#1: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: DJRogers88, Location: Preston, LancashirePosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:41 pm ---- Hi there,
I have been reading these forums for a while, before they went offline and signed up again when they came back but this is my first post, great forum you have here and some very useful tips - hoping you can help with this one.
My girlfriend has a 207 which every now and again (got more frequently recently) won't start unless you press the accelerator. My 206 also does this but a lot less than the 207, mine seems to be when the engine is hot. I'm presuming this is something to do with fuel not getting to the engine?? Anyone happen to have any ideas what this could be? I'm an IT engineer so you can assume I'm pretty simple when it comes to engines.. Any help would be appreciated.
Cheers,
Darren Last edited by DJRogers88 on Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:38 pm; edited 1 time in total
#2: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: Seabook, Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:43 pm ---- what engine? year?
#3: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:45 pm ---- Might need scanning to see if there are any fault codes.
Either a fueling problem like the pump or the coolant temp sensor
#4: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: DJRogers88, Location: Preston, LancashirePosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:37 pm ---- Both 1.4 petrol, my 206 is 06 and the 207 is 57 reg...
#5: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:56 pm ----
DJRogers88 wrote:
Both 1.4 petrol, my 206 is 06 and the 207 is 57 reg...
8 or 16 valve engines as the 1.4 lump comes in both versions in both 206 & 207.
#6: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: DJRogers88, Location: Preston, LancashirePosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:54 am ---- How do I find this out? Under the bonnet I presume..?
#7: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:56 am ---- Open the bonnet & have a look.
If you have a silver rocker cover with the oil filler cap slap bang in the middle its an 8 valve lump.
#8: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: Davo_Pug, Location: Wales/BhamPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:58 am ---- one possible cause...maybe your fuel line needs a bit of a clean....you can get a single does of red-ex to put in your tank. might make a difference. You dont run your cars close to empty on the fuel guage regulary??
#9: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: DeadEyePaul, Location: Rugby,WarwickshirePosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:30 am ---- Could it be a problem with the ICV?
#10: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: DJRogers88, Location: Preston, LancashirePosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:48 am ---- Hi, thanks for that. Both the 206 and 207 have the oil filler cap in the middle so it must be an 8v - some more info, my 206 seems to only do it when the engine has been running for a bit and its warm - starts first time with the accelerator pressed. The 207 does it at random times and is becoming more and more frequent - no pattern to it and again it fires up when the accelerator is pressed. Not too fussed about the 206 at this moment, however if someone can advise on the 207 that would be great.. If it can be done at home please let me know, if it needs to go to a garage then so be it!
Cheers.
#11: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:16 am ---- Both of these are gonna have electronic fly by wire throttle set ups.
#12: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: DJRogers88, Location: Preston, LancashirePosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:16 pm ---- I'm sorry and this means?? Any ideas what the problem is..? Can it be fixed without going to a garage etc? Cheers..
#13: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: Norvvv, Location: WiltshirePosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:41 pm ----
Davo_Pug wrote:
one possible cause...maybe your fuel line needs a bit of a clean....you can get a single does of red-ex to put in your tank. might make a difference. You dont run your cars close to empty on the fuel guage regulary??
I do! Ha, what damage can that do?
#14: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:28 pm ----
DJRogers88 wrote:
I'm sorry and this means?? Any ideas what the problem is..? Can it be fixed without going to a garage etc? Cheers..
The throttle pedal isnt mechanically connected to the butteryfly in the throttle body, its worked by electronics - hence fly by wire.
#15: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: Seabook, Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:29 pm ----
Norvvv wrote:
Davo_Pug wrote:
one possible cause...maybe your fuel line needs a bit of a clean....you can get a single does of red-ex to put in your tank. might make a difference. You dont run your cars close to empty on the fuel guage regulary??
I do! Ha, what damage can that do?
overheat fuel pump, bockage in fuel line, what else?
#16: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: Norvvv, Location: WiltshirePosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:04 am ---- Better bang some red-ex in then! :L
#17: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: DJRogers88, Location: Preston, LancashirePosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:40 am ---- Hi,
I know this is reviving an old topic now but this has been left until now where it is getting worse. The problem only seems to be when it has been used for a while and a mate has read the ECU which is showing no faults. However it is showing the throttle pedal at around 12% when the engine isn't even turned on and only goes up to 80% when pressed all the way down. My mate is saying it is probably the throttle pedal at fault as the ECU is thinking you have your foot on the pedal so isn't starting the engine. Does this sound like it could be right? Also, we have found some new parts on ebay with the part number 1601 - V8 but we don't know if this is the right part (around £25) we have had a look on the pedal itself and it just looks like its 3 bolts and a cable attachment but we can't see any numbers that corresponds to that on ebay... If anyone can help with getting a part number I could probably get one ordered and get someone to fit it, just need to verify the part number. Car is a 207, 57 plate, 1.4 urban (petrol)
Thanks..
#18: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:49 am ---- Should fit the 207, pm me the VIN number & ill have a look for you.
#19: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: DJRogers88, Location: Preston, LancashirePosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:07 am ---- Thanks - PM'd
#20: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:01 pm ---- Part number 1601 V8 is the correct pedal for your 207.
#21: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:00 pm ----
DJRogers88 wrote:
Hi,
I know this is reviving an old topic now but this has been left until now where it is getting worse. The problem only seems to be when it has been used for a while and a mate has read the ECU which is showing no faults. However it is showing the throttle pedal at around 12% when the engine isn't even turned on and only goes up to 80% when pressed all the way down. My mate is saying it is probably the throttle pedal at fault as the ECU is thinking you have your foot on the pedal so isn't starting the engine. Does this sound like it could be right? Also, we have found some new parts on ebay with the part number 1601 - V8 but we don't know if this is the right part (around £25) we have had a look on the pedal itself and it just looks like its 3 bolts and a cable attachment but we can't see any numbers that corresponds to that on ebay... If anyone can help with getting a part number I could probably get one ordered and get someone to fit it, just need to verify the part number. Car is a 207, 57 plate, 1.4 urban (petrol)
Thanks..
I think you might find this is actually normal..
I looked into this on our '07 206 with electric pedal and had the same exact figures.
We get the ocassional flubber at start-up if it hasn't been used for a couple of days. Like the revs (and needle) drops to almost zero and then picks-up and runs normaly after that. All this without pressing the pedal.
Let me know how you get on.
I also have an electric pedal for a UK (RHD) 207 if you want for the price of postage.
Cheers.
#22: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: DJRogers88, Location: Preston, LancashirePosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:14 am ---- Hi,
Hmm strange, this is when it's just been used.. Anyone else confirm that these readings should be like that? Thanks for the pedal offer but have already got one on order now.
#23: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:24 am ----
DJRogers88 wrote:
Hi,
Hmm strange, this is when it's just been used.. Anyone else confirm that these readings should be like that? Thanks for the pedal offer but have already got one on order now.
Yeh I asked the same back then, only macj answered and seemed to think they were normal.
DJRogers88 wrote:
Hi,
Hmm strange, this is when it's just been used.. Anyone else confirm that these readings should be like that? Thanks for the pedal offer but have already got one on order now.
K
#24: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: DJRogers88, Location: Preston, LancashirePosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:03 pm ---- Ok the part has now arrived (though the sticker on the part says xx.xx.06 and the one currently on says xx.xx.07 - does this make a difference?) and I was going to get someone to fit, however looking at it, it looks pretty simple to fit? 3 bolts to unscrew and one electric plug to plug in? Anyone know if its more difficult than it looks?
Thanks again.
#25: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:03 pm ----
DJRogers88 wrote:
Ok the part has now arrived (though the sticker on the part says xx.xx.06 and the one currently on says xx.xx.07 - does this make a difference?)
Most likely find that will be the date the part was made.
#26: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: DJRogers88, Location: Preston, LancashirePosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 6:36 am ---- Yeah thanks for that. You know anything about fitting it?
#27: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:42 am ----
DJRogers88 wrote:
Yeah thanks for that. You know anything about fitting it?
I would reset the BSi once fitted.
Infact you might as well dis-connect the battery before carrying-out the work in that case.
Make sure you shut-down/boot-up properly though..
And let us know esp. what readings you get afterward.
#28: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: DJRogers88, Location: Preston, LancashirePosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:47 am ---- Great, thanks for advice.
#29: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:16 pm ---- Fitted?
Any update?
#30: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: DJRogers88, Location: Preston, LancashirePosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:59 am ---- Hi, not been fitted yet - was supposed to be today but have had to work away. Be this time next week probably.
#31: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:06 pm ---- Take a look here incase it helps: www.206info.co.uk/Foru...rt=34.html
Fitted the spare?
#32: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: DJRogers88, Location: Preston, LancashirePosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:45 pm ---- Hello - spare was fitted yesterday and has fixed one problem (groggy when setting off - appears old pedal was sticking slightly) but the old problem of cutting out when starting doesn't seem to be fixed as we came back to the car within 30 mins of turning off today and it did the same thing. Your other post is interesting but I wonder if it could be a similar problem as yours is a problem when the engine is cold.. Hmm how can I check servicebox for this problem?
#33: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:55 pm ----
DJRogers88 wrote:
Hello - spare was fitted yesterday and has fixed one problem (groggy when setting off - appears old pedal was sticking slightly) but the old problem of cutting out when starting doesn't seem to be fixed as we came back to the car within 30 mins of turning off today and it did the same thing. Your other post is interesting but I wonder if it could be a similar problem as yours is a problem when the engine is cold.. Hmm how can I check servicebox for this problem?
If it's a fuel-mix issue it could be ECU related.
Note yours is also TU3A setup which means electric throttle body controled by the ECU.
#34: Re: Car not starting without having to press accelerator Author: DJRogers88, Location: Preston, LancashirePosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:09 am ---- Hmm interesting - where can I check to see if the car has the known problem with the ECU?
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