#1: Jump-starting a 206 Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:12 am ---- Seen a lot of fried ECU/BSi on here lately.
Due to inductive back-emf resulting from car batteries (high capacitance/low impedance) at the instant of connection,
damage can occur to these sensitive modules.
Both the 'good' car and the one which is flat are at some risk depending on the state of the batteries and luck.
Faults can also become apparent months after the spike has occured due to the microscopic
geometries of the insides of semiconductors, or 'chips'.
It is therefore NOT recomended to use jump-leads unless you absolutely have to.
If you want to minimise the chances of this type of damage, follow this procedure (at your own risk),
always bearing in-mind that car batteries can cause serious physical injury or damage to you or your vehicle
if not treated with utmost respect.
1) Place the good car appropriately so that enough cable length is available without stretching it.
Make sure car bodies are not touching.
2) Disconnect both batteries by undoing the quick-release plus-pole (+).
3) Making absolutely sure to connect red lead to plus (+) and black lead to minus (-) of each battery,
connect them as you would normaly but leave them to settle for 5 to 10 minutes. Do not short the leads at any time.
4) Now connect the 'good car' quick-release plus pole (+) leaving the 'flat car' still disconnected from the two batteries which are still paralleled. Start the engine of the good car and let it charge them for 10 to 15 minutes.
5) Switch-off engine, disconnect and remove jump leads and fix all relevant plus-pole (+) connections on both cars.
6) Attempt to start the 'flat car' and then drive or leave idling for at least 15-20 minutes.
7) Solve the problem which caused the battery to go flat in the first place to avoid all this hassle every time.
Multiplexed cars will need to be properly shut-down or soft-booted even if battery appears completely 'dead'.<link>
Yep, it takes ages but I hope this helps.
#2: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: Antknee, Location: ManchesterPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:41 am ---- Also probably wise to note if you get it wrong it can result in a hefty bill from peugeot to fix the ecu
#3: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue May 03, 2011 11:45 am ----
Antknee wrote:
Also probably wise to note if you get it wrong it can result in a hefty bill from peugeot to fix the ecu
Agreed, but holds tru for any type of jump-start procedure.
#4: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: panason1c, Location: SomersetPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 12:56 pm ---- Turning on the headlights first will 'absorb' any spike when connecting a battery in parallel prior to jump starting a vehicle.
#5: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: Ash, Location: Running from Ant and Lee and Adam...........Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 1:05 pm ---- And make sure all fuses are intact..
#6: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue May 03, 2011 1:24 pm ----
panason1c wrote:
Turning on the headlights first will 'absorb' any spike when connecting a battery in parallel prior to jump starting a vehicle.
No, it won't.
Batteries can supply many hundreds of Amps for brief instants which can
cause spikes of tens of thousants of Volts. A simple resistor (lamps) accross them will do nothing to protect either car.
Otherwise all of the above would be a complete waste of time and energy.
#7: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: Coolspot, Location: East SussexPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 1:46 pm ---- I have a jumpstart cable that connects through the lighter sockets of both card.
You connect one to the other then check the connection via a switch, start the good car and swap the switch to charge and leave for 10-15 mins, then start the screwed car.
I Love it and used it a few times to help peopleand wehn raining we didn't have to leave the cars lol
What the chances of this screwing the battery?
#8: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue May 03, 2011 1:52 pm ---- It is certainly better than having both cars running at the same time and conected.
I also suspect other measures have been taken with this tool to avoid damage generaly.
#9: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 4:54 pm ---- Sorry but there is no way I would follow any advice you give for jump starting a car
#10: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: Seabook, Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 5:03 pm ---- step 2 is wrong already.....
this is what you should do....
#11: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: Lee, Location: EnglandPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 5:05 pm ---- The step before that is wrong as well, as you should always disconnect the earth first, not the positive
#12: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Tue May 03, 2011 6:13 pm ----
Lee wrote:
The step before that is wrong as well, as you should always disconnect the earth first, not the positive
Sure, that's what Haynes says for decades but why do you think the quick release is on the positive?
Negative-first is a throwback from the days before quick-release posts where standard, so that people
with spanners would not inadvertadly touch the chassis while trying to undo the positive, causing a short.
It also serves as a quick means of disconnecting the battery incase of an emergency (eg crash).
There is no electrical difference and in the case of the 206 where this type of pole connector is standard,
it is in-fact safer to dissconect the battery from there first before you go anywhere near it with tools.
Seabook wrote:
step 2 is wrong already.....
this is what you should do....
Same thing exactly: The negative earth straps go straight to the chassis anyway so no electrical difference there.
However, the chassis is not designed to be connected to at any old place.
You would have to go to the earthing point itself or the gearbox or simmilar, running the risk of the crocodile clip
shaking loose, esp. when the engine is started.
MrBSI wrote:
Sorry but there is no way I would follow any advice you give for jump starting a car
No problem. If you are in any way hesitant this one's not for you.
Same goes for anyone else.
If you follow the steps correctly and sensibly it is actually safer than most other ways both for you and the cars.
#13: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: panason1c, Location: SomersetPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:49 am ----
V9977 wrote:
panason1c wrote:
Turning on the headlights first will 'absorb' any spike when connecting a battery in parallel prior to jump starting a vehicle.
No, it won't.
Batteries can supply many hundreds of Amps for brief instants which can
cause spikes of tens of thousants of Volts. A simple resistor (lamps) accross them will do nothing to protect either car.
Otherwise all of the above would be a complete waste of time and energy.
V9977, WRONG!............Check out the article below.
Start the engine in the vehicle with the good battery. Let it idle for a few moments before turning on the headlights in the vehicle with the dead battery. Turning on the lights will absorb any voltage spikes that can cause damage to a vehicle's computer. Then you can start the engine of the car with the dead battery. Once the engine is started, carefully remove the cables in reverse order, not allowing the clamps to touch.
#14: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:07 am ----
panason1c wrote:
V9977 wrote:
panason1c wrote:
Turning on the headlights first will 'absorb' any spike when connecting a battery in parallel prior to jump starting a vehicle.
No, it won't.
Batteries can supply many hundreds of Amps for brief instants which can
cause spikes of tens of thousants of Volts. A simple resistor (lamps) accross them will do nothing to protect either car.
Otherwise all of the above would be a complete waste of time and energy.
V9977, WRONG!............Check out the article below.
Start the engine in the vehicle with the good battery. Let it idle for a few moments before turning on the headlights in the vehicle with the dead battery. Turning on the lights will absorb any voltage spikes that can cause damage to a vehicle's computer. Then you can start the engine of the car with the dead battery. Once the engine is started, carefully remove the cables in reverse order, not allowing the clamps to touch.
Sorry, that is simply another total mis-information found in the web. Switching-on headlamps will NOT magicaly absorb any spikes no matter where it says it.
Just because it's in some article it doesn't mean its true.
Obviously its up to you to decide if what you read (including this thread) is fact or fairy-tale, and do as you see best.
#15: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: panason1c, Location: SomersetPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:27 am ----
V9977 wrote:
panason1c wrote:
V9977 wrote:
panason1c wrote:
Turning on the headlights first will 'absorb' any spike when connecting a battery in parallel prior to jump starting a vehicle.
No, it won't.
Batteries can supply many hundreds of Amps for brief instants which can
cause spikes of tens of thousants of Volts. A simple resistor (lamps) accross them will do nothing to protect either car.
Otherwise all of the above would be a complete waste of time and energy.
V9977, WRONG!............Check out the article below.
Start the engine in the vehicle with the good battery. Let it idle for a few moments before turning on the headlights in the vehicle with the dead battery. Turning on the lights will absorb any voltage spikes that can cause damage to a vehicle's computer. Then you can start the engine of the car with the dead battery. Once the engine is started, carefully remove the cables in reverse order, not allowing the clamps to touch.
Sorry, that is simply another total mis-information found in the web. Switching-on headlamps will NOT magicaly absorb any spikes no matter where it says it.
Just because it's in some article it doesn't mean its true.
Obviously its up to you to decide if what you read (including this thread) is fact or fairy-tale, and do as you see best.
Common sense, added to logic tells me that switching on lights (plus heater blower motor, heated rear screen, etc) will absorb any voltage 'spike' rather than without the ancilliaries switched on and the full force of the spike surging thru the engine management electronics/ecu causing them to fry.
I therefore prefer to believe the contents of the article rather than your opinion.
#16: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: smiddies, Location: BrightonPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:36 am ---- Sorry when undoing a battery - Naughty People Pick Noses!! (1st Negative 2nd Positive - 1st Positive 2nd Negative)
#17: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:36 am ----
V9977 wrote:
Lee wrote:
The step before that is wrong as well, as you should always disconnect the earth first, not the positive
Sure, that's what Haynes says for decades but why do you think the quick release is on the positive?
Negative-first is a throwback from the days before quick-release posts where standard, so that people
with spanners would not inadvertadly touch the chassis while trying to undo the positive, causing a short.
It also serves as a quick means of disconnecting the battery incase of an emergency (eg crash).
And what happens if you drop something metal like a spanner that touches the head of the engine and the positive pole?
#18: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: panason1c, Location: SomersetPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:40 am ----
LeeThr wrote:
V9977 wrote:
Lee wrote:
The step before that is wrong as well, as you should always disconnect the earth first, not the positive
Sure, that's what Haynes says for decades but why do you think the quick release is on the positive?
Negative-first is a throwback from the days before quick-release posts where standard, so that people
with spanners would not inadvertadly touch the chassis while trying to undo the positive, causing a short.
It also serves as a quick means of disconnecting the battery incase of an emergency (eg crash).
And what happens if you drop something metal like a spanner that touches the head of the engine and the positive pole?
Exactly!.........always disconnect neg first ............
lots of flaws in your posts V9977.............
#19: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:43 am ---- Me thinks somebody's been given a Fisher Price "My First Tool Kit" and now thinks he is the god of all Mechanics
#20: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Wed May 04, 2011 5:37 am ----
panason1c wrote:
I therefore prefer to believe the contents of the article rather than your opinion.
OK, best of luck.
LeeThr wrote:
Me thinks somebody's been given a Fisher Price "My First Tool Kit" and now thinks he is the god of all Mechanics
Haven't you got some homework to be doing or something..
#21: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:18 am ----
V9977 wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
Me thinks somebody's been given a Fisher Price "My First Tool Kit" and now thinks he is the god of all Mechanics
Haven't you got some homework to be doing or something..
No.. but I think you have on the subject of jump starting 206's
#22: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:30 am ----
LeeThr wrote:
No.. but I think you have on the subject of jump starting 206's
#23: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:59 am ----
V9977 wrote:
why do you think the quick release is on the positive?
PSA Peugeot / Citroen put at least one quick release terminal on so if the electrical system decides to BBQ itself ( something the 206 isnt know for but other PSA products where ) you can isolate the battery quickly.
Some other PSA products have a quick release on BOTH battery terminals.
#24: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:05 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
V9977 wrote:
why do you think the quick release is on the positive?
PSA Peugeot / Citroen put at least one quick release terminal on so if the electrical system decides to BBQ itself ( something the 206 isnt know for but other PSA products where ) you can isolate the battery quickly.
Some other PSA products have a quick release on BOTH battery terminals.
Most new vehicles are fitted with it not just Pugs, for the reasons I explained.
And yes some have it on both poles, again for the same reasons.
#25: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:12 am ----
LeeThr wrote:
And what happens if you drop something metal like a spanner that touches the head of the engine and the positive pole?
You risk blowing the battery up & getting showered with acid
Negative terminal should always be disconnected FIRST & reconnected LAST
Not that you need to disconnect anything to jump start a 206
Positive earth classic car, doubt anyone on here would ever be working on one
#26: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:15 am ----
V9977 wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
V9977 wrote:
why do you think the quick release is on the positive?
PSA Peugeot / Citroen put at least one quick release terminal on so if the electrical system decides to BBQ itself ( something the 206 isnt know for but other PSA products where ) you can isolate the battery quickly.
Some other PSA products have a quick release on BOTH battery terminals.
Most new vehicles are fitted with it not just Pugs, for the reasons I explained.
And yes some have it on both poles, again for the same reasons.
#27: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:25 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
And what happens if you drop something metal like a spanner that touches the head of the engine and the positive pole?
You risk blowing the battery up & getting showered with acid
Negative terminal should always be disconnected FIRST & reconnected LAST
Not that you need to disconnect anything to jump start a 206
Positive earth classic car, doubt anyone on here would ever be working on one
You drop a spanner anywhere near the battery poles and you're sorted, negative first OR last.
And who said anything about positive earth? This is a 206 forum last time I checked.
#28: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: usher, Location: northallertonPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:33 am ---- what happened to just wacking some jump leads on starting the engine and setting off
think its all a bit too technical tbh
never had any trouble and have been jumped a few times lately with the car been stood
#29: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:36 am ----
usher wrote:
what happened to just wacking some jump leads on starting the engine and setting off
think its all a bit too technical tbh
never had any trouble and have been jumped a few times lately with the car been stood
Yours is non plexed, its unlikely to spit the dummy during a jump start attempt ( can happen buts it very rare they even do )
#30: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: usher, Location: northallertonPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:39 am ---- knew there was more than one reason to get a non plexed 206
#31: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: MrBSI, Location: What's it to you? ? ?Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:43 am ----
usher wrote:
knew there was more than one reason to get a non plexed 206
Multiplexed 206's are fine, its people dicking about with the electrical system not knowing what there dealing with that causes all the problems
#32: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: LeeThr, Location: North West WalesPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:12 am ----
V9977 wrote:
LeeThr wrote:
No.. but I think you have on the subject of jump starting 206's
I've got a pair thank you very much!
And what the hell has that video got to do with jump starting a 206?
#33: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:24 am ---- In case you missed it twice:
V9977 wrote:
MrBSI wrote:
V9977 wrote:
why do you think the quick release is on the positive?
PSA Peugeot / Citroen put at least one quick release terminal on so if the electrical system decides to BBQ itself ( something the 206 isnt know for but other PSA products where ) you can isolate the battery quickly.
Some other PSA products have a quick release on BOTH battery terminals.
Most new vehicles are fitted with it not just Pugs, for the reasons I explained.
And yes some have it on both poles, again for the same reasons.
LeeThr wrote:
I haven't got a pair!
And what the hell has that video got to do with jump starting a 206?
Do your homework.
#34: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:33 am ----
MrBSI wrote:
Yours is non plexed, its unlikely to spit the dummy during a jump start attempt
With a user-name like that, it's the last thing you should be telling people..
Shame.
I have agreed with alot of your helpfull posts and have even stood corrected, however not everyone knows everything (yes, including me).
#35: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: mattievrs, Location: LeicesterPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:45 am ---- Ive just had to jump my car as battery was flat. Ive followed the steps from your first post V9977 and i now have a fried BSI and a knackered ECU! Ill get the cost up asap so you can send me a cheque to cover it as you havent put a disclaimer in your "advice". Thanks a f*****g bunch pal.
#36: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: Seabook, Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:50 am ----
mattievrs wrote:
Ive just had to jump my car as battery was flat. Ive followed the steps from your first post V9977 and i now have a fried BSI and a knackered ECU! Ill get the cost up asap so you can send me a cheque to cover it as you havent put a disclaimer in your "advice". Thanks a f*****g bunch pal.
If you want to minimise the chances of this type of damage, follow this procedure (at your own risk),
#37: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:50 am ----
V9977 wrote:
..., follow this procedure (at your own risk),
always bearing in-mind that car batteries can cause serious physical injury or damage to you or your vehicle if not treated with utmost respect.
That is a quick diagnosis there too, why is it I think you are just taking the pi$$?
I doubt you've even read the first post let alone followed the steps in it.
#38: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: mattievrs, Location: LeicesterPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:09 am ---- Is this you checking a flat battery?
#39: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: V9977, Location: Athens, GreecePosted: Wed May 04, 2011 11:12 am ----
mattievrs wrote:
Is this you checking a flat battery?
OK, send me a paypal invoice right-away.
#40: Re: Jump-starting a 206 Author: Steve206, Location: UKPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:51 am ---- Ive always just jumped mine using leads, never had a problem (2004 GTi). If I did I certainly wouldn't come on here crying about it. People need to use there heads.
V9977 tried to post a bit of advice and got slated for it.
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