win win
#69: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:57 am ---- Told you the V6 wouldn't happen
#70: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: MrrNoName, Location: UKPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:14 am ---- look at these tyres lol ,stretched or what!
#71: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: europug, Location: londonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:16 am ---- I no dan but my point is they were originaly and still are on high powered drift cars so they can take it
#72: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: anthony_839, Location: romfordPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:17 am ---- copied and pasted from another form
Interesting indeed.
I often think to myself- The idea of stretched tyres came from the drifting scene..... Surely one of the most tyre-punishing motorsports out there! If a stretched tyre can stay on while some japanese lunatic hangs the ar£e out on his AE86 at 80mph on a sweeping left-hander, then it should be safe enough for me to negotiate even the tightest of mini roundabouts on any given housing estate
Of course there's the decrease in traction etc etc. But you just have to drive within the limits of your set-up. I.e I wouldn't enter a corner at 80mph in a Micra with 145/80's on it and expect to come out the other end facing the right way. Changing your cars limitations is fine as long as you adhere to them IMO.
Usually the people who harp on about lack of traction with a modded car on stretched tyres are the same people who suggest to someone building some sort of mental 200bhp sleeper to "keep teh standard steels on it 4 teh full sleeper efect or it int a proper sleeper mate".
That looks f*****g stupid, and I don't mean the dudes hair. It just looks like the tyre doesn't fit properly
#74: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: anthony_839, Location: romfordPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:24 am ---- and another one
In lay mans terms - if the tyre is considered dangerous for the car to be driven on and there is a high risk of tyre mounting failure. What you're quoting is some vague reference simply saying that the tyre should be mounted correctly with a reasonable size of tyre suited to the rim. Where does that say that you can't have a bit of stretch on a tyre?
So you're telling me that Dunlop, Goodyear, Pirelli, Kumho etc etc are all giving bad advice? My mate is a tyre fitter and he keeps a chart on the computer of the manufacturers regulations. My dunlop FM901s are 235 wide and Dunlop say that they are fine for any tyres between 8 and 10 inches wide. Mine are 10". The rim protector on that tyre still is flush with the edge of the rim.
What you're also saying is that every high performance car manufacturer including Nissan, Porsche, Ferrari, Audi, BMW (who I'm currently working for) are all wrong? Go to their showrooms and take a look at the tyres. All slightly stretched because they need to have tyres with good response and performance. You're saying the tyre sidewall is made to withstand perpendicular angles to the treadface then why is the tyre made with the sidewalls sloping in so that when they're mounted they stretch outwards onto the bead? Bear in mind that the fact that the tyre has to be pulled out with the pressure to meet the bead on the rim means that it's stretched from it's original resting shape. Maybe you're saying the tyre tread doesn't sit flat on the road with a stretched tyre? Take a look at my tyre below and tell me it is bowed in. That's standard 32psi. You'll also find that FM901s have got a rim protector that sits out even if the tyre is not stretched. So your 45 degrees angle appears to be only about 10-15 degrees on mine.
One more thing. The laws on tints are very very specific and state exactly how much light is allowed through on the front 3 windows. I'm guessing because you've mentioned it that you know your tints are illegal? If that's the case the police simply aren't doing their job if they haven't mentioned it to you.
What you are saying is that stretching a tyre at all is illegal. You can see over on the other forum that the police can't even find regulations on it, Car manufacturers do it, Tyre companies have no problems with it. I've even ask on a local car forum where we have 3 or 4 resident policemen there to answer legal and road safety questions. One of them tried to dig up some info on the subject and basically came back saying, as long as the tyre is mounted correctly and isn't stupidly stretched, then it's fine. I've seen some crazy stretch on tyres and I agree it 'CAN' be dangerous but only to the guys who take it to crazy extremes.
Sorry but that quote you put above means nothing. You're in a debate that you simply can't win. And if I lose then I'll need to take all the engineers from the major car
#75: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Danny., Location: PeterboroughPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:26 am ----
europug wrote:
Exactly do u never check your psi no offences?????
he justhas his nickers in a twist because Addaz said STFU to him...
#76: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: chrisscousins, Location: Home-Lisburn, Northern Ireland. Uni-EdinburghPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:43 am ---- IMO tyre stretch looks good if your have your car modified to suit it. An d for all the stretch you are talking about running you should be fine as you have stated that you won't be pushing the car hard. Yes the stretched tyre came from the drift scene because it makes it easier for the rear drive cars to break traction but i've been in a passat with non stretched tyres and then again with the slightly stretched tyres and its made nearly no difference. but thats just my 2cents. If you wanna do it then do it! Its your car at the end of the day so who cares what other people think! i think the phrase is "haters gonna hate"
#77: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: europug, Location: londonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:27 pm ---- Indeed
#78: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:43 pm ----
chrisscousins wrote:
i think the phrase is "haters gonna hate"
Not quite. It's more, 'academics gonna frown', if you ask me.
#79: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Coolspot, Location: East SussexPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:11 pm ---- Imo I think it looks great on the right car,
But ..... I don't feel that they are safe for an everyday car as you are asking the tyre to do something it wasn't designed to for a longer period of time that show use.
But as said above by Gem if you wanna do it and think it's safe enough just get it done.
Roll safe and stay on the black stuff
#80: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Mike_XS, Location: SouthamptonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:00 pm ---- I don't think stretched tyres look that good. And in my opinion it is a stupid thing to do as you are manipulating the tyres wall in a way it's not designed to.
BUT I do know someone with stretched tyres on his van. It's a medium sized van and the tyres are very stretched, he's never had a problem.
I suppose if you think it looks good, and you drive to the car's new limits, then go for it. Last edited by Mike_XS on Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:10 pm; edited 1 time in total
#81: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: europug, Location: londonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:03 pm ---- I use my every single day and its fine the tyre is designed to with a great lot of greaf so driving daily would not cause a probably like ant said they hang round bends on the limit at over 80 mph n they take it
#82: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Mike_XS, Location: SouthamptonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:12 pm ---- But the tyres don't stay on the drifters for long though. They obviously wear them out very fast.
I wouldn't drive everyday on stretched tyres, but like I said, my mate in the van manages without problems.
#83: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Ali_H, Location: Chichester, SussexPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:19 pm ---- Well I cba to read this whole thread but to my knowledge there is NO evidence to suggest that stretched tyres have caused an accident.
I'd still say stupid stretch is a bit silly as contact with the road is reduced and handling compromised.
#84: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: namgaj, Location: Chasing Ash, Addaz and Lee........... hopefully catching Addaz and havin fun :PPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:26 pm ---- I say go for stretch Addaz, then if you have an accident and kill yourself, others will know not to do it, so you wont have died in vain
#85: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: rttam, Location: devonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:52 pm ---- tbh dont get the whole stretched tyre craze think it looks rubbish, makes it even more easy to mess your wheels up on kerbs and is (unless a very mild stretch is done) unsafe
#86: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Uz, Location: No Man's LandPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:05 pm ---- Stretch...Righty then,
Toyo T1-R tyres and also the Falken Zeix tyres both come out of the factory with slanted side walls which give the stretched look. They do them so people who are running low offset don't have problems with bottoming out and scrubbing causing strands,
I've personally had Falken Zeix ZE-912 tyres on my RS wheels and running them with 20mm spacers allowing them to sit at ET10 I've been able to get the car everywhere and everywhere at full pelt i.e. b-roads and the handling has been perfect and I didn't have a problem. These were 205/40 R17 on a 7J wheel.
My mam's were fitted with 205/40 tyes on them and they were and 8J wheel. The tyre was stretched yes, but it was not noticable purely because the tyres are originally stretched meaning that they were just only slightly more stretched then original.
A mate had 195/45 on a 7J wheel fitted to a 172 RSport and again that was the same.
a 195 width tyre on a 9J wheel is stupid. 165/45 tyre on a 6.5J tyre will be fine. It's not even stretched.
#87: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: macca1411, Location: Westhoughton, LancashirePosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:14 pm ---- I managed to avoid Eastenders reading through all this. I think I would have preferred to watch it!
Addaz wrote:
Either way i cba to drive fast
How fast do you need to go to loose control and hit a tree or even a kid walking down the pavement?
I have learnt something today about stretched tyres, but surely the tyres are built to withstand certain forces. If you stretch something it gets thinner and therefore weaker so would this not happen with the tyres. I might be getting it wrong, so I stand corrected if I am, like I said I have learnt something.
If tyre suppliers like ATS and National Tyres fit tyres like this then they must feel they are safe otherwise they would be leaving themselves wide open to lawsuits. For me until someone can explain what happens to the construction of the tyre when stretched, the jurys out.
#88: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Ruffy_206, Location: BristolPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:14 pm ---- as said above i no people that are running 165 on a 9j it is crazy and i would not want to drive it but with the correct psi its fine.
i got a little stretch on mine 195 on 7.5 and its barley anything at all. and it is no more unsafe than any other tyre.
#89: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: vanman_foci, Location: Barry, South WalesPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:29 pm ---- To be fair I hate stretch. It's mainly a "scene" thing. Looks s**t.
Anyway I like to be able to go around corners properly.
End of the day it's your car do what you want. Just remember this thread when your in a ditch
#90: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: D4NTP, Location: Not Leeds or its surrounding areas!Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:46 pm ---- I love it! Of all the things that could cause your car to crash (oh and i particulary like the 'kill a kid' scernario for overly dramatic affect) people are worried about tyres with less grip! hilarious. How is it anywhere near dangerous if Addaz has already said he will drive slow as he knows they dont offer very good grip. Appreciating the limits of your car, no matter how low they may be is much safer in the real world than having the best of everything and thinking your invincible. If you like the look and are aware of the risks i say go for it! (and a f*cking hate mods!)
#91: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:25 pm ---- Wow i leave for five minutes to find everything has been repeated
I know they wont be as good as normal, so i wouldnt push it like i would have done
PLUS i cant afford to go fast with petrol costs
Thanks for the other input though from other people
#92: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:39 pm ---- But but, get other tyres that fit, don't pay for stretching (as far as I'm aware they charge a premium on top to properly stretch tyres as not everyone can do it), save a bit of money, then spend it on more petrol and have a spirited drive across the countryside! Profit!
#93: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:47 pm ----
Seb wrote:
But but, get other tyres that fit, don't pay for stretching (as far as I'm aware they charge a premium on top to properly stretch tyres as not everyone can do it), save a bit of money, then spend it on more petrol and have a spirited drive across the countryside! Profit!
They do.....?
Explainage
Stretched tyres are cheaper
#94: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:50 pm ---- I dunno, I was just speaking from what I've been told.
Kumho's (KU31/KU39) are great tyres btw as well, you should get a set of them on and hoon it. Much fun.
#95: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:58 pm ----
Seb wrote:
I dunno, I was just speaking from what I've been told.
Kumho's (KU31/KU39) are great tyres btw as well, you should get a set of them on and hoon it. Much fun.
Nankang NS2's
#96: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: MrZiggerz, Location: Milton KeynesPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:08 pm ---- Get the car low and stick as much stretch as you like, should be fun
#97: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:11 pm ----
Addaz wrote:
Seb wrote:
I dunno, I was just speaking from what I've been told.
Kumho's (KU31/KU39) are great tyres btw as well, you should get a set of them on and hoon it. Much fun.
Nankang NS2's
i don't trust chinese brand tyre
#98: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:36 pm ----
Addaz wrote:
Seb wrote:
I dunno, I was just speaking from what I've been told.
Kumho's (KU31/KU39) are great tyres btw as well, you should get a set of them on and hoon it. Much fun.
Nankang NS2's
Naaah, for grip, the Kumho was right up there with Eagle F1s.
You can't argue that, seeing as pretty much 80% of VX's have them on as road tyres. And those things put some pretty hefty G Forces through those things (I measured 1.45 sideways G on track as a high, and I'm a pansy.
#99: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Addaz, Location: SuffolkPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:43 pm ---- Nankangs = Soft wall = Easy stretch
#100: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Mike_XS, Location: SouthamptonPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:50 pm ---- I've spoken to my dad, who owned his own wheel company for god knows how many years. He said that stretching tyres is dangerous. Tyre won't seal properly on the rim and that stretching the wall will make the tyre much weaker. And also a load of other stuff I didn't understand about steel banding on the inside or something.
I know that someone will come back and say that they have stretched tyres and it's fine blah blah blah. I'm just letting you know what I've been told by someone with a lot of experience with wheels and tyres. Hope it helps.
#101: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Seb, Location: Under your bedPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:57 pm ----
Addaz wrote:
Nankangs = Soft wall = Easy stretch
Oh yes, no doubt for stretching they are probably better due to almost being the consistancy of a classroom rubber, was just saying the Kumhos are awesome at gripping.
#102: Re: The Stretched Tyre Debate: Safe or Stupid? Author: Southall, Location: Warwickshire, UKPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:07 pm ---- Well, that was entertaining.
If you don't push it too much (just in case) then I'm sure no harm will come
Whether or not they are unsafe or a scene fad is unimportant, stretching looks sick.
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